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Panasonic DP-UB420 4K HDR10+ (non-Dolby Vision) Blu-ray Player now available..

So after a long wait, thankfully those living in the States no longer have to import the best non-Dolby Vision 4K player from Canada or worse, overseas.

For Samsung QLED owners (myself included) who've have had to pay a premium for a Panasonic UB9000 or Pioneer LX-500 with Dolby Vision support (when our TVs don't officially support it), that is NO longer the case! We can now buy a top-notch 4K Blu-ray player from Panasonic with HDR10+ support in the States.

BB has officially released the Panasonic DP-UB420 4K Blu-ray player:
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So after a long wait, thankfully those living in the States no longer have to import the best non-Dolby Vision 4K player from Canada or worse, overseas.



For Samsung QLED owners (myself included) who've have had to pay a premium for a Panasonic UB9000 or Pioneer LX-500 with Dolby Vision support (when our TVs don't officially support it), that is NO longer the case! We can now buy a top-notch 4K Blu-ray player from Panasonic with HDR10+ support in the States.



BB has officially released the Panasonic DP-UB420 4K Blu-ray player:

Thank you for posting. This is awesome news.

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So, is the 820 worth the difference? I suppose if used almost exclusively for movie viewing the question is, is it worth about double the price for DV? If not then the 420 seems to be the way to go.
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Does the 420 have that special HDR dynamic range function like the 820 and above have?
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Does the 420 have that special HDR dynamic range function like the 820 and above have?
Yes 420 has the HDR OPTIMIZER. It does not support Dolby Vision. It does have some of the more audiophile options like a digital coaxial output. One perhaps less obvious consequence of the DP-UB420’s cut price build is operating noise. The DP-UB420 is not the quietest player in town. For that quiet and tank like build quality of an Oppo 203 you would need the Panasonic 9000 which also offers Dolby Vision and a digital coaxial output. But the HDR performance and video quality of the 420 is on par with both of it's big brothers the 820 and the 9000.

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Thanks for the heads up. Just ordered one and used the reward points from purchasing my Sammy 82Q90. Been waiting for the price on the UB820 to drop, but since I don't need DV--neither my 82Q90 or JVC projector support it, I can get the HDR slider without paying for the DV I don't need.

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Thanks for the heads up. Just ordered one and used the reward points from purchasing my Sammy 82Q90. Been waiting for the price on the UB820 to drop, but since I don't need DV--neither my 82Q90 or JVC projector support it, I can get the HDR slider without paying for the DV I don't need.
Yes I wish I had that option 18 months ago. LOL. I don't need Dolby Vision either with my 6050.

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What's the point of making a player with no DV AND charging that much? LOL
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^ Not everyone needs DV @AVS Commenter , as some of us have projectors, and the HDR optimizer is excellent for us. No need for external devices.
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What's the point of making a player with no DV AND charging that much? LOL
$249 for Panasonic HDR Optimizer & 4K reference quality playback along with HDR10+ support for Samsung QLED owners who could give two F's about DV is an outright steal.
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$249 for Panasonic HDR Optimizer & 4K reference quality playback along with HDR10+ support for Samsung QLED owners who could give two F's about DV is an outright steal.
Yes I would have gladly bought the 420 instead of the 820 if it had been for sale in the United States 18 months ago when I bought my 820.

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What's the point of making a player with no DV AND charging that much? LOL
Are you saying $250 is too much for the 420 or are you referring to the $500 for the 820? Just so we know the context in which you are commenting would you mind stating your display size and make/model and the UHD player you are currently using? Thanks in advance for giving us some perspective.

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Yes 420 has the HDR OPTIMIZER. It does not support Dolby Vision. It does have some of the more audiophile options like a digital coaxial output. One perhaps less obvious consequence of the DP-UB420’s cut price build is operating noise. The DP-UB420 is not the quietest player in town. For that quiet and tank like build quality of an Oppo 203 you would need the Panasonic 9000 which also offers Dolby Vision and a digital coaxial output. But the HDR performance and video quality of the 420 is on par with both of it's big brothers the 820 and the 9000.

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Not strictly true. My 820 was dead silent, but I know there are some people that had problems with the fan noise.
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Well said @Rieper .
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I've heard mixed reviews on the HDR Optimizer. 4K UHD disc will likely be the last type of physical media we see. There is no way I would buy a player that did not include the most advanced HDR profile.
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I've heard mixed reviews on the HDR Optimizer. 4K UHD disc will likely be the last type of physical media we see. There is no way I would buy a player that did not include the most advanced HDR profile.
I see you ignored my questions about your display size and current UHD player. Thanks for letting us know you would never buy a player that doesn't support Dolby Vision.

So you don't own a projector. That is who Panasonic is catering to with their UHD player lineup.

Please tell us what UHD player would be ideal for projector owners? What UHD player would be ideal for any television owners whose TV doesn't support Dobly Vision and whose television doesn't do any tone mapping?

Keep in mind the minimum nits level that Dolby Vision requires to license DV is 1000 nits for residential which means it will probably be decades for projectors to reach 1000 nits. Before you say anything about commercial theaters which use projectors the Dolby Vision trademark, licensing, and nits requirements are different for those venues. Thanks in advance for your reply.

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Are they catering to the projector crowd? Seems more towards the budget crowd. And the projector folks are less likely to buy a budget player IMO.
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Are they catering to the projector crowd? Seems more towards the budget crowd. And the projector folks are less likely to buy a budget player IMO.
You are just one of those guys, aren't you? Contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. 4K Projectors start at $1000 and go into the hundreds of thousand of dollars. That is why you have a range of UHD players. Once again what UHD players do you recommend for projector owners and which one for television owners? Don't worry I know I won't get an actual reply from you.

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I recommend a player with DV
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I recommend a player with DV
Even for television and projector owners whose display doesn't support Dolby Vision? You are absolutely the guy I thought you were.

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I've heard mixed reviews on the HDR Optimizer. 4K UHD disc will likely be the last type of physical media we see. There is no way I would buy a player that did not include the most advanced HDR profile.
Personally owning both the UB420 & UB820, I can assure you that there is a huge benefit in being able to apply the Optimizer function to HDR streaming (truly taming Netflix HDR) as well as Blu-Ray source material. Besides providing superb rendering for existing front projectors, these players should be equally beneficial to earlier displays which either lack DV or lacking internal tone mapping & are not at the brightest end of the flat panel spectrum. I'm not sure how valid your posts are unless you've had the opportunity to see how the Optimizer affects the huge catalog of non-DV HDR source material. The ability to output HDR as SDR BT.2020 with extensive sub-controls is also highly satisfactory to those users who prefer this iteration of BT.2020.
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I recommend a player with DV
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To those for whom it matters, the UB420 (like the UB820/9000) is able to output Netflix Dolby Atmos from the player's app for appropriate titles when paired with certain Denon/Marantz & Yamaha AVRs.
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Personally owning both the UB420 & UB820, I can assure you that there is a huge benefit in being able to apply the Optimizer function to HDR streaming (truly taming Netflix HDR) as well as Blu-Ray source material. Besides providing superb rendering for existing front projectors, these players should be equally beneficial to earlier displays which either lack DV or are not at the brightest end of the flat panel spectrum. I'm not sure how valid your posts are unless you've had the opportunity to see how the Optimizer affects the huge catalog of non-DV HDR source material. The ability to output HDR as SDR BT.2020 with extensive sub-controls is also highly satisfactory to those users who prefer this iteration of BT.2020.
Thank you for crafting an intelligent informative answer about the Panasonic UHD players. I needed that in this thread today.

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To those for whom it matters, the UB420 (like the UB820/9000) is able to output Netflix Dolby Atmos from the player's app for appropriate titles when paired with certain Denon/Marantz & Yamaha AVRs.
Another helpful and thoughtful post. I needed that in this thread today. Thank you.

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So is the only real difference build quality and dolby vision, or just dolby vision?
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No! check on power cable... external power supply buuu

Check on menu settings diff

ub450 there is no HCX processor! like 420/820/9000

no HDR optimalizer

There is no network apps no netflix, amazon, youtube

check on remote
https://i.imgur.com/iJnoWUf.jpg

ub450 this is joke compared to ub420

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I received the Panny UB420 today, already recorded the unboxing vid and did noise comparison test (when powering on and loading a disc) with the UB9000. I just have to finish editing the vid so it doesn't run long.


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