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Cortiz 04-02-2019 11:07 AM

Sony UBP-X1100ES Anticipation Thread
 
New Sony ES is coming! Looks like the old X100ES but with DV added.

https://www.sony.com/electronics/blu...rs/ubp-x1100es

IIDexII 04-02-2019 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cortiz (Post 57843496)
New Sony ES is coming! Looks like the old X100ES but with DV added.



https://www.sony.com/electronics/blu...rs/ubp-x1100es

Looks nice, on my wanted list..

charles0424 04-02-2019 01:14 PM

So the ONLY difference between this and the 1000 is added Dolby vision? Any chance sony listened to us and added a bit more memory to the unit so most of us can ditch the stupid thumdrive inserted in the USB. Hope they fixed the disc freezing bug that some people have had with the 1000.

aaronwt 04-04-2019 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by charles0424 (Post 57844258)
So the ONLY difference between this and the 1000 is added Dolby vision? Any chance sony listened to us and added a bit more memory to the unit so most of us can ditch the stupid thumdrive inserted in the USB.....

That would be nice but probably not likely. Sony got away from having on board storage for BD-Live years ago.

IIDexII 04-04-2019 05:11 PM

Hybrid Log Gamma is meantioned...

Transistorious 04-04-2019 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charles0424 (Post 57844258)
So the ONLY difference between this and the 1000 is added Dolby vision? Any chance sony listened to us and added a bit more memory to the unit so most of us can ditch the stupid thumdrive inserted in the USB. Hope they fixed the disc freezing bug that some people have had with the 1000.

Pardonnez-moi? What is your objection to the "stupid thumdrive?"
Thanks

Dianabol5mg 04-04-2019 08:22 PM

It doesnt say the kind of chip they are using for video. Im wondering if this thing can rival the Panasonics, Oppos, and new Pioneers. It looks like it has the audio portion down.

Cortiz 04-05-2019 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by aaronwt (Post 57855706)
That would be nice but probably not likely. Sony got away from having on board storage for BD-Live years ago.

For an ES model at a premium price, the least they can do is add another USB port in the back. I hated it when they removed that 2nd port. I don't like having an USB drive inserted in the front.

IIDexII 04-05-2019 09:07 AM

I agree, but for music and harddrive it's convenient.

Bud BD live?

Not so much? What is the point with Live anyway?

I don't see the point? Extras and so on?

I think we get enough of the extras on disc.

aaronwt 04-05-2019 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IIDexII (Post 57856230)
Hybrid Log Gamma is meantioned...

My Sony X800 supported HLG HDR back in 2017. No surprise their 2019 players would also support it.

IIDexII 04-05-2019 09:30 AM

It's the Stereo Dac, Dolby Vision and build then?

Cortiz 04-05-2019 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by IIDexII (Post 57859168)
It's the Stereo Dac, Dolby Vision and build then?

Better connections on the back, a front display and 3 years warranty.

audiomanz 04-05-2019 08:20 PM

I too hope Auto DV is on this player. Fingers crossed it is, cause I like Sony 4K blu ray players. I have the X800 and it looks great and I only had one disk that froze but other than that they all played fine. If not, then maybe I would go for the X800M2 cause it would most likely be the same thing in terms of manually switching on DV.

audiomanz

glangford 04-06-2019 05:02 AM

I'd like to know what DAC they use for two channel audio. My use of a player like this would be the two channel out to a headphone amp, HDMI to my Anthem, primarily for music, with the occasional weekend movie.

Panson 04-09-2019 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by glangford (Post 57862936)
I'd like to know what DAC they use for two channel audio. My use of a player like this would be the two channel out to a headphone amp, HDMI to my Anthem, primarily for music, with the occasional weekend movie.

So far, drip by drip UBP-X1100ES marketing only reveals this.

Audio Digital-to-Analog ConverterPCM 192kHz / 24bit, DSD 2.8M (DSD 5.6M → PCM 176kHz / 24bit)

https://pro.sony/en_GB/products/othe...es/ubp-x1100es

IIDexII 04-09-2019 09:06 AM

Found the chipset ön UHP-H1 and 1000.... Under The hood pictures.

It's a bit early to peek, but 1000 and 800 is on YouTube...

priitv8 04-09-2019 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by IIDexII (Post 57876724)
Found the chipset ön UHP-H1 and 1000.... Under The hood pictures.

Do you also see the chip designation on those?
Tried on YT video, but the heatsink was still on.

IIDexII 04-10-2019 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by priitv8 (Post 57880302)
Do you also see the chip designation on those?

Tried on YT video, but the heatsink was still on.

The chip is named and numbered on YouTube. Sorry I don't remember where or what it was...

Only thing I remember is that it was a nice chipset. I don't know how well it's implemented but I'm pleased with the one I've got in UHP-H1.

IIDexII 04-10-2019 02:48 AM

The one in my UHP-H1 is DAC is AKM4452

https://www.akm.com/akm/en/product/d...artno=AK4452VN

Google is my friend.

I don't know what's inside 1000 or 1100


But I think 1000 is able to find on Google.

I found mine in 15 seconds...

glangford 04-10-2019 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panson (Post 57876596)
So far, drip by drip UBP-X1100ES marketing only reveals this.

Audio Digital-to-Analog ConverterPCM 192kHz / 24bit, DSD 2.8M (DSD 5.6M → PCM 176kHz / 24bit)

https://pro.sony/en_GB/products/othe...es/ubp-x1100es

Also found this in the link:

High-Resolution Audio takes your listening experience beyond MP3 files and even CD quality – letting you hear every breath, every note and every drumbeat. The player's 32-bit DAC is compatible with native DSD (at up to 11.2 MHz) and LPCM (at up to 192kHz) Hi-Res music files in a range of different formats.

So at least they put a 32 bit dac in. I'd still like to know what dac. 32 bit dacs are a dime a dozen almost now.

priitv8 04-10-2019 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by IIDexII (Post 57880576)
The one in my UHP-H1 is DAC is AKM4452
But I think 1000 is able to find on Google.
I found mine in 15 seconds...

Alright! I was thinking about the video processor, not the DAC. That's the biggest chip covered with a heatsink.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4601/2...76b7a052_z.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by glangford (Post 57880578)
So at least they put a 32 bit dac in. I'd still like to know what dac. 32 bit dacs are a dime a dozen almost now.

I think these are only relevant for the analog stereo RCA output on the UBP itself. If I use HDMI, then I use DAC-s in my AVR and these 2 DACs are not in the playback chain.

IIDexII 04-11-2019 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by priitv8 (Post 57885178)
Alright! I was thinking about the video processor, not the DAC. That's the biggest chip covered with a heatsink.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4601/2...76b7a052_z.jpg

I think these are only relevant for the analog stereo RCA output on the UBP itself. If I use HDMI, then I use DAC-s in my AVR and these 2 DACs are not in the playback chain.

Of course, it's the analogue Dac we talk about..

glangford 04-11-2019 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by priitv8 (Post 57885178)
Alright! I was thinking about the video processor, not the DAC. That's the biggest chip covered with a heatsink.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4601/2...76b7a052_z.jpg
I think these are only relevant for the analog stereo RCA output on the UBP itself. If I use HDMI, then I use DAC-s in my AVR and these 2 DACs are not in the playback chain.

Of course it's only the analog RCAs. I thought I was clear in my earlier post that I would use those for my headphone amp.

IIDexII 04-11-2019 08:20 AM

The new Sony's is brilliant on Sacd... That is not the Dac but the sound DSD is amazing...

I think it's a DSD chip in there tho, because My Yamaha Dac is not the best today.

But SACD sound is insane good from Sony.

priitv8 04-11-2019 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IIDexII (Post 57886288)
The new Sony's is brilliant on Sacd... That is not the Dac but the sound DSD is amazing...

I think it's a DSD chip in there tho, because My Yamaha Dac is not the best today.

But SACD sound is insane good from Sony.

I also listen to SACD-s, but I do not use the UBP for that. I rather play them from a hard disc and for that, I use the same function on AVR directly, not via UBP and HDMI.
I also have to admit, I usually prefer multichannel mixes over the stereo mixes.

IIDexII 04-12-2019 10:58 AM

I also have some 5.1 mixes from 2L on hardisk. It's nice but not great.

But I prefer the Cd SACDs sound why I don't know...

Must add that I don't have alot of multichannel on Hardisk...

But some, and 2L should sound great...

tomvinelli 04-13-2019 09:18 AM

Dolby vision
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IIDexII (Post 57859168)
It's the Stereo Dac, Dolby Vision and build then?

So tell me how are you or anybody seeing DV? Do you have a 12 bit panel? Oh right nobody does. Besides the active metadata how are you seeing DV?. See I believe Dv is a hoax because DV is 12 bit tech , our tv panels are 10 bit. So what I think were really seeing is HDR 10+ under the Dolby Vision logo. Doesn't the (10) in HDR10 stand for 10 bit? Or can it be something else .I know one thing you can't possibly say your watching true Dolby Vision without a 12 bit panel. If i'm right were getting duped again. If you a, b a movie in HDR10 and Dolby Vision I don't see a difference. Please prove me wrong with real facts, not some propaganda from this site or others that take money from manufacturers to promote this hoax.

aaronwt 04-13-2019 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomvinelli (Post 57896176)
So tell me how are you or anybody seeing DV? Do you have a 12 bit panel? Oh right nobody does. Besides the active metadata how are you seeing DV?. See I believe Dv is a hoax because DV is 12 bit tech , our tv panels are 10 bit. So what I think were really seeing is HDR 10+ under the Dolby Vision logo. Doesn't the (10) in HDR10 stand for 10 bit? Or can it be something else .I know one thing you can't possibly say your watching true Dolby Vision without a 12 bit panel. If i'm right were getting duped again. If you a, b a movie in HDR10 and Dolby Vision I don't see a difference. Please prove me wrong with real facts, not some propaganda from this site or others that take money from manufacturers to promote this hoax.

??? Normal DV is sent as 8 bit RGB. And the extra bitdepth info is sent with it.

IIDexII 04-13-2019 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomvinelli (Post 57896176)
So tell me how are you or anybody seeing DV? Do you have a 12 bit panel? Oh right nobody does. Besides the active metadata how are you seeing DV?. See I believe Dv is a hoax because DV is 12 bit tech , our tv panels are 10 bit. So what I think were really seeing is HDR 10+ under the Dolby Vision logo. Doesn't the (10) in HDR10 stand for 10 bit? Or can it be something else .I know one thing you can't possibly say your watching true Dolby Vision without a 12 bit panel. If i'm right were getting duped again. If you a, b a movie in HDR10 and Dolby Vision I don't see a difference. Please prove me wrong with real facts, not some propaganda from this site or others that take money from manufacturers to promote this hoax.

I don't have or plan to buy a DV screen, but nobody knows..

The reason is that DV screens is expensive.. and I wait to see what format wins.

I can only point to comments from mods and calibrators that I respect on AVforums.

For TV and projectors DV in theyr opinion is a clear advantage in brightness, contrast, colour and detail compared to 4k and HDR10+.

But that doesn't mean that DV will win...

The trend is that 10+ is most available on screens today....

Maybe they can co exist?


In HD dvd and Bluray Sony was the reason with their PlayStation with bluray who made bluray win the war.

I guess that the streamers is the reason today and Netflix is big on DV now..

Maybe Dolby Vision wins the war?

aaronwt 04-13-2019 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panson (Post 57897018)
Good points. Nits is another where HDR10 and DV are currently in the same ballpark. Any DV advantage is largely theoretical for consumers, since equipment doesn't exist. The ceiling AFAIK for both is set at 4000 Nits. Please update the following thread if 4000 Nit TVs are now available for consumers.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...00-nit-tv.html


The Samsung 8K set is 4000 nits, for the 75" version. The 65" version is 3000 nits. They were released last year.

Plus doesn't Vizio have a 4000 nits TV coming out later this year?


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