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How much you want to bet the the people who did the despicabe The Longest Day Blu-ray never saw this release last year. Maybe its just too boring to watch a 1957 Black and White classic movie. Way out of their demographics?

Even after The Longest Day there is still confusion on how excessive DNRs ruins the art of film. It destroys the image. It looks nothing like what the film makers wants it to look. Much like the pan and scanning of home video releases. The Seventh Seal did not suffer any of this nonsense. A big improvement over the Criterion DVD release. An excellent job and they should be commended for it. There is some frames/scenes were you can still see scratches and dust. The scene where Death first sat down to play chess is one example. Maybe in the future better technology may be able to completely get rid of them.


" Oh S***!, Its Black and White! And its too grainy! Why do I get to restore these boring movies?! F*** it, I will just dial this DNR machine to 11 maybe it will be better PQ (sic). Yesss!!! much better. All I need to do now is to set my uncalibrated LCD to "torch" mode and it should look as good as those CGI cut scenes from that videogame I played. Wohoo! "

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One of my favorite recent releases. Video is fantastic, audio is ok-ish.
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So this is the UK Tartan import then... I guess I will be waiting (and waiting...) for the Criterion release.

Thanks for bringing this great movie to attention

Black Narcissus would be the logical next step
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So this is the UK Tartan import then... I guess I will be waiting (and waiting...) for the Criterion release.

Thanks for bringing this great movie to attention

Black Narcissus would be the logical next step

Is the UK release region free? I was going to buy it.

Ah, Black Narcissus. Arguably some of the best cinematography ever put on film!
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There's an Ingmar Bergman film on BD and this is how I find out?
You would think there would be a little more excitement.

edit-Bergam(combination of my idiocy and the computer) to Bergman.

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There's an Ingmar Bergam film on BD and this is how I find out?
You would think there would be a little more excitement.

Who is Ingmar Bergam?

I would guess that the excitement is somewhat tempered by the fact that you can't buy it in the states, and it will cost around $50 to import.
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Just be happy you dont understand the dialouge in its native form, its sounds a bit like any slapstick movie that was produced in the same area (it even uses the same slapstick actors in some parts)

But I agree that its great cinematography, and Max has something special that makes him stand out. And that Death-guy looks creppy (and something filmmakers should lern from since they didnt need any advanced or gory makeup to do it.)
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What's with the reservfed? Where are the captures?
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Can't wait, I've been kicking around the idea of importing this and Assembly.
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the bd of assembly is great. i had the uk bd but the dts was messed up on my receiver so i purchased the hk bd and it plays flawlessly. it appears to have the same transfer though.
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Who is Ingmar Bergam?

I would guess that the excitement is somewhat tempered by the fact that you can't buy it in the states, and it will cost around $50 to import.

Eh, still $50 but available at xploitedcinema

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Can't wait, I've been kicking around the idea of importing this and Assembly.

Assembly too
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Tartan closed for business
McAlpine breaks news to London staff

- http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...&cs=1&nid=3078

Might want to pickup this disc while you still can.
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Tartan closed for business
McAlpine breaks news to London staff

- http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...&cs=1&nid=3078

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Wow! Looks like a fantastic, accurate transfer!
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There is some frames/scenes were you can still see scratches and dust. The scene where Death first sat down to play chess is one example. Maybe in the future better technology may be able to completely get rid of them.

If I remember correctly, this one scene is mentioned specifically in the Criterion DVD extras as one where the original film was torn in half (or nearly so). There were a few glitches in the Criterion release, but it was still restored quite beautifully. If the BD release improves on that a bit, then even better. Thanks for the review/shots, Xylon.
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Superb shots, it's just too bad about Tartan. And the cheapest I've seen it for is £17.39 including international shipping, which is about $35.
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Looks very nice ! Where did you say you guys picked this up ? We usually travel around the 4th but not this year so I'll have lots of time in my theater. I need to get some good stuff.

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There is some frames/scenes were you can still see scratches and dust. The scene where Death first sat down to play chess is one example. Maybe in the future better technology may be able to completely get rid of them.

It's here. It just needs to be used. At worst you can clean up manually. It's labor intensive and costly. But transparent and does not leave visible artifacts behind if carefully done.
Got this disc some days ago. Had to order it to make a point. The film is a classic anyway and belongs in any videophile library. It was very expensive when it came out but prices came down since then.
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Eh, still $50 but available at xploitedcinema



I was going through the xploitedcinema site, and noticed that they have Black Narcissus and Lean's Great Expectations on Blu-ray. I didn't even know those existed.
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I was going through the xploitedcinema site, and noticed that they have Black Narcissus and Lean's Great Expectations on Blu-ray. I didn't even know those existed.

They just came out in the past week or so. I'm considering Great Expectations but need some reviews first.
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They just came out in the past week or so. I'm considering Great Expectations but need some reviews first.

I would consider both Great Expectations and Black Narcissus, but would also want to see reviews/captures first.
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Black Narcissus review here with screenshots: http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=68122
Waiting on Great Expectations now.
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Black Narcissus review here with screenshots: http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=68122
Waiting on Great Expectations now.

Cool, thank you kind sir!
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