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post #451 of 740 Old 01-26-2020, 05:12 PM
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I have a question. I tried my best to read through the thread, but maybe I missed something, and I downloaded and read the owner's manual, but it's been my experience that features listed in the manual don't always work in real life.

I have an extensive SD DVD collection, and I'd like a player to output them at 24p (my tv is 120 hz). Does this player actually output DVDs at 24p? My current player actually outputs them at 30p despite the setting saying 24p. Does it output them as 1080/24 like the manual says, or 2160p?

I could let my tv do the conversion, but this would require changing my motion settings every time I want to watch a DVD.
Read my post a few rows above your post. The answer is yes, the player will detect content filmed in 24p and playback in 24p.
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Read my post a few rows above your post. The answer is yes, the player will detect content filmed in 24p and playback in 24p.
Thanks for the reply. I picked up this player today, and the answer is no regarding regular DVDs. It will upscale them with 60 fps. Blu rays are upscaled while maintaining 24 fps.
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Good morning all
I am still in 55vt30 plasma and JVC HD1 video projector, so both are Full HD and not 4K
I plan to take the 820 and 420 to replace the panasonic bd500 (capricious platinum with beug)
UDH already render well in 1080p?
a significant gain against the 500 on full hd?
a special setting for downsampling from 4k to full hd?
a big difference between the a420 and the 820?
the same video settings?
HDR Optimizer very high performance on 1080p with a 4K blu ray
thank you so much
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Technically when SDR2020 is enabled the TV Type selection is bypassed, however it is still good practice since it’s what you want if you try HDR2020. ALL projectors are basic Luminance, they just don’t have the brightness to do HDR without compromise. SDR2020, along with my other recommended settings, makes 4K discs look the best they possibly can on a projector.

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Will a projector that is (only) specified for BT.709, such as my Sony VW350ES, be able to use the recommended SDR2020 signal?
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New owner of UB420, having sound issues with built in apps. e.g. Netflix, Youtube..
I'm connected with UB420 Audio/Video out on hdmi to my Samsung Q70R soundbar HDMI. Then HDMI ARC to the TV.
Blu Ray discs work fine, get TrueHD/Dolby Atmos no problems. Same for playback from USB, MKV's etc. Only the built in streaming apps don't work correctly. Picture is fine, but sound just cuts in and out..(regular pattern and timing, on for 2-3 seconds, off for 2-3 seconds) .
I tried full reset but no change...

Appreciate any settings I can check.....
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Will a projector that is (only) specified for BT.709, such as my Sony VW350ES, be able to use the recommended SDR2020 signal?
Good question ... I don't know the answer. ... but I think it would.

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Will a projector that is (only) specified for BT.709, such as my Sony VW350ES, be able to use the recommended SDR2020 signal?
My HC1040 can display the SDR2020 signal, but I don't think it actually benefits in terms of IQ - but it's a pretty low spec projector.
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Thanks guys, I guess I'll give it a try. My Sony is 'true' 4K projector, but not HDR capable.

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There is also a 709 option. I’d try both and see what happens. I just wonder, with not having BT2020, does it even have HDCP 2.2? (Required for UHD discs)

Honestly, for some of you with these low spec 4K projectors, some of which seem to be really compromised, like that Epson that can’t even do 4K at 60Hz or the Sony that can’t do BT2020, I’d seriously look into picking up a used projector that’s more capable. The deals on a low lamp hour used JVC RS400/420/500/520 are pretty insane. Some are even going for less than a used VW350ES. All projectors will have quirks, you just have to find one your okay dealing with.
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There is also a 709 option. I’d try both and see what happens. I just wonder, with not having BT2020, does it even have HDCP 2.2? (Required for UHD discs)

Honestly, for some of you with these low spec 4K projectors, some of which seem to be really compromised, like that Epson that can’t even do 4K at 60Hz or the Sony that can’t do BT2020, I’d seriously look into picking up a used projector that’s more capable. The deals on a low lamp hour used JVC RS400/420/500/520 are pretty insane. Some are even going for less than a used VW350ES. All projectors will have quirks, you just have to find one your okay dealing with.
When it comes to HDR on projectors compromise is always part of the deal. I think some of the JVCs you mention are 1080p where his Sony is native 4K.

This player is great because it can help with some of the compromises that have to be made using a projector for HDR.

My own Sony projector (VW285ES) has it's own limitations and benefits from the flexibility of this player.

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edit - Also ... I'm 98.2 % sure you could send BT2020 to the VW350ES and the projector itself wouldn't know the difference. The trick (if there is one) would be to calibrate for BT2020 using one of the extra (user) color settings.

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Deep Color Output 12 bit vs 10 bit

Guys, I just acquired a 420 and am a bit confused (actually, quite confused) as to whether it should be using Deep Color Output of 10 or the 12 bit priority setting. I am almost clueless when it comes to these settings. I have the 420 connected directly to my Sammy KS9800 TV. I believe it is a 10 bit panel, so if the 420 outputs video at 12 bits and my TV down converts it to 10 bits, isn't this an unnecessary processing step? I know I am most likely missing some knowledge here and possibly thinking of two different output settings. Would someone be kind enough to enlighten this old geezer?

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Guys, I just acquired a 420 and am a bit confused (actually, quite confused) as to whether it should be using Deep Color Output of 10 or the 12 bit priority setting. I am almost clueless when it comes to these settings. I have the 420 connected directly to my Sammy KS9800 TV. I believe it is a 10 bit panel, so if the 420 outputs video at 12 bits and my TV down converts it to 10 bits, isn't this an unnecessary processing step? I know I am most likely missing some knowledge here and possibly thinking of two different output settings. Would someone be kind enough to enlighten this old geezer?

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Just as an unsolicited update, I returned this player. Maybe my hearing is more sensitive to others', but it sounded like a jet liner was taking off whenever a 4K disc was spinning. And I also thought the DVD upscaling wasn't as good as my current player. So, I couldn't justify keeping it despite the sale price.
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Just as an unsolicited update, I returned this player. Maybe my hearing is more sensitive to others', but it sounded like a jet liner was taking off whenever a 4K disc was spinning. And I also thought the DVD upscaling wasn't as good as my current player. So, I couldn't justify keeping it despite the sale price.

Wow. Mine is quiet as a mouse. Must have had something wrong with your particular unit.

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Wow. Mine is quiet as a mouse. Must have had something wrong with your particular unit.
Could very well be the case.
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Panasonic DP-UB420 4K HDR10+ (non-Dolby Vision) Blu-ray Player now available..

Anyone using the 420 with an Epson projector? If so, can you share your settings

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I have a hypothesis that BD-100 discs spin much faster when the movie first starts, causing there to be noise. For example, when I start Apocalypse Now Final Cut, it sounds like a jetliner. It's quieter towards the middle and end of the movie. If start a BD-66 disc, like Deadpool, it's much quieter. Regular Blu-rays and DVDs are pretty quiet.

I'm curious if anyone else has BD-100 discs and Apocalypse now for comparison. These discs are fairly loud in my other players, too. It also makes me wonder how sensitive people, including myself, are to machine noise.
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I can here my quirk and spin, but only when it is loading the movie, is in an enclosed stand. When the movie is on, my 5.1.2 setup doesnt allow me to hear anything but the movie. Maybe my neighbors too.

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I have never heard mine but in my case the BDP/ATV4K and AVR are outside of the home theater.

So it could be loud... doesn't matter in my case.
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Ub420 will make you love discs again. Trust me.

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It did. Made me love my whole setup a bit more.

Now, I'm not even watching every new UHD disc I get carefully looking for lock ups. Now, I'm just enjoying them.

I'm surprised I didn't learn about this player sooner. I knew about the higher end Panasonics I guess but didn't know there was an entry level player with the HDR Optimizer. Being a projector guy this is so useful !!!!

Before getting this I didn't really realize how much the tone mapping was needed.

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It did. Made me love my whole setup a bit more.



Now, I'm not even watching every new UHD disc I get carefully looking for lock ups.



I'm surprised I didn't learn about this player sooner. I knew about the higher end Panasonics I guess but didn't know there was an entry level player with the HDR Optimizer. Being a projector guy this is so useful !!!!



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For the price you got it at it was a no brainer. It does a great job upscaling blurays as well. Glad you pulled the trigger.

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Discs do look good with no lockups but streaming with the onboard apps, sucks. Nothing will play without locking it up and, yes, I've done a factory reset. Glad I don't use the 420 for my main streamer and with all the complaints of lockups, studders and general crappy performance within apps, Panasonic really needs to fix the problems.
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Discs do look good with no lockups but streaming with the onboard apps, sucks. Nothing will play without locking it up and, yes, I've done a factory reset. Glad I don't use the 420 for my main streamer and with all the complaints of lockups, studders and general crappy performance within apps, Panasonic really needs to fix the problems.
All Panasonic devices have always stunk as streaming devices. 100% agree.

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All Panasonic devices have always stunk as streaming devices. 100% agree.

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That's not good. This is my first Panny and it's already leaving a bad impression for its awful streaming capabilities.
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That's not good. This is my first Panny and it's already leaving a bad impression for its awful streaming capabilities.
You can try using this procedure it works for some people

http://eng-ca.faq.panasonic.com/app/...aming-properly.

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You can try using this procedure it works for some people

http://eng-ca.faq.panasonic.com/app/...aming-properly.

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Thanks skylarlove1999, i'll take a look at it.
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Thanks skylarlove1999, i'll take a look at it.
My problem is streaming works without lock up, but sound issue (on/off, cutting in and out) is persistent. Tried resets, I'm on LAN cable, all works fine for discs, usb playback...just the streaming apps won't play sound properly...know it's not the HDMI cable or setup as soundbar passes all sound even Atmos back to Tv via aRC....it's a mystery...
No one seems to have an answer or any suggestions....so I stay with Samsung TV built in apps for streaming which are awesome but wanted to see how the panny HDR optimiser made any difference....ah well...technology...first world problems...
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Yes I did go through your post. What I am saying is that the only difference between my settings and what you recommended is the gamma as I don't know how to set up for 2.4. The projector color profile is set to BT2020 too. For everything else my Epson home cinema 3800 is using the out of the box settings on bright cinema. I have not tweaked anything else. So not sure what the issue is here. I have posted pictures to show what I mean. I would happy to make any other adjustments needed.

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Folks - I got some additional validation from the Epson 3800 forum that the setting recommended here will lead to a reddish image in my circumstances. So I will need to revert. The following is the input provided in that forum.

"If you feed your projector SDR BT2020, you are removing the HDR flag from the data stream and the projector will not show HDR.

I have found that that using SDR BT2020 works fine for disc content, but less so for streaming content, so on balance, if you're using the UB420 for streaming, I would leave it on HDR BT2020. Also, at least on my UB420 the HDR Optimizer is locked out whilst watching non-HDR streamed content, even using the "Options" button. To change this you having to enable SDR->HDR conversion in the UB420 settings- HDMI- advanced menu."

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I have three streaming devices: ATV4K, Amazon Fire, and Roku. Each one has something it does better than the others for some particular source and are always better than any TV or disc player internal streamer.

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I have three streaming devices: ATV4K, Amazon Fire, and Roku. Each one has something it does better than the others for some particular source and are always better than any TV or disc player internal streamer.
If you stream HDR via the UB420 then you can also use it's HDR Optimizer.

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