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This is the very first HD transfer, right?
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This is the very first HD transfer, right?

Its the very first s*d*mized version. We are still wating for the real HD transfer
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Its the very first s*d*mized version. We are still wating for the real HD transfer

Which version is the dvd you posted? It doesn't look like the Gaumont version. I just watched that one and the quality is a lot better on my Lumagen upscaled to 1080p than what you show. The Gaumont version is nearly 100% of the movie. I have no idea why they cut the cellar scene after the wedding?

But really, why do we need hi-res poo platters? ewww
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The DVD caps are from the Criterion reissue (2008), as stated elsewhere in this thread. The extra scene you mention is missing from non-BFI releases (including the Gaumont and both of the Criterions) because it apparently exists only in the BFI's print -- even the camera negative doesn't have it, nor do any of the materials held by the Pasolini Foundation. Nobody seems to know how this happened, but it wasn't Gaumont's decision to cut the scene.
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What he said ^^^^^

Criterion reissue DVD.
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Wow... Don't think he really watched it
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Typical lazy cut and paste reviews by people who wouldn't know the difference between HD and dvd without the logos on the disc. Just embarrassing.
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Review is by pro-bassoonist. One would think 2 film restoration experts telling him that this is a DNR wreck would be enough to fix his review, but apparently not.
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Typical lazy cut and paste reviews by people who wouldn't know the difference between HD and dvd without the logos on the disc. Just embarrassing.

Sometimes I think there might be a kind of preconception of a label bringing out rare and art movies which is that they treat all their titles right or that they would not accept anything that does not meet a high quality standard.

I guess this disc shows that at times we still get delivered a very very substandard title....

In any case Salo is an interesting case as it shows how processing the image far too much results in a picture that now is not even a match for a DVD version of the same movie.

And while I can kind of reluctantly understand how Patton might have passed quality control because it looks so "nice and clean" and still has a certain amount of detail I am at a loss how this effort made it all the way to Blu-Ray as it seems that what processing was done only made it uglier even for those who might like the look of Patton.

Are there any more Blu-Ray releases from BFI with full resolution screencaps posted ?
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Unbelievable.
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I've now had an opportunity to peruse the Blu-ray of Salo, and here's what I'm seeing.

The film appears to have been scanned on the wrong equipment, as notches have affected the stability of every shot. If a facility does not have the means to correct these problems digitally, the element should be scanned pin-registered, which should be unaffected, or far less affected, by the timing notches.

The entire film appears to have been processed to remove grain, with additional processing in an attempt to make it look more like film. It does not. The final result is fully digital.

Because of the processing, high frequency information has been lost.

All in all, at least to my eye, not a pretty picture, and assuming that earlier information is correct, none of these problems stem from the BFI.

RAH

I know the quote is months old but man, Robert Harris is such a humble, respectful dude; even when he says your transfer is garbage it sounds like a compliment.
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Typical lazy cut and paste reviews by people who wouldn't know the difference between HD and dvd without the logos on the disc. Just embarrassing.

An embarrassing review and you know Whiggles who is excellent with his reviews and spots these things instantly also writes for that site.

The remarks about how grain is a "problem" that disappears once the film starts alerted me to the fact the reviewer is not really with it. If you think this guys bad go read some of DVD Therapy and it's reviews.

Here is my one and only "professional" review for that site....I would totally rewrite it if i had the chance today as the edge enhancement on that release is horrible but when i reviewed it my knowledge was nowhere near what it is today and i was viewing on a smaller screen.

http://www.dvdtherapy.com/review_info.php?id=209
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Wow, the gift that keeps on giving (horrifying shots to gawk at in disbelief! ). Look at the women's legs in the BD shot, it's like a low-res PS1 videogame polygon model.
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Well I'm sure the PQ will improve when watching the movie

I guarantee it!!!
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Not to bring the war into this, but the reviewer from Blu-ray.com (if it is pro-bassoonist) was always a heavy blu-ray fanboy/apologist. I wonder if this clouds his judgment, or if he's just too big of fan of the fim. No reviewer worth his or her salt should judge by "this looks better than the DVD". Yes, there's more detail, but it's also color-shifted into the green (didn't know I was watching the Matrix), filled with noise, and is muddied by an attempt at DNR. Has he seen it on film? I'd highly doubt this is "the best thing out there".

I know some companies aren't going to fork out the bucks for a full quality scan on niche titles, but releasing garbage like this is just stupid.
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