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Another Atmos Speaker Placement Question

I need some advice on Atmos speaker placement and my room layout. My house is about 2.5 years old. We had the ceiling speaker wiring done at the time of construction. It was a package type deal that I could not change so I'm stuck with these ceiling locations. It's not the best room or speaker layout so I figure some compromising will have to be done. I have been using the back ceiling speaker locations, SL, SR, SBL and SBR as my rear surrounds in a 7.1 configuration. My Pioneer VSX-90 is capable of 7.2 or 5.2.2. My question is what is the best option to configure these as an Atmos configuration? I do not want to cut more holes in the ceiling, but I may be able to add a pair of speakers (maybe Polk S10) on either pedestals or behind the leather sofa. Also, is it worthwhile adding ceiling speakers to front locations for future additional Atmos, 5.2.4 or 7.2.4 configuration? A layout of my room is attached for review. I am leaning towards adding two surrounds in the back as my SBR and SBL speakers and switching my ceiling SBR and SBL to Atmos. Thoughts? Should I just leave everything the way it is and not worry about Atmos? This is driving me crazy.

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I think if adding a couple of Polk S10's gives you the opportunity to try atmos it's well worth it. I'd use the S10's on stands to either side of your main seating position. The ceiling SL/SR might offer the best atmos placement / performance but it could always try the SBR/SBL as well.
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I think if adding a couple of Polk S10's gives you the opportunity to try atmos it's well worth it. I'd use the S10's on stands to either side of your main seating position. The ceiling SL/SR might offer the best atmos placement / performance but it could always try the SBR/SBL as well.
Thanks for the tip. I'll probably change the ceiling SL/SR to Atmos and add some surrounds on stands as SL/SR. I'm borrowing a pair of Energy Take surrounds from my sister that I try first and see how that sounds. Once that's all sorted out I'll look into finding another set of the MAG6R ceiling speakers for the front ceiling locations.

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Thanks for the tip. I'll probably change the ceiling SL/SR to Atmos and add some surrounds on stands as SL/SR. I'm borrowing a pair of Energy Take surrounds from my sister that I try first and see how that sounds. Once that's all sorted out I'll look into finding another set of the MAG6R ceiling speakers for the front ceiling locations.
Honestly, atmos is about the same for main listening position in a 5.1.4 configuration vs a 7.1.4 configuration. I wouldn't spend any effort adding rear surrounds into this. Just focus on the 4 ceiling speakers as 5.1.4 is a huge step up from 5.1.2.

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Honestly, atmos is about the same for main listening position in a 5.1.4 configuration vs a 7.1.4 configuration. I wouldn't spend any effort adding rear surrounds into this. Just focus on the 4 ceiling speakers as 5.1.4 is a huge step up from 5.1.2.
I would love to be able to do 5.1.4 but my AVR can only do either 7.2 or 5.2.2. In my case with one sub I would be able to do 7.1 or 5.1.2. An AVR that can do 5.1.4 is in the future but right now 5.1.2 is my limit

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I would love to be able to do 5.1.4 but my AVR can only do either 7.2 or 5.2.2. In my case with one sub I would be able to do 7.1 or 5.1.2. An AVR that can do 5.1.4 is in the future but right now 5.1.2 is my limit
I’d probably pass on Atmos then. 5.1.2 is not impressive.
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I’d probably pass on Atmos then. 5.1.2 is not impressive.
Currently all my surrounds are in the ceiling and not at ear level. I hear sounds from above and not behind me. Kinda a weird sound field IMO. The OCD in me wants to fix this.

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As it'll only require a little effort / time on your part I still say go for it! By utilizing your existing / borrowed speakers you're not out of pocket $ I have to think that just lowering your side surrounds to an appropriate height would be an upgrade. The limited space behind your listening positions tips the scale towards using atmos 5.1.2 rather than poorly placed back surrounds in a 7.1 configuration.
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As it'll only require a little effort / time on your part I still say go for it! By utilizing your existing / borrowed speakers you're not out of pocket $ I have to think that just lowering your side surrounds to an appropriate height would be an upgrade. The limited space behind your listening positions tips the scale towards using atmos 5.1.2 rather than poorly placed back surrounds in a 7.1 configuration.
I got the Energy Take speakers from my sister. I have speaker wire strew across my floor right now from the Pioneer AVR to the speakers on the sides of the sofa. According to the Pioneer owners manual the surround back and the top middle speakers are switched automatically based on the audio input signal. I think this is fairly common. Based on this I think bringing down the surround speakers to ear level will help. The ceiling surrounds will become my top middle speakers and the ceiling back surrounds speakers will remain my back surrounds. While the back surrounds ceiling speakers are not the best location I am going up there to point the tweeters towards the back wall to bounce the sound behind the listener instead of firing directly down on the listener.

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Hope to hear your impressions of the 5.1.2 atmos set up which is what I have planned as well. What movies have you've got selected for your 1st watch/listen?
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IMO, move your primary couch forward a couple of feet, use speakers on stands as your rear surrounds (ear level), and use the ceiling SL and SR as your Atmos.

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Hope to hear your impressions of the 5.1.2 atmos set up which is what I have planned as well. What movies have you've got selected for your 1st watch/listen?
I have several, wonderwoman, starwars, avengers endgame and Godzilla king of the monsters come to mind. Not sure yet.
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IMO, move your primary couch forward a couple of feet, use speakers on stands as your rear surrounds (ear level), and use the ceiling SL and SR as your Atmos.
I would like to move couch forward. Sadly though I have a immovable object in the way, wifey. I did get her to let me put surrounds on stands, I don't want to push my luck. According to my AVR manual I can use the rear surrounds OR my atmos but not at same time.

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