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post #301 of 537 Old 07-19-2019, 01:13 AM
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That screenshot shows clearly that the Sony implementation for the MKV container doesn't support DTS. DTS is only supported in m2ts and mpg.

There's a good post in the X700 Owners thread (from memory) that explains why, it's Sony adhering strictly to the specification and many MKV tools don't (i.e. they don't require the DTS core to be included in their DTS-HD encoding), so how can the player decode something that isn't there?. Off topic, but people "creating" the content need to get it right, and the best way to do that if you want DTS or DTS-HD is to put it in a M2TS container.
Thanks for your reply.
Now I am confused more then earlier.
I've send a message to one of the guys who tested X800m2 on YT and... He told me that these files are working without problem. Now question is simple - believe him or not.

Here, priitv8 said that on X700 and X800 these files were working and I've checked that. For all free models ( x700, x800 and x800m2 ) maual looks the same ! No information about MKV with DTS.
So again - It would be nice to have a comment from someone who have X800m2 because for now it is just discusion simmilar to " to be or not to be ".
I would be very thankful for any facts especially from users of X800m2 .
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That screenshot shows clearly that the Sony implementation for the MKV container doesn't support DTS. DTS is only supported in m2ts and mpg.
That is simply not true. You must be confusing DTS with Dolby Atmos. This is something Sony does not play from MKV (neither TrueHD nor DD+ flavor of it), only m2ts.
There is no issue with any flavor of DTS in MKV container.
That screenshot is from my x700. If you look at the table on pg30 in its manual, it looks no different from the one posted above:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup.../46984061M.pdf
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That is simply not true. You must be confusing DTS with Dolby Atmos. This is something Sony does not play from MKV (neither TrueHD nor DD+ flavor of it), only m2ts.
There is no issue with any flavor of DTS in MKV container.
That screenshot is from my x700. If you look at the table on pg30 in its manual, it looks no different from the one posted above:
priitv8 thanks for that screen. It gives me hope that ,as you said ealier, X800 and latest X800m2 will support it , also for 5.1 DTS.
I've called to the local store and they have X800m2 on exposition and they told me that I can bring USB with samples .
So I will take 1minute samples for DTS 5.1 / 7.1 and TrueHD and then all will be clear .
I will try to make some photos of screen information just like you did to show the results. It will help others in the future .
Once more thanks for help mate
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That is simply not true. You must be confusing DTS with Dolby Atmos. This is something Sony does not play from MKV (neither TrueHD nor DD+ flavor of it), only m2ts.
There is no issue with any flavor of DTS in MKV container.
That screenshot is from my x700. If you look at the table on pg30 in its manual, it looks no different from the one posted above:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup.../46984061M.pdf
You're absolutely right - many apologies. I went home and tested many DTS 5.1, DTS HD MA 5.1/7.1 files and they played the audio correctly. The dolby TrueHD didn't play any sound. I was thinking of the TrueHD not playing not DTS.

So if the X800M2 shares the same core code as the X700, then the DTS carrying MKV files should play. The table from the manual is incorrect.

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priitv8 thanks for that screen. It gives me hope that ,as you said ealier, X800 and latest X800m2 will support it , also for 5.1 DTS.
Prior to my current X700 I owned the X800 and on the file format handling front they behave exactly the same.
Apart from x800 not supporting Dolby Vision (x700 plays profile 7 only from optical disc, profile 5 also from USB/DLNA) and x700 not supporting DVD-A (although my x800 refused to play self-burned DVD-A discs).
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You're absolutely right - many apologies. I went home and tested many DTS 5.1, DTS HD MA 5.1/7.1 files and they played the audio correctly. The dolby TrueHD didn't play any sound. I was thinking of the TrueHD not playing not DTS.

So if the X800M2 shares the same core code as the X700, then the DTS carrying MKV files should play. The table from the manual is incorrect.
No problem. Anyone could make a mistake .
But now
I have a final result for X800m2 !!!
Tested files : TrueHD 7.1 , DTS HD/ 5.1 / 7.1
2160p and 1080p
and ....
...
ALL WORKS ! I made photos in Sony Store .
So I think I made my decision and I am buying it
For all of you who responded to my question . - big THANK YOU and have a nice day
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I have a final result for X800m2 !!!
Tested files : TrueHD 7.1 , DTS HD/ 5.1 / 7.1
Awesome! Were they both MKV files that you captured on your pics?
First observation: looks like 800M2 also has this extended bitstream info on its HUD. I thought this was reserved for the X1100ES only.

Second observation: the TrueHD/MLP playback seems to output LPCM 5.1 to HDMI, still (meaning : decoded inside the UBP and not in the AVR). I assume that's what the bottom line tries to say.
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Awesome! Were they both MKV files that you captured on your pics?
First observation: looks like 800M2 also has this extended bitstream info on its HUD. I thought this was reserved for the

Second observation: the TrueHD/MLP playback seems to output LPCM 5.1 to HDMI, still (meaning : decoded inside the UBP and not in the AVR). I assume that's what the bottom line tries to say.
All files were MKV .
Maybe I'll clarify :
-X800m2 was connected just to SONY BRAVIA with a simple HDMI cable . So we didn't have AVR.
-I had about 6 files (2x True HD and rest of them were with DTS HD/5.1/7.1)
-We couldn't turn on HUD during playing so I had to make fast photo at the beginning xD I will figure it out when I will buy it
-Few files had not only 1 audio track .Probably that is why on screen you can see 7.1 and below 5.1 . For me it shows all the audio tracks possible to play - but I can be wrong because I do not know this device.
BTW X800m2 looks very simple in usage and I do not care that it has only 3 aps . Guy from the store said that it works the best with new Sony OLED TV especially for Dolby Vision because ,as I understand, both devices are communicate and DV is turning on itself . Is it true - I don't know but it sounds reasonable.
I think it is all I can write for now .
I will be able to write more when it will be in my house .
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All files were MKV .
Guy from the store said that it works the best with new Sony OLED TV especially for Dolby Vision because ,as I understand, both devices are communicate and DV is turning on itself . Is it true - I don't know but it sounds reasonable.

The store guy was both right and wrong, the 800m2 will take advantage of Bravia Sync (Sony flavor of ARC/CEC) to communicate with the TV on sending the best signal to your TV, BIG BUT unless your store guy is aware of some super secret squirrel level firmware upgrade the 800m2 will NOT automatically switch in and out of DV, Sony hasn't figured that out yet. Could there someday be a firmware upgrade to enable this, sure but don't count on it. Sony does things its own way.


BTW I love my 800m1, just saying the store guy is wrong about auto-detecting DV, lots of complaints upthread about this.
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Cheddarhead Thanks for the information.
As I said - I do not know this device. I shared what I heard from this guy. You know how it is - each company has good and bad sides of their products
Honestly.
For me, manual switching is not a problem.It is just few seconds not 1h.
For now I do not really need a DV, because my TV is only 4k without HDR hahah xD
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Sony hasn't figured that out yet. Could there someday be a firmware upgrade to enable this, sure but don't count on it. Sony does things its own way.
There must be something else than Sony’s incapability to figure this simple thing out.
I wish I knew what that is.
Could it be related to Sony’s in-player mixing of the DV?
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There must be something else than Sony’s incapability to figure this simple thing out.
I wish I knew what that is.
Could it be related to Sony’s in-player mixing of the DV?
I doubt it, other players that display DV on Sony Tv's are capable of auto-switching. Just Sony doing it their own way.
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Anyone know if this one has lipsync/audio sync issues that the UBPX800 v1 had? I had the UBPX800, and the audio would go out of sync when playing a bluray about an hour into the movie.

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Awesome! Were they both MKV files that you captured on your pics?
First observation: looks like 800M2 also has this extended bitstream info on its HUD. I thought this was reserved for the X1100ES only.

Second observation: the TrueHD/MLP playback seems to output LPCM 5.1 to HDMI, still (meaning : decoded inside the UBP and not in the AVR). I assume that's what the bottom line tries to say.

Greetings priitv8.
Is there a reason why the HDMI output is limited to 4.2.2 instead of 4.4.4 for 24p contents?
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Is there a reason why the HDMI output is limited to 4.2.2 instead of 4.4.4 for 24p contents?
I have no idea. I stole that photo from the linked review.
Must be something with the capabilities of the display.
They mention that the player usually auto-adjusts according to the EDID the sink sends.
PS I was told the X1100ES would be available to me only in september.
Apparently Sony has difficulties with the deliveries of the product.
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Thinking of getting a M2, so hoping it's not the player's limitation.
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I doubt it, other players that display DV on Sony Tv's are capable of auto-switching. Just Sony doing it their own way.
Yes. Just like Sony only outputting DD from Netflix instead of DD+. Even though other apps will output DD+. Sony has always made some weird decisions with their UHD BD players.

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Thinking of getting a M2, so hoping it's not the player's limitation.
Checked with my X700 - not a player limitation:
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Thanks priitv8. I see that you have a HDfury.

1. Can you also kindly check if it can handle 4.2.2/12bits @60p ,
2. What the fury detects when x700 plays SDR/bt709 contents (not in mkv) with DV toggle on.
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I just picked this up to replace a moody Xbox1S. This is night and day better. Loads much faster, several movies that had “hiccups” on the Xbox play all the way through on the Sony. Picture details are crisper on the Sony as well. I’ve watched Jurassic Park at least a hundred times since it’s theater debut in 1993, and watching it on the Sony in 4K I was noticing NEW subtle details I never noticed before. Really great. This weekend, I plan to have a movie marathon of different movies...
My plans are to watch It, Last Jedi, and black Panther. Any others a “much watch”?
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Forgive my ignorance, but I’ve been out of the home theater loop since 2003. I’ve recently got a Sony atmos receiver, a hisense 55” DV 4K tv, and picked up a ton of 4K rated hdmi cables. Near as I can tell, my 800m2 is as close to lifelike as I can get on the screen. Playing from disc blows away Netflix or Vudu 4K. I keep seeing comments about manual DV enabling. What happens if you don’t disable the DV? Is it a super noticeable difference, or is it mostly something for the 1% videophiles that demand perfection? I’ve put in a few discs, but haven’t noticed any issues between discs of movies from similar eras.

The TLDR is, what is reason to not just leave DV on?
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Thanks priitv8. I see that you have a HDfury.

1. Can you also kindly check if it can handle 4.2.2/12bits @60p ,
2. What the fury detects when x700 plays SDR/bt709 contents (not in mkv) with DV toggle on.
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it should support 422 at 12 bits. There are only two HDMI options for 2160P60 output and 12 bit. 422 or 420. And the previous Sony players had no problem with 422 with 12 bit at 2160P60.

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does anyone know what TCP port the x800 M2 listens on?
Madhuski, did you get an answer to this? I am trying to control mine using JBWORKS IP driver, but can't get it to work. I believe it worked with the old x800 and with the x1100ES, so it is odd that it is now broken on this model.
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Ok Guys .
1st day with X800m2
and....
- Old series like M.A.S.H or Norther Exposure ( if you know them ) looks amazing ( DVD )
- All mkv files with DTS 5.1 /7.1 or DD /DD+ are working BUT!!! they are decoded like 2.0 sound. I have old Harman Kardon AVR so sound from Blue may not be decoded corectly by AVR.
After few hours with this player I can say one thing - It is amazing.
If I will have any other news I will write them ASAP .
Ahh one more thing .
- 6 TB Seagate HDD with own power supply works . It needs a while to load all files but there is no error or something .
All subs ( srt ) works correctly .

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1. Can you also kindly check if it can handle 4.2.2/12bits @60p ,
2. What the fury detects when x700 plays SDR/bt709 contents (not in mkv) with DV toggle on.
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1. Yes, 4:2:2 is there @60Hz.
2. This one’s more interesting. With DV=On you not only get DV at 12 bits per pixel. You also get 60fps framreate 😄
PS do not use any other visuals for comparison! They are all exposure/contrast adjusted on my smartphone, so highly non-consistent.
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1. Yes, 4:2:2 is there @60Hz.
2. This one’s more interesting. With DV=On you not only get DV at 12 bits per pixel. You also get 60fps framreate 😄
PS do not use any other visuals for comparison! They are all exposure/contrast adjusted on my smartphone, so highly non-consistent.
That's only because of the unusual DV format that Sony uses. Other DV TVs get sent 8 bit RGB from the players for DV content. Then the extra info that takes it up to 12 bit is sent with the signal.

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That's only because of the unusual DV format that Sony uses. Other DV TVs get sent 8 bit RGB from the players for DV content. Then the extra info that takes it up to 12 bit is sent with the signal.
Yes, I've also read from other sources, that DV is sent over HDMI as 8-bit signal. So, the new "Sony" format expects the full signal prepared by the player, not in the display.
Is framerate upscale to 60fps also part of the scheme? I fail to see, how or why is this modification needed.
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1. Yes, 4:2:2 is there @60Hz.
2. This one’s more interesting. With DV=On you not only get DV at 12 bits per pixel. You also get 60fps framreate 😄
PS do not use any other visuals for comparison! They are all exposure/contrast adjusted on my smartphone, so highly non-consistent.
Thanks for the kind reply, priitv8.
1. Would you happen to be using the M2, as my x700 leaves the frame rate unchanged when upscaling. Does this happen only when DV is turned on? What about 25p and 30p contents?
2. I don't have any experience with HDfury, so appreciate if you could help with interpreting the the screen cap. In the 2nd and 3rd picture, it seems the M2 is sending out EOTF flag=DV when it is turned on, and nothing when it is off. Is that correct?
3. In the 1st picture, it seems a standard PQ clip is being played with DV off. So the EOTF flag = HDR. Is that correct? If so, would the EOTF flag change to DV when it is turned on?
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- All mkv files with DTS 5.1 /7.1 or DD /DD+ are working BUT!!! they are decoded like 2.0 sound. I have old Harman Kardon AVR so sound from Blue may not be decoded corectly by AVR.
The MKV files with TrueHD I have tried are decoded like 2.0 sound, but DTS-HD files are decoded properly. I have a 2018 Pioneer VSX-LX503.

M2TS files work fine with TrueHD or DTS-HD.
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Subtitle shift function?

guys, does sony x800m2 have subtitle shift function?
I live in Brazil and would like to buy this player
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