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did Ultra Blue Ray HDMI 2.1/2020 Players come out?

did Ultra Blue Ray HDMI 2.1 come out?

has no manufacturer introduced a new device at CES 2020 with hdmi 2.1 ?


can you dream of a device that converts 24FPS to 120FPS?
4: 2: 0 to 4: 4: 4 Converter 12BIT ? Like OPPO
and what more ?
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Nothing in the spec requires HDMI 2.1 for UHD discs. Discs are encoded at 4:2:0 10 bit. Players can easily output 4:4:4/10 bit or 4:2:2 12 bit. All players can support 4K24/25/30 4:4:4/12 bit. No player supports 4K60 4:4:4/12 bit. Displays can covert 24 to 120 FPS with its own motion interpolation. It's not needed in a player.
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But there's no way to broadcast it all
Via USB like OPPO 203

and where 24fps to 120fps ( in hdmi 2.0 24fps to 60hz )
Dolby Vision IQ ?
HDMI2.1 Auto low Latency mode ?
QMS
AV1 supported in Chip
Filmmaker Mode ?
better UPSCALING

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No player supports 4K60 4:4:4/12 bit
today's Blue Ray is not powerful enough and needs HDMI 2.1 in Blue Ray

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Displays can covert 24 to 120 FPS with its own motion interpolation. It's not needed in a player.
monitors don't do good in quality so there is always Blue Ray that is always do better quality

monitors can show movies through USB and in fact is not as good as Blue Ray
( except for the OLED )

every year, many models are released that improve the sound quality + image to existing HDMI HDMI 2.0

every year, drivers, hardware, image enhancements are released to existing HDMI 2.0

So HDMI 2.1 which is 2.5 x bandwidth has no improvements ?
it can't be, it makes no sense.

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It is not at all clear why you closed the company that your products today cost 4 times more than what was sold as a living business

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What was missing from CES 2020: UHD Blu-ray players
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A UHD player is built to play physical film disc. So, since there is no new UHD film disc spec, there will no need for anything you mentioned in HDMI 2.1 (which are mainly for console gaming and streaming). Most films are still shoot in 24fps today. What is the advantage of having 120 fps. Playback a film is not like playing a console game. Why do you need low latency? Low Latency mode means sacrifice picture quality in exchange for low latency.

And a $200 player can have better upscale quality than couple thousand dollar high end TV? Think about it youself, does that make any sense. Remember this is not the old days DVD media where the DVD spec/MPEG2 codec is designed to host interlaced format natively. Progressive 24fps films have to be telecined to fit into the 60i format. Hence the difficulty to correctly de-interlace the source material and apply proper upscaling. These days, with BD and UHD, all films are encoded at native 24fps on disc. It's a much easier job for players and TVs to do the job.


Oppo close the shop? Obviously, a business need to make money to stay in business. When the niche market the Oppo player targets is too niche, they can't make enough money to stay a float. Simple as that. That also seems the direction of ALL UHD player makers are going right now. Samsung already got out. It will be interesting to see who is still in the game.
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It is not at all clear why you closed the company that your products today cost 4 times more than what was sold as a living business
They did not close the company. They simply stopped making disc players in order to devote their resources to mobile phones, which Oppo claimed are more profitable. The reason their discontinued players are going for much higher than they did when they were still being produced is called supply and demand - you cannot buy them anymore from either Oppo or an authorized dealer (i.e.,supply is very scarce), so if you want one, you need to be willing to pay a very high price from a 2nd-hand seller. If nobody is willing to pay such a high price to buy one, the price will drop. That's how supply and demand works, just like buying a ticket to a sporting event or concert for which all the tickets are already sold out - pay a high price or don't buy it.

And as 2 people have already told you, disc players don't need HDMI 2.1.

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They did not close the company. They simply stopped making disc players in order to devote their
they shut down the Blue Ray division .



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their resources to mobile phones, which Oppo claimed are more profitable.
who cares about mobile phones ?this is Blue Ray Forum, Not Cellular
OPPO also has a real estate company that also needs to invest money

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And as 2 people have already told you, disc players don't need HDMI 2.1.
It's nice that people write in different names and still don't understand anything in Blue Ray !!!
HDMI 2.1 is very helpful for high quality blu ray!

i don't have to be a manager to don't understand
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...who cares about mobile phones ?
Oppo, obviously.

Whether or not their player division was profitable isn’t necessarily relevant. What matters is that they can - or believe they can - get a better return from their mobile phone division on the capital they have available to invest.
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Oppo, obviously.

Whether or not their player division was profitable isn’t necessarily relevant. What matters is that they can - or believe they can - get a better return from their mobile phone division on the capital they have available to invest.
Say you're serious?
are you an OPPO financial advisor?
are you writing where the money should go?
where should they invest?
Soon you will write how much they need to spend ?

who's this interesting? You have OPPO financial reports you know blu ray costs ?
Mobile earnings? Or cellular losses?
maybe the Blue Ray division was profitable and the company needs to invest money on the cellphone and can't own the Blue Ray division?

you are trying to look for financial advice work through forum on Blue Ray ?

before giving financial advice you need to study economics
bring relevant financial reports
be present at OPPO Executive meetings

Overall I asked about the Blue Ray HDMI 2.1
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It's nice that people write in different names and still don't understand anything in Blue Ray !!!
HDMI 2.1 is very helpful for high quality blu ray!

i don't have to be a manager to don't understand
How. is HDMI 2.1 useful to Blu-Ray? The medium itself can only do the quality of HDMI 2.0a.

Up scaling is adding fake data to the image. Same with frame interpolation. You're just making up data that was not in the original. And no player would contain hardware to do better than that because if you want fidelity you don't want fakery.

It's like converting a cd quality song to 192/24 and claiming it's higher fidelity when all you did was add a bunch of zeros. Of course some people do this and make a killing selling fake high res files for substantial profit, but the thing is, it's still fake.
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Say you're serious?
are you an OPPO financial advisor?
are you writing where the money should go?
where should they invest?
Soon you will write how much they need to spend ?

who's this interesting? You have OPPO financial reports you know blu ray costs ?
Mobile earnings? Or cellular losses?
maybe the Blue Ray division was profitable and the company needs to invest money on the cellphone and can't own the Blue Ray division?

you are trying to look for financial advice work through forum on Blue Ray ?

before giving financial advice you need to study economics
bring relevant financial reports
be present at OPPO Executive meetings

Overall I asked about the Blue Ray HDMI 2.1
I like your style. Keep it up, upuppp!
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Say you're serious?
are you an OPPO financial advisor?
are you writing where the money should go?
where should they invest?
Soon you will write how much they need to spend ?

who's this interesting? You have OPPO financial reports you know blu ray costs ?
Mobile earnings? Or cellular losses?
maybe the Blue Ray division was profitable and the company needs to invest money on the cellphone and can't own the Blue Ray division?

you are trying to look for financial advice work through forum on Blue Ray ?

before giving financial advice you need to study economics
bring relevant financial reports
be present at OPPO Executive meetings
We all miss Oppo players and wish they hadn't stopped making them. But they did make public announcements at the time clearly stating that their mobile phone division was more profitable than their player division, and therefore shifted their resources accordingly.

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Upcoming 2020 UHD Players?

I am having a hard time finding information on any upcoming/announced 4K blu-ray players for 2020. Is there a resource that can be shared or does anyone know? I am not even sure of the release timeline for players. Is it similar to new TV models - Spring?

With Oppo out, I am interested in hearing about upcoming flagship models.
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Already discussed after CES. There are no announced players for 2020.

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Crazy. Would think one manufacturer would at least rehash an existing player for 2020.
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Say you're serious?
are you an OPPO financial advisor?
are you writing where the money should go?
where should they invest?
Soon you will write how much they need to spend ?

who's this interesting? You have OPPO financial reports you know blu ray costs ?
Mobile earnings? Or cellular losses?
maybe the Blue Ray division was profitable and the company needs to invest money on the cellphone and can't own the Blue Ray division?

you are trying to look for financial advice work through forum on Blue Ray ?

before giving financial advice you need to study economics
bring relevant financial reports
be present at OPPO Executive meetings

Overall I asked about the Blue Ray HDMI 2.1
Wow, this is the pure definition of clueless.

Especially, lecturing others about blu-ray when you can't even spell blu-ray.

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