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If there is any reason to upgrade to Blu-ray over DVD then this the title to get. No waxy faces. No halos to complain about. This is what every PS3 owner is waiting for. Hanna Cyrus in umm, Miley Montana in glorious 1080p High Definition picture!

But WAIT! Its also in 3D!!!!

Disclaimer: I bought this for the 3D feature. Honest!


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The 3D version is what actually intrigued me. There some future BD releases that will be made to specifically take advantage of this "gimmick". I called it like that because if this is the future of 3D then its just a waste of time. It still uses an old fashioned way of getting "3D". Remember those paper cutouts with red and blue plastic that resemble glasses? That is what you will be using. I don't think any AVS'rs will be caught dead using that watching Hanna Cyrus.

As for the regular version the PQ is very good but not as sharp as Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City or Elton 60. I also notice some minor banding in the background and artifacts when the whole scene is getting busy. Not really distracting to me since it doesn't break up like mpeg-2 broadcasts. But I'm sure your kids wont mind as much
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This movie was also shown at DisneyHD that I'm able to record:

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Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 4.87 GB, Play Time: 01h:25m:40s
59.95 FPS (Average), 7.50 Mbps (Average).
AC3 Audio: 3/2 Channels (L, C, R, SL, SR) + LFE, 48.0 kHz, 384 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -27.0 dB, Center Mix Level: -3.0 dB, Surround Mix Level: -3.0 dB
0 of 160655 audio frames found with errors.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

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The channel is 720p and like every satellite provider its in HD-Lite PQ.

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Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes

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The behind the scene stuff is not in 3D.

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Where's my anaglyph glasses? This is the most important comparison of our time.
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Miley Cyrus makes me feel like a pervert.
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A definite upgrade from the broadcast and dvd versions. Too they just didn't put both the right and left eye versions on there so those with with the equipment and time could figure out how to turn it into 3-D that can be used with polorized 3-D glasses.
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does the disc come with color calibrations? otherwise wouldnt ppl who dont have their tv settings done right (esp those who put their sets on dynamic) not be able to see 3D correctly?

these pictures should kill off any idea that HD broadcasts or downloads can rival Blu-ray in quality. i still laugh when i see DishHD mentioning their VOD movies are now Blu-ray quality just b/c it's at 1080p.
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What's the story with the Portuguese and Spanish audio tracks? Is the musical performance actually dubbed into these two languages with, presumably, a different singer?

Very curious...foreign language audio tracks are not something you'd expect on a concert release.

EDIT: Never mind, I answered my own question by searching around - supposedly just the dialog/conversational parts are dubbed with the songs left intact.
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Any more anaglyphic 3-D pics to share?
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Great pics! My Daughter wanted to read this thread. Seriously...

4K HDR10- ignore the “rules” and trust your eyes!
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Disclaimer: I bought this for the 3D feature. Honest!


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Hahah, Xylon, you perv!!!

At least this is one comparison thread all your own...you can forget about eric.exe trying to compete with your thread here.
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does the disc come with color calibrations? otherwise wouldnt ppl who dont have their tv settings done right (esp those who put their sets on dynamic) not be able to see 3D correctly?

Did not see any calibrations in the disc.
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When I see commentary in various publications or blogs on "why HD on Demand will over take Blu-Ray" and then I see these screen captures, uh, yeah, right...Blu-Ray for me.

Nice job Xylon.
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I find that with these anaglyph releases (Spy Kids 3D etc included) I always see shadowing (image doubling) as opposed to clear 3D depth. Is this due to my eyes or my TV settings? (all 4 of my TVs are ISF calibrated). I only see very extremely slight doubling in the theatres but the home version is very apparent. Furthermore I don't think anaglyph to be the problem because when I look at anaglyph comic books, I don't see doubling at all.

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I find that with these anaglyph releases (Spy Kids 3D etc included) I always see shadowing (image doubling) as opposed to clear 3D depth. Is this due to my eyes or my TV settings? (all 4 of my TVs are ISF calibrated). I only see very extremely slight doubling in the theatres but the home version is very apparent. Furthermore I don't think anaglyph to be the problem because when I look at anaglyph comic books, I don't see doubling at all.

There's a reason for that. Anaglyph is what I refer to as a VERY fragile format. And that increases times two or three when color anaglyph is attempted. And when a stereoscopic source is encoded as a "Color" anaglyph in an attempt to preserve the original colors, it often distorts color and can inadvertently increases crosstalk. Most anaglyph comic books do what is called B&W anaglyph.

But more to the point- With comic books, b&w anaglyph can use selective inks to optimize color accuracy. Color can also be optimized on a computer. When I make an anaglyph jpeg, I don't handle it like I would make a standard jpeg. The color is degraded in typical jpeg encodes .. which can result in increased ghosting. The same goes for video. In both the analog and digital consumer delivery formats for video, the image is compressed in some form or another to get it to fit in the space needed. While digital provides component video, which helps reduce ghosting, the color spectrum in both digital SD and HD is decimated quite a bit. Unlike a professional video master which is often 4:4:4 (the color has full bandwidth), DVD and all of the Blu-Ray video specified video codecs are 4:2:0. That's a big limitation for anaglyph on video, right after color anaglyph encoding. Because it is HD, Blu inherently provides more chroma bandwidth than DVD, so it's a smidge better ..but still has the 4:2:0 limitation.
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Thanks GregK for the explanation.

However, it still doesn't explain (or I just don't get it ) why I still see doubling (although at a far less severity, not distracting, but still noticable) at Disney World (polarization technique, with digital projection) and at Imax (LCD sequential technique).

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Each 3-D delivery format can have crosstalk if various things are not set up properly. Add to that "torture test" material with high contrasts, and ghosting may be more noticable during those times than in others. There are things that can be done with each respective 3-D format to minimize or totally eliminate crosstalk, depending on the 3-D format and the given set-up. One could end up writing a book on the subject, but just remember anaglyph is by far normally the worst offender.
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Xylon, I just noticed you posted a new 3-D pic earlier today! ...Is it possible for you to post a "gimmick" 3-D shot, like the 2-D pics shown in post #2?
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Xylon, I just noticed you posted a new 3-D pic earlier today! ...Is it possible for you to post a "gimmick" 3-D shot, like the 2-D pics shown in post #2?

Sure, just keep watching this Chris Hans . . . . . eerr Miley Cyrus thread
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