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use Nero MediaHome to transcode AVI's and other formats to your PS3,

Works really well.


Is this on the fly?
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i have a 60" xbr2 1080p set with ps3 connected via HDMI

1. should i turn DVD upscaling to normal and let the ps3 do the job or let the TV do the upscaling?

2. should i turn either RGB full range or super white on?

3. under image quality settings, should i turn block noise reduction or frame noise reduction on/off for DVD playback?

thanks!
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All these reports of increased fan noise are starting to concern me. If my PS3 was in a ventilated closet somewhere I would not care but it's sitting on my BDI stand underneath my plasma. I don't need my living room sounding like my home theater room with the projector.

Same here. I was already able to hear my PS3 in the past in quieter scenes in movies. After installing 1.8, the fan kicked up a gear within 3-5 minutes, and was very loud. Waaay too loud. I'm already making mental plans to move my TiVo for the same reason, and now I need to consider the logistics of moving my PS3 along with it. That sucks! Especially since the only thing I believe I'm getting from 1.8 is 720p from BD rather than 1080i from BD. I would have accepted 1080i over the fan noise, but now I can't go back to the prior version.
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Is this on the fly?

yes its on the fly

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=74499

there is the ps3forum for it.
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i have a 60" xbr2 1080p set
3. where is this setting? ---> "Image Quality" settings when you bring up the PS3's DVD control menu.

"Image Quality Adjustment" under the DVD "Control Panel." In the row right above the playback controls, to the right side.
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Upscaler looks neat, but I turn it off because it seems to output at 1080p60 even tho I have 1080p24 turned on. My Pio FHD1 displays 1080p dimmer than everything else so you can see my delima here.
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"Image Quality Adjustment" under the DVD "Control Panel." In the row right above the playback controls, to the right side.

This link references the guide for version 1.70. Anyone know if an online guide for 1.80 exists yet?
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This link references the guide for version 1.70. Anyone know if an online guide for 1.80 exists yet?

Nope, or I would have linked to it. Expect it around the time of the update being post.
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Where are the HDDVD fanboys now who said that we would never get some of these features? I bet some today are re-evaluating purchasing this unit.

1080p24 (which HD DVD does that)
DVD upscaling

This console is shaping up to be the center of the ultimate HT systems.

Now, the only thing that is on my want list is either one of the following?
1. Internal dts-HDMA decoding
2. dts-HDMA/DD-THD bitstreams over HDMI

If Sony even does either one of these, this will be the ultimate BD player.
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double scale does indeed seem to upconvert to 960p and windowboxes it.

What a great release. Sony got practically everything except HD DVD playback in this one. Kudos!
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i have a 60" xbr2 1080p set

1. should i turn DVD upscaling to normal and let the ps3 do the job or let the TV do the upscaling?

2. should i turn either RGB full range or super white on?

3. under image quality settings, should i turn block noise reduction or frame noise reduction on/off for DVD playback?

thanks!

1 and 2 will vary from display to display. You'll have to test them and decide what works best with your display. If you change RGB Full Range to On, and it seems to drop out when you watch a movie, try setting the BD/DVD Output Format to RGB (instead of Auto) and see if that helps. In regards to the upscaler, your TV may do a better job, then again, it may not. Which is why you'll have to see for yourself.

As for #3, I think this will vary from title to title. Haven't done much testing myself. I'm sure others are better suited to answer that question.
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double scale does indeed seem to upconvert to 960p and windowboxes it.

What a great release. Sony got practically everything except HD DVD playback in this one. Kudos!

Under what circumstances would one want to use "double scale"?

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Has anyone been able to stream media from a Mac? I only had a couple minutes with the update before work this morning, but I know the PS3 didn't see my Mac.

I'd love to be able to stream video (AVI especially!) from my Mac to my PS3.

Any thoughts?
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I'm guessing it'll need a 3rd party application to work with the Mac, like there is for the X360. I'm sure somebody will get it working very soon.
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Can someone test the 480p Supplemental features on a BD movie? Does it also upscale to 1080p? I have a suspicion that all the upscaling in this update relate to DVD, and BD remained unchanged.... How ridiculous would that be
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Under what circumstances would one want to use "double scale"?

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I suppose this would be useful if you have an uber huge screen and dont want to fill it because it's so huge standard definition looks blurry on it. Like projecting 35mm film in an imax theater
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When connecting to Windows Media Player 11 my PS3 shows the Windows MP Logo in a little button and enables me to browse photos etc set in my shared linraries - but I think it's timing out on my EXTENSIVE audio collection.

I'm unsure if it's looking at libraries or directory structure - if it's the latter then it will take it a good half hour to log all my tracks!

Anyway, it just says it's unavailable check network - however in the photos browsing (I'm assuming because there's only a few) it shows my pics and I can browse.

Any ideas - anything I could change in WMP11?

Taa.

PS. Sony, I'll tell you what, ignore all the naysayers - credit where credit is due, you've pulled a blinder! WP.
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Can someone test the 480p Supplemental features on a BD movie? Does it also upscale to 1080p? I have a suspicion that all the upscaling in this update relate to DVD, and BD remained unchanged.... How ridiculous would that be

Guess what, those are still 480p!!! It's a pain because it switches my screen out of 1:1 pixel mapping mode, so I have to change it back again.
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I suppose this would be useful if you have an uber huge screen and dont want to fill it because it's so huge standard definition looks blurry on it. Like projecting 35mm film in an imax theater

My guess is that the upscaling is a bit sharper at 960p, since it only has to interpolate the added lines and not every pixel. User preference.
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1 and 2 will vary from display to display. You'll have to test them and decide what works best with your display. If you change RGB Full Range to On, and it seems to drop out when you watch a movie, try setting the BD/DVD Output Format to RGB (instead of Auto) and see if that helps. In regards to the upscaler, your TV may do a better job, then again, it may not. Which is why you'll have to see for yourself.

As for #3, I think this will vary from title to title. Haven't done much testing myself. I'm sure others are better suited to answer that question.

The Super-White option seems to do for YCbCr what RGB Full does for RGB.
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Under what circumstances would one want to use "double scale"?

Because double-scale uses pure-integer math to interpolate, the original sample-points of the DVD are preserved (with new points added in between them). The results should provide superior picture quality over DVD scaled to non-integer-results like 720P or full-frame 1080p where every sample gets recomputed... even the ones originally recorded on the DVD.

Think of sample-rate converting with digital audio. That's what it's like when you scale to a non-integer result with video, and though you're "smoothing" the image with more points, you can lose accuracy. Keeping those original points would be like sample-rate converting from 44.1 to 88.2 rather than from 44.1 to 96 kHz. The former should sound (ie, look) better.

The differenc may be subtle, but "native scaling" at integer-multiples will always look best... even if by just a very small margin.

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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I was praising the quality of the new DVD transfers until...

the fan noise.

I thought I was going nuts but it looks like there are some here who are experiencing the same thing. After putting in upconverted DVDs I noticed that my PS3's fan noise was almost that of my XBOX 360. It's disappointing.

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I just tried "double scale" and it still outputs 1920x1080 but with over-scan. If you press triangle and choose the Image Quality Adjustment icon you can change it in real-time.
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It never did bob 1080i to 1080p. The PS3 reads the 1080p right off the disc for film-based content on Blu-ray. Naturally, you *have* to bob "video" 1080i to 1080p bcs there's no "frames" to reconstruct with 3-2 pulldown reversal.

I'm not talking about video based content. There's a few film-based 1080i releases, the ones I know of are the Japanese release of Full Metal Jacket and the "Air" anime box set.
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I have finally figured out the new display settings:

RGB Full Range (HDMI) - Full = video levels, Limited = pc levels
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super White (HDMI) - On = video levels, Off = pc levels

video levels = complete range including below black and above white
pc levels = below black and above white clipped

This is directly linked to what your display supports and the BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) setting under BD/DVD Settings. With it set to Automatic and with a HDMI display that supports YPbPr, it's the Super White setting you'd be interested in.
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Has anyone been able to stream media from a Mac? I only had a couple minutes with the update before work this morning, but I know the PS3 didn't see my Mac.

I'd love to be able to stream video (AVI especially!) from my Mac to my PS3.

Any thoughts?

twonkeyvision.com $30 shareware works for me. Not sure if there are any other free DLNA servers for mac.
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I was praising the quality of the new DVD transfers until...

the fan noise.

I thought I was going nuts but it looks like there are some here who are experiencing the same thing. After putting in upconverted DVDs I noticed that my PS3's fan noise was almost that of my XBOX 360. It's disappointing.

That's scary. So far I only played a PS2 game to test the upscaling. The fan noise was about as loud as it had gotten before: noticeable only when there was dead silence.

I have some netflix DVDs at home so I guess I'll pop those in and see if the fan noise goes up a notch. If it's anywhere near as loud as my friend's 360 I'm going to be disappointed.

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That's scary. So far I only played a PS2 game to test the upscaling. The fan noise was about as loud as it had gotten before: noticeable only when there was dead silence.

I have some netflix DVDs at home so I guess I'll pop those in and see if the fan noise goes up a notch. If it's anywhere near as loud as my friend's 360 I'm going to be disappointed.

Brandon

its loud..I never noticed it until after the download..its was that noticeable...

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I'm not talking about video based content. There's a few film-based 1080i releases, the ones I know of are the Japanese release of Full Metal Jacket and the "Air" anime box set.

gotcha.

I don't think that the PS3 does or will ever do 3-2 cadence recognition for 1080p output of Blu-ray since Blu-ray Discs are *supposed* to be authored in native 1080p24 or native 1080p30 if they are progressive content. If a mastering house improperly uses a hard-coded 1080i60 master from a film-source transfer and uses that to produce a BD that's authored as "1080i video", then that's the fault of the mastering house.

it would be nice if the PS3 could fix it, but not essential given the (hopeful) rarity of the problem on major titles.



BTW, does anyone else with the Oppo think that the Oppo is still a better scaling DVD player? IMO the PS3 still looked slightly softer and less pristine than what I see with my Oppo with upscaled DVD to 720p.

1080p and lossless audio. EVERY BD should have them both.
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its loud..I never noticed it until after the download..its was that noticeable...

Well, for DVD playback, the PS3 went from requiring almost no processing power to using 3 cores (reported).

I have the "right" side of my PS3 pointing to open space so it can "breath" very efficient (it's actually vertical as well so it vents up and out). Watching a DVD on FW 1.8, my fan remained in one of the "lower" speeds and was inaudible to me where I was sitting.

You see pictures of people's setup, and they have the PS3 smashed into an enclosed space with no room on its right side. The fan will crank. It's a 200W device.

Anyway, try giving your PS3 a bit more room, particularly on its right edge, if feasible.
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