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post #661 of 690 Old 01-09-2020, 03:35 PM
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How does this player compare to the X700 ? Is it worth the extra money ?


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The general specs are the same, but the 800 has better build quality. Worth it? It was to me, YMMV

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for the price difference i paid over black friday , it was certainly worth the build quality upgrade. one notable thing i read (but never compared/experienced firsthand) is the 800m2 has better thermal dissipation characteristics. there were reports that the x700 runs fairly warm and that may explain why people ran into freezing issues a few months into ownership. this is all anecdotal, but my 800m2 runs cool after 2 hour movie. (noting i leave it on an open rack where it has significant space between it and the the shelf above it.)

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I own a few X800M2 players but have no experience with the X700. From the Crutchfield comparison they spec out pretty similar.
In addition to what's listed at cruchfield, X800M2 has Bluetooth, 5GHz Wi-Fi (X700 has 2.4GHz only), and a more informative 2-line HUD (top line: incoming signal from media, bottom line: signal format output to HDMI): https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-b...l#post58318128

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for the price difference i paid over black friday , it was certainly worth the build quality upgrade. one notable thing i read (but never compared/experienced firsthand) is the 800m2 has better thermal dissipation characteristics. there were reports that the x700 runs fairly warm and that may explain why people ran into freezing issues a few months into ownership. this is all anecdotal, but my 800m2 runs cool after 2 hour movie. (noting i leave it on an open rack where it has significant space between it and the the shelf above it.)
My X700 is toasty warm after a ~2hr movie and would freeze before I got better ventilation via increased spacing between components.
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for the price difference i paid over black friday , it was certainly worth the build quality upgrade. one notable thing i read (but never compared/experienced firsthand) is the 800m2 has better thermal dissipation characteristics. there were reports that the x700 runs fairly warm and that may explain why people ran into freezing issues a few months into ownership. this is all anecdotal, but my 800m2 runs cool after 2 hour movie. (noting i leave it on an open rack where it has significant space between it and the the shelf above it.)
I never bothered using my X700, the M2 is just a nicer device to use. Not only the build and cleaner interface but some more on it spec wise, DVD-A etc...

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This confuses me. Doesn't this turn off DV and HDR capabilities on your LG?

EDIT: I get it -- you meant on the player, not the TV. Thanks. Did it and also turned 4k upscale to off because the upscaling on my LG is good.
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If you have an LG OLED tv, turn the HDMI Deep Color Output off! Throws off colors.
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Hi Everyone,

Just bought my x800m2 so I'm new to this thread. Everything with the x800m2 seems pretty nice. Implementation DV was a little cumbersome, but I knew that going into it so I'm okay with it. My issue, if anyone can help is that I have an older receiver which I've connected the audio only HDMI 2 to it. HDMI 1 goes straight to the TV. Audio to the receiver works just fine, however when I go to turn off the receiver, it doesn't go back to HDMI 1/TV. If I start with the TV and then turn the receiver on, it will play through the receiver, but not the other way around. I have the option set to auto, but it's not switching back. The only way I can get it to switch is manually change the audio to HDMI 1. Is there a fix? Do other people have the same issue? Thanks!
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Went from the Oppo 203 to the Panasonic ub820 (note: I'm not watching a lot of disc or listening to CD's). The ub820 is giving me nothing but troubles, so I'm getting the X800M2.

Does Bravia sync to my 900F has any advantages? Note that I'm running this through my Marantz AV8805 processor.
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Does Bravia sync to my 900F has any advantages? Note that I'm running this through my Marantz AV8805 processor.
Nothing more than std HDMI-CEC would give. Basically autostart at playback and power off in sync with tv.
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Hi there,
I am a 800M2 owner and I am looking for some help.
I have connected my Sony 4k to it using HDMI ARC and am able to get 3D working but I cannot get English 7.1 output.

I am only able to get Voice Description 5.1 output.
I cannot find any documentation on this issue.
Anybody come across how to fix this or am I being thick.
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And I’m having issues getting Dolby 5.1 out, only getting LPCM 2.0.
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And I’️m having issues getting Dolby 5.1 out, only getting LPCM 2.0.
Are you looking for multichannel sound output from your 4K TV? Or do you have AVR as well?
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And I’️m having issues getting Dolby 5.1 out, only getting LPCM 2.0.
Are you looking for multichannel sound output from your 4K TV? Or do you have AVR as well?
I have both. HDMI to TV, TV to AVR.
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I have both. HDMI to TV, TV to AVR.
So first thing I'd do is connect all signal sources to AVR and not the TV.
Does your TV-AVR setup support eARC? If not, then you are left with PCM2.0, DD5.1 and DTS5.1 only.
So you can only let UBP to downmix your high-channel-count soundtracks to Dolby ProLogic.
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I am trying to watch Gemini Man in 4K UHD Dolby Vision. I didn't realize the thing is 4K 60p Dollby Vision, but this is causing problems with my X800M2. The opening menu shows as 4K 24Hz DV, then when the movie actually starts, the X800M2 switches to 1080/60p Dolby Vision, but displays that the disk is outputting 4K/60p DV 4:2:0 10 bit. Nothing I have tried is able to get the thing to output in 4K on this title. I have manually switched the output to 4K, manually turned 24p off, I switched from auto to 422, tried auto as well, nothing, no dice. Is the X800M2 incapable of playing back 60p Dolby Vision content at 4K resolution? My PC can be set to 4K 60hz with 10 bit HDR, so I can't understand why the X800M2 cannot do this...starting to get agrivated. If I turn off DV but leave HDR to auto, it plays back in 4K/60p SDR 4:2:0 8 bit. :-|

And before anyone says anything, yes my TV is a Sony X900F with input set to enhanced, been watching and working with HDR and 4K and 10 bit for some tim enow, I even master my own 4K HDR content.

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Are you sure you're playing the 4K disc and not the regular 1080p Blu-ray?


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Obviously from the attached picture...it would seem the X800M2 cannot do 4K 60Hz 10 bit with 4:2:0...it may only be able to do 10 bit or 12 bit at 4:2:2, which excedes the bandwidth available for the HDMI 2.0b ports on the unit. Annoying, but 4K 60p movies, like Gemini Man, look so horrible, that in the end, 4K wouldn't have made me enjoy it any more...horrible movie by the way, 60p with video colors and video HDR look s like one of those demo reels on YouTube where they try to make everything look realer than real.

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Obviously from the attached picture...it would seem the X800M2 cannot do 4K 60Hz 10 bit with 4:2:0...it may only be able to do 10 bit or 12 bit at 4:2:2, which excedes the bandwidth available for the HDMI 2.0b ports on the unit. Annoying, but 4K 60p movies, like Gemini Man, look so horrible, that in the end, 4K wouldn't have made me enjoy it any more...horrible movie by the way, 60p with video colors and video HDR look s like one of those demo reels on YouTube where they try to make everything look realer than real.

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4K 60Hz Dolby Vision 4:2:0? Doesnt that require a high bitrate ? My understanding is that the transferrate is 13,37Gbps. Required HDMI-cable is one that is certified 18Gbps.. Are you sure your HDMI cable is all good?? Have you tried another cable?
community.cedia.net/blogs/david-meyer/2018/05/16/hdmi-data-rates-for-4k-hdr
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4K 60Hz Dolby Vision 4:2:0? Doesnt that require a high bitrate ? My understanding is that the transferrate is 13,37Gbps. Required HDMI-cable is one that is certified 18Gbps.. Are you sure your HDMI cable is all good?? Have you tried another cable?
community.cedia.net/blogs/david-meyer/2018/05/16/hdmi-data-rates-for-4k-hdr
There is nothing wrong with my cables, as you can see from the screenshot, the X800M2 SWITCHES to 1080p output, it will not even attempt to put out HDR and 4K 60p at the same time on this disk.

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Not able to split Audio and video to play SACD and DVD-Audio discs

For those who are interested in playing SACD and DVD-Audio discs as well as 4k UHD discs, this will either save you a lot of time or you can tell me that my x800M2 unit is defective.

I just purchased a new Samsung Q90R TV and the [email protected] player. I can only get the SACD and DVD-Audio discs to play by connecting the x800M2 to AVR ( Yamaha RX-A750) via the HDMI 1 port. The AVR and TV are connected via HDMI ARC ports. That works fine for both the audio discs and the 4k movies.

Unfortunately , this was my final solution rather than the first one I tried. Initially, I connected the x800M2 directly to the TV. UHD played fine but no SACD or DVD-Audio. I then split the audio and video signals by sending the Video to the TV via HDMI 1 and the audio to the AVR via HDMI 2. That worked ok for UHD discs but not for SACD and DVD-Audio. I spent hours trying EVERY combination of settings to make this work but to no avail. Surprisingly, I could get the SACD and DVD-Audio discs to work with this setup simply by unplugging the HDMI 1 cable( video) coming out of the x800M2 player. Of course there was no video, but the SACD and DVD-Audio then played fine. Is this a flaw in the hardware of the x800M2 player or do I have a defective player?

Based on my experience, in order to play SACD/DVD-Audio discs AND Video discs , you have to go through a receiver. Trying to split the video and audio signals so that just video goes to TV doesn't work for the SACD and DVD-Audio discs. You can play SACD abd DVD-Audio discs through the HDMI 2 port but only if you use the x800M2 as a stand-alone audio player.

Has anyone else been able to successfully play SACD and DVD-Audio discs by using the recommended( by Sony) 'splitting option' that sends video to TV via HDMI 1 and Audio to AVR via HDMI 2 port?





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I got my x800m2 Tuesday and installed it yesterday after moving my original x800 to the bedroom to go along with my DV-less Sony XBR-55X900E. The m2 is for my XBR-65X930E as it has Dolby Vision.



I played a bunch of 4K discs, YouTube, Amazon and SACD's. No problems with videos. Everything looks spectacular.



The M2 has the same problem as the original 800: It won't play an SACD reliably (without skipping) unless the TV is on.



Just waiting like the rest of us for more apps...

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For those who are interested in playing SACD and DVD-Audio discs as well as 4k UHD discs, this will either save you a lot of time or you can tell me that my x800M2 unit is defective.

I just purchased a new Samsung Q90R TV and the [email protected] player. I can only get the SACD and DVD-Audio discs to play by connecting the x800M2 to AVR ( Yamaha RX-A750) via the HDMI 1 port. The AVR and TV are connected via HDMI ARC ports. That works fine for both the audio discs and the 4k movies.

Unfortunately , this was my final solution rather than the first one I tried. Initially, I connected the x800M2 directly to the TV. UHD played fine but no SACD or DVD-Audio. I then split the audio and video signals by sending the Video to the TV via HDMI 1 and the audio to the AVR via HDMI 2. That worked ok for UHD discs but not for SACD and DVD-Audio. I spent hours trying EVERY combination of settings to make this work but to no avail. Surprisingly, I could get the SACD and DVD-Audio discs to work with this setup simply by unplugging the HDMI 1 cable( video) coming out of the x800M2 player. Of course there was no video, but the SACD and DVD-Audio then played fine. Is this a flaw in the hardware of the x800M2 player or do I have a defective player?

Based on my experience, in order to play SACD/DVD-Audio discs AND Video discs , you have to go through a receiver. Trying to split the video and audio signals so that just video goes to TV doesn't work for the SACD and DVD-Audio discs. You can play SACD abd DVD-Audio discs through the HDMI 2 port but only if you use the x800M2 as a stand-alone audio player.

Has anyone else been able to successfully play SACD and DVD-Audio discs by using the recommended( by Sony) 'splitting option' that sends video to TV via HDMI 1 and Audio to AVR via HDMI 2 port?
Hello:
About 1600 EDT 1/22/2020 I did as you suggested. First, I played Peter White Glow SACD, my 4k TV was OFF. My AVR is the Onkyo TX-RZ820 hooked to the UBP-X8002M with the split connection. DSD 5.1, 2.8MHz, I only played the first song without any problems.
I proceeded to play Diana Krall recordings DVD-A The Look Of Love DVD-Audio(L PCM 5.1 96KhZ) followed by the SACD.-DSD 5.1 2.8 MHz. I turned the TV OFF. It continue to play fine without any issues. I only played the first song S'Wonderful of both recordings.
I hope the above info helps.

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For those who are interested in playing SACD and DVD-Audio discs as well as 4k UHD discs, this will either save you a lot of time or you can tell me that my x800M2 unit is defective.

I just purchased a new Samsung Q90R TV and the [email protected] player. I can only get the SACD and DVD-Audio discs to play by connecting the x800M2 to AVR ( Yamaha RX-A750) via the HDMI 1 port. The AVR and TV are connected via HDMI ARC ports. That works fine for both the audio discs and the 4k movies.

Unfortunately , this was my final solution rather than the first one I tried. Initially, I connected the x800M2 directly to the TV. UHD played fine but no SACD or DVD-Audio. I then split the audio and video signals by sending the Video to the TV via HDMI 1 and the audio to the AVR via HDMI 2. That worked ok for UHD discs but not for SACD and DVD-Audio. I spent hours trying EVERY combination of settings to make this work but to no avail. Surprisingly, I could get the SACD and DVD-Audio discs to work with this setup simply by unplugging the HDMI 1 cable( video) coming out of the x800M2 player. Of course there was no video, but the SACD and DVD-Audio then played fine. Is this a flaw in the hardware of the x800M2 player or do I have a defective player?

Based on my experience, in order to play SACD/DVD-Audio discs AND Video discs , you have to go through a receiver. Trying to split the video and audio signals so that just video goes to TV doesn't work for the SACD and DVD-Audio discs. You can play SACD abd DVD-Audio discs through the HDMI 2 port but only if you use the x800M2 as a stand-alone audio player.

Has anyone else been able to successfully play SACD and DVD-Audio discs by using the recommended( by Sony) 'splitting option' that sends video to TV via HDMI 1 and Audio to AVR via HDMI 2 port?
While this question was for the 1100ES model, it has some relation to your issue but doesn't mention splitting the outputs:

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...r-hi-res-audio
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About 1600 EDT 1/22/2020 I did as you suggested. First, I played Peter White Glow SACD, my 4k TV was OFF. My AVR is the Onkyo hooked to the UBP-X8002M with the split connection. DSD 5.1, 2.8MHz, I only played the first song without any problems.
I proceeded to play Diana Krall recordings DVD-A The Look Of Love DVD-Audio(L PCM 5.1 96KhZ) followed by the SACD.-DSD 5.1 2.8 MHz. I turned the TV OFF. It continue to play fine without any issues. I only played the first song S'Wonderful of both recordings.
I hope the above info helps.
Thank you for the reply. Did you HAVE to turn TV off in order for the split hookup to work or was that just your preference? I would prefer not to turn the TV off even while playing the SACD discs. In fact , given my choice of HDMI control, turning the TV off most likely also turns the AVR off, as well.
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Thank you for the reply. Did you HAVE to turn TV off in order for the split hookup to work or was that just your preference? I would prefer not to turn the TV off even while playing the SACD discs. In fact , given my choice of HDMI control, turning the TV off most likely also turns the AVR off, as well.
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I apologize for not mentioning my Onkyo AVR, TX-RZ820. I turned the TV OFF to make sure it works that way while at the same time I was addressing your issue. I always listen to SACDs with the TV on. Most of the time(98%) I listen to SACDs on my OPPO BDP-103. My ears tell me the 103 sounds much better than the Sony. The Sony is strictly for 4K discs.
The split hookup is my preference for both the Sony and the Oppo.
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I apologize for not mentioning my Onkyo AVR, TX-RZ820. I turned the TV OFF to make sure it works that way while at the same time I was addressing your issue. I always listen to SACDs with the TV on. Most of the time(98%) I listen to SACDs on my OPPO BDP-103. My ears tell me the 103 sounds much better than the Sony. The Sony is strictly for 4K discs.
The split hookup is my preference for both the Sony and the Oppo.
Ok, Thank you. Looks like my x800M2 is faulty.
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Ok, Thank you. Looks like my x800M2 is faulty.
I don't think it is a faulty unit, but it is the way it is-
Mine works the same way. I think it is because the player is "seeing" the same display on both HDMI (one direct and one through the AVR).
The audio from UHD/DVD and SACD/DVD-A was blocked for me.

I verified that turning off the main display that has one HDMI attached to the Sony HDMI1(video) and another to the AVR that has Sony HDMI2(audio) will allow the audio.
I have a second display attached to AVR second HDMI out only, when it is on and the main display is off it shows a message from the Sony that HMDI 1 is for video and HDMI 2 is for audio-
There is video output from HDMI2, but it is just this message.
I have a Yamaha AVR that has a "Pure Direct" mode to set the AVR to audio only in effect. I do lose DSP doing this. I have my Harmony remote set the pure direct mode when switching to the Sony player.
My guess is that this is a combination of the old AVR(built before UDH and the 2 HDMI UHD video/audio split scheme) and the player DRM for the SACD and DVD-A formats or perhaps HDCP.

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Obviously from the attached picture...it would seem the X800M2 cannot do 4K 60Hz 10 bit with 4:2:0...it may only be able to do 10 bit or 12 bit at 4:2:2, which excedes the bandwidth available for the HDMI 2.0b ports on the unit. Annoying, but 4K 60p movies, like Gemini Man, look so horrible, that in the end, 4K wouldn't have made me enjoy it any more...horrible movie by the way, 60p with video colors and video HDR look s like one of those demo reels on YouTube where they try to make everything look realer than real.

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Dolby Vision is 12 bit. So the player would either output 422 at 12 bit or RGB at 8bit with extra info along with it for the TV to create the 12 bit video. 422 at 12 bit 2160P60 uses 17.8Gbps. And 422 only uses 12 bit. There is no 10 bit or 8 bit with 422 in the HDMi 2.0 spec. So make sure you use a full bandwidth input. And that your cable can handle it as well.

Although if the player can output 420 at 10 bit, then you would think it could output 420 at 12 bit. Since that is also in the HDMI 2.0 spec. 420 at 10 bit 2160P60 uses 11.1 Gbps of bandwidth. And 420 at 12 bit 2160P60 uses 13.4 Gbps.

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I don't think it is a faulty unit, but it is the way it is-
Mine works the same way. I think it is because the player is "seeing" the same display on both HDMI (one direct and one through the AVR).
The audio from UHD/DVD and SACD/DVD-A was blocked for me.

I verified that turning off the main display that has one HDMI attached to the Sony HDMI1(video) and another to the AVR that has Sony HDMI2(audio) will allow the audio.
I have a second display attached to AVR second HDMI out only, when it is on and the main display is off it shows a message from the Sony that HMDI 1 is for video and HDMI 2 is for audio-
There is video output from HDMI2, but it is just this message.
I have a Yamaha AVR that has a "Pure Direct" mode to set the AVR to audio only in effect. I do lose DSP doing this. I have my Harmony remote set the pure direct mode when switching to the Sony player.
My guess is that this is a combination of the old AVR(built before UDH and the 2 HDMI UHD video/audio split scheme) and the player DRM for the SACD and DVD-A formats or perhaps HDCP.

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Hi:
I apologize for not mentioning my Onkyo AVR, TX-RZ820. I turned the TV OFF to make sure it works that way while at the same time I was addressing your issue. I always listen to SACDs with the TV on. Most of the time(98%) I listen to SACDs on my OPPO BDP-103. My ears tell me the 103 sounds much better than the Sony. The Sony is strictly for 4K discs.
The split hookup is my preference for both the Sony and the Oppo.

I turned my x800M2 unit back to Best Buy for a replacement. After hooking up the new unit, I am now able to play both 4k/BD videos and SACD discs by splitting Video and audio signals from the x800M2. So, my original unit WAS faulty. Thank you to Transistorious for verifying this procedure for me. That's what's so great about these forums---that members are willing to take the time to use their own systems to help investigate questions or issues raised by other members. Much appreciated. I also appreciate the others who responded to my question.
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