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Much better......must sound excellent with new speakers, subs and AVR.....I only see three speakers hooked up on back of AVR, no surrounds yet, I know you bought some......
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Site has been wonky for me with pictures. I actually edited the picture to rotate it so that it would post straight, which it did, but then turned crooked. So I reposted the original which now shows to be not rotated.
Forums should have a sticky to describe the photo upload behavior...

The forum will rotate any photo so that the longest edge is horizontal, with the shorter edge being vertical. On other words, it displays all photos in landscape even if they were taken in portrait. Making sure the horizontal part of the photo is at least 1 pixel more than the vertical will fix it. That either means cropping the photo, or padding the sides with extra space. Best to just take the photos in landscape to begin with.
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Much better......must sound excellent with new speakers, subs and AVR.....I only see three speakers hooked up on back of AVR, no surrounds yet, I know you bought some......
Correct. I have the (pitiful excuse for) surrounds sitting here. The problem lies in how I will have to mount them. I will have to run wires into the walls, and I am not willing to tackle that project. Haven't gotten around to calling an electrician to run the wires for me, although I should as I would also like to get a 20 amp circuit installed for the sub amp while I'm at it. I think if I can see the lamp on the same circuit visibly dimming with spirited playback, it might be time for a more capable circuit. Not to mention all my electronics are on the same circuit.
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Ok, here's what I ended up with for response from my LCR:



So, I wasn't shooting for a perfect response at one seat, so I know this doesn't look as perfect as it could. However, all three of these measurement are the averaged response across all seats of a large sectional. I think this illustrates a pretty consistent and accurate frequency response across all my seating. I do listen with DEQ which, to me, sounds very good especially at lower volumes where the low bass and high treble boost seem to work well.

I might experiment with getting an eq preset that prioritizes the MLP to see how it would change things....with the phone app its pretty easy to switch back and forth between different eq settings. I still don't have the subs set up exactly as I'd like them....the AVR was doing some really wonky things with subs levels that I just couldn't figure out, and I need to do some more REW sweeps when I have time.. If I ever get everything dialed in 100% the way I'd like, I'll post up some final measurements.
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If I ever get everything dialed in 100% the way I'd like, I'll post up some final measurements.
I don't think any of us has ever gotten to that point, but it looks like you're off to a good start.
Good luck with the subs.
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Some huge upgrades to the setup. My 65" Vizio D-series TV bit the dust, less than two years old, no warranty. It was around $850. Decided a projector is not realistically feasible in this house, so decided to go bigger with the replacement TV.

After MUCH deliberation(mainly between QLED and OLED, 65" vs 75"), I decided on a 75" Samsung Q80R QLED. On that same day, I received Revel W263 in wall surround speakers for my birthday, AND had an electrician install the speakers the same day. Have been without any surround capability for many many years.

It has been a very noticeable upgrade. The TV is much larger, has a fantastic image, amazing anti-reflection capability. Combined with the newly added surround speakers, it made for a VERY immersive experience. Watched HTTYD 3 which was a great move to showcase the new gear. Fantastic picture, great soundtrack with lots of surround effects, and a fantastic LFE track that really showcased the subs as well. A great film for both audio and video.

Also, I had two dedicated 20 amp circuits ran for all the audio/video gear. One of them is dedicated just for the sub amp, the other is a circuit breaker four outlet. It used to be all on the same 90 year old 15 amp knob and tube circuit and the subs would dim the lamp I had on the same circuit...probably not the best situation!

Next planned upgrade is to replace all the white 2" blinds in place on the 12 windows of my first floor with blackout roman shades. This should be a really nice upgrade for daylight movie using. The blinds somewhat dim the living room but by no means "darken" it, and, despite the Q80R's amazing reflection properties, the windows can still be seen, although unbeleivably substantially lessened.

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How do your new speakers compare to the Hsus?

"Rockbiter" DO SI18 sub build - https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...o-si-18-a.html
Ambesolman's Cleverly Titled Theater build - https://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-de...ter-build.html
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How do your new speakers compare to the Hsus?
Thats a big question, so I'll try to be concise and accurate.

First, I'll say the Hsu are very surprisingly capable speakers for the price. I think they strike a very hard to beat value where you basically have to spend a lot more for a modest improvement in performance. It's why they are the component I have had in my system for the longest time. I went for quite a few years without the slightest thought of ever upgrading them.

What led me to consider an upgrade was to achieve clean, clear, low distortion reference level playback. A tough thing to accomplish for small inexpensive bookshelf speakers at 12'. I realized that in order to purchase speakers that could do this, the lowest cost option for me was PSA which would be over $2k for LCR vs $680 or so for the Hsu. And the PSA speakers are too deep to work in my room, so I had to build my own.

I have $1,000 in my DIYSG LCR not including labor/time etc. The definitely have higher SPL capability with lower distortion which was one of my main goals. Of course, neutral, accurate, hi fidelity was another part of the goal and they definitely accomplished that as well.

Up to -10 or so MV, they Hsu's perform extremely well. What I noticed with my higher sensitivity speakers was that I could watch movies at a louder volume more comfortably. Being 6 dB more sensitive, they require 1/4th the power so my AVR has an easier time providing plenty of power.

Are the new speakers better than the Hsu? Undoubtedly so. But the fact that I spent a lot more for just the raw components and they are significantly larger, is a testament to how good the Hsu are for the price. I've got them up for sale cheap.....They are a great value new and will be a steal for whoever grabs them used.

I'm using them downstairs in my workout room without subs with an old cheap Yamaha AVR and they impress me every time I hear them for what they are.
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I just reviewed your Thread on your Home theater system and want to simply compliment you on job well done ... Sir.


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I just reviewed your Thread on your Home theater system and want to simply compliment you on job well done ... Sir.


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Why thank you! More big changes on the way lol.
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Why thank you! More big changes on the way lol.
Look forward to seeing and reading all about the changes coming ..............


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A big change for my setup. Although I never thought I could realistically accommodate them into my setup due to the room layout, I just changed from bookshelf DIYSG HTM-8 L/R to Revel F36 towers with triple 6.5" woofers in a 2.5 way configuration. They are a wide dispersion design in contrast to the controlled directivity speakers I have alway had, with reasonably good sensitivity of 91 dB. I purposefully went with this model even over the "higher" model F206 in part due to the higher sensitivity in order to fill both roles for me: music and movies. Paired these up with the matching C25 center channel. It's a dual 5.25" 2 way center channel rated at 89 dB.

Why the change? Well, I thought realistically about my useage, and I am 90% music 10% home theater. Up to this point, I have been focusing 100% on home theater capability, so I decided to shift my focus to getting the best possible musical performance while retaining good home theater capability. Not saying one can't have both, but the absolute best possible setup for one is not always the absolute best setup for the other, especially if one wants to approach reference level home theater capability. Fundamentally, the change I made was switching from controlled directivity to wide dispersion to see how I like things for music with this type of design. My goal was to have a wide, huge soundstage for music without being able to easily locate the speakers sonically. Getting the speakers out of my bookshelves for improved sound quality was also a consideration, and placing bookshelves on stands to make them the same size as towers always seemed silly to me....tower speakers in which the speaker is the stand, offering better capability and improved aesthetics appeals to me more. This way, I have 3 6.5" woofers handling frequencies down to the crossover instead of one.

I'll report back soon with photos, subjective impressions, and measurements!!
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For this room and what I am currently and in the foreseeable future willing to spend, I have found my end game speakers. Very happy with the Revel F36 L/R, C25 center, and W263 in wall surrounds.

Here are my first sweeps from the LCR. No eq applied above 500 Hz. Sub levels were too low for the sweeps so the bottom end looks pretty rough. Response was measured across my entire 10' wide sectional, then averaged in purple:




Pretty happy with this response. Despite being quite excellent for a two way MTM center, you can see the seat to seat variation of the C25 center is not nearly as good in the 600-3KHz range as the vertical towers.
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Recently sold my BMS18n862 sealed 18" subs. Part of me hated to, as I feel these are one of the best all around 18" drivers ever made regardless of price. Reasons for selling;

1) Wanted subs with a smaller cab to make them more decor friendly as they are in my living room. This was the *MAIN* factor
2) They have more output than I need, so moving to something smaller will still meet my output needs.
3) Want higher quality fit and finish vs my DIY cabs...I prefer a professional, well polished system in all ways.
4) Wanted to eliminate the pro audio amp with fans/fan noise/dust issues.
5) Wanted auto on feature which I didn't have with the Behringer pro amp...not an easy fix, and not one I was willing to incorporate

The solution that fit the above needs is a pair of S1512 sealed 15" subs from PSA:

1) They use the very high quality Neo pro audio drivers from B&C. I felt this would retain the very low distortion along with incredible mid bass and sound quality I had with the BMS.
2) Good rated Xmax for adequate low bass performance.
3) Superb fit and finish quality, even with the standard satin black finish which is also very durable.
4) Auto on! I want to push one button and everything in my system power on and work flawlessly..this is important for me and very important for family members who don't want complicated turn on/off procedures.
5) Room size control. Since I will no longer have powerful user adjustable DSP in my amp, RSC was a very important feature to very simply and easily be able to control the low-end.
6) The amp used in these subs have very good burst power....I think this is important for hitting those huge transients in movies and music. Combined with the high sensitivity pro drivers, this should make a potent combo.
7) 5 year bumper to bumper warranty combined with Tom's legendary customer service.
8) They fit my budget

I got a JBL550P 10" subwoofer as part of the sale of my DIY subs. I have it in place temporarily until my PSA subs arrive. It will be relegated to my workout room where it will serve its purpose adequately. However, it is a sorely lacking stop gap sub in the meantime, but better than nothing. My mains actually extend a little lower than the sub, but the ability to boost the sub a bit still makes for a better listening experience than without it.
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Ended up with a pair of Rythmik FV15HP for subs. They meet my needs very well.



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Quick graph of response. Extension is much better when I close up the room, but low enough with it open:

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That was a quick turn around, didn't you just get dual S1512s, you gave them a very favorable review..........
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That was a quick turn around, didn't you just get dual S1512s, you gave them a very favorable review..........
Yes I was *very* impressed with what the S1512's could do, but, having experienced full reference level capability, I didn't think I would be satisfied long term with the low end. They performed well for what they are, and I could tell they've been designed well to get all that the driver is capable of giving down low without signs of distress. Their clean, clear, crisp, powerful mid bass really added to the overall presentation of the sub and made them punch way above their size, but a more potent LFE presentation won out in the end. It was a tough decision. Still 2nd guessing myself just a little.
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