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Excellent PQ on both HD DVD and Blu-ray. But which one is better? By AVS standard? Well, that will be Blu-ray. It has little bit less artifacting on fast motion. It won't be discernible while in motion doing side by side comparison but its there.

If you are willing to pay for the boxset which is very unfortunate since this movie is the only one worth watching and reviewing for me. Its a safe buy. No additional DNR. Universal batting 1.000 this year.
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HD DVD File size: 18.0 GB

Bitrate: 18.79 mbps




Code:
                                                                                        Total   Video
Title                                   Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track        IME     Secondary Audio Track
-----                                   -----   ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- -------------------     ---     ---------------------
The Fast and the Furious                VC-1    1:46:50 18,338,797,568*~25,360,692,683  22.88  ~18.79   DDPlus 5.1 1536Kbps     Yes


Blu-ray File size: 40.00 GB

Bitrate: 28.52 mbps


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                            

                 
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track         

                 Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------       

                 ---------------------
00000.MPLS                                                      VC-1    1:46:57 31,568,916,480  41,288,419,802  39.35   28.52   DTS-HD Master 5.1 

4590Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) 


DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     TFATF
Disc Size:      41,288,419,802 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.1

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Size:                   31,568,916,480 bytes
Length:                 1:46:57 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          39.35 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
VC-1 Video              28517 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3
VC-1 Video              2001 kbps           480p / 23.976 fps / 4:3 / Advanced Profile 2
VC-1 Video              84 kbps             480p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 2

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4590 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4590 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio                       French          768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       Spanish         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
DTS Express                     English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         29.488 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          24.896 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         24.598 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00010.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:46:57.411     31,568,916,480  39,354          

CHAPTERS:

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10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
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-------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
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00:36:17.550    160,347 bytes   535,932 bytes   00:37:14.148    
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00:39:38.000    154,615 bytes   569,115 bytes   00:40:56.287    
9               0:44:56.402     0:10:30.087     29,120 kbps     44,929 kbps     00:53:33.710    38,530 kbps     00:51:34.591    34,639 kbps     

00:46:06.054    151,821 bytes   614,747 bytes   00:53:32.584    
10              0:55:26.489     0:03:13.943     23,303 kbps     36,841 kbps     00:55:29.492    33,556 kbps     00:55:27.949    32,594 kbps     

00:55:27.324    121,491 bytes   447,111 bytes   00:57:45.712    
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01:00:42.347    143,686 bytes   470,727 bytes   01:00:47.101    
12              1:01:45.743     0:07:39.375     29,465 kbps     42,820 kbps     01:02:33.833    34,160 kbps     01:01:53.918    33,751 kbps     

01:01:53.918    153,615 bytes   673,613 bytes   01:03:06.783    
13              1:09:25.119     0:02:36.906     30,753 kbps     45,607 kbps     01:11:01.215    35,240 kbps     01:11:11.934    33,828 kbps     

01:11:11.767    160,333 bytes   523,285 bytes   01:11:01.257    
14              1:12:02.026     0:03:21.659     30,547 kbps     43,422 kbps     01:12:57.456    35,031 kbps     01:12:53.535    34,512 kbps     

01:12:48.530    159,258 bytes   525,258 bytes   01:12:55.079    
15              1:15:23.685     0:05:20.486     25,950 kbps     38,383 kbps     01:15:53.799    32,993 kbps     01:15:51.129    31,894 kbps     

01:15:46.291    135,294 bytes   514,173 bytes   01:17:55.420    
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17              1:29:59.811     0:04:58.506     29,230 kbps     39,843 kbps     01:31:41.412    33,172 kbps     01:33:33.816    31,664 kbps     

01:32:18.407    152,390 bytes   589,825 bytes   01:33:32.857    
18              1:34:58.317     0:03:07.145     29,075 kbps     42,244 kbps     01:35:52.788    34,589 kbps     01:35:22.633    32,429 kbps     

01:35:22.466    151,581 bytes   565,040 bytes   01:36:35.414    
19              1:38:05.462     0:01:52.529     29,090 kbps     42,618 kbps     01:39:29.546    35,199 kbps     01:39:28.671    33,061 kbps     

01:39:28.671    151,661 bytes   537,969 bytes   01:39:08.192    
20              1:39:57.992     0:06:59.418     23,370 kbps     41,657 kbps     01:45:09.553    34,447 kbps     01:46:37.474    32,485 kbps     

01:46:32.469    122,033 bytes   599,705 bytes   01:45:03.422    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           

Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   

-----           
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124,417,319     
00010.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           6417.286                4,591                   3,682,385,432   

21,013,594      
00010.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             spa (Spanish)           6417.286                768                     616,072,192     

3,609,798       
00010.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            6417.286                768                     616,072,192     

3,609,798       
00010.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           6417.286                192                     154,018,560     

1,002,725       
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136,935         
00010.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           6417.286                25                      19,732,120      

113,664         
00010.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            6417.286                25                      19,971,163      

114,956         
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902,460         
00010.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0xEA            VC-1                                    6417.286                2,001                   1,605,232,829   

8,816,634       
00010.M2TS      6913 (0x1B01)   0xEA            VC-1                                    6417.286                84                      67,738,712      

468,534
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BD cap looks better than the HD DVD with slightly elevated contrast/black levels and fine grain structure.

Blu-ray : 340
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this BD was the reference for sound quality,the engine sound kicked my room.
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I dont see any significant dif.
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similar improvement as seen with the bourne trilogy (though a little less obvious)

not quite enough to make me trade in my HD DVD (unless i find the bluray dirt cheap)
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HD DVD has noticeable blocking in the close ups.
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Anyone have trouble with the dialog/center channel audio on The Fast and the Furious 1? The sound effects were pumped up way loud, and the dialog seemed it was recorded too low.
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Anyone have trouble with the dialog/center channel audio on The Fast and the Furious 1? The sound effects were pumped up way loud, and the dialog seemed it was recorded too low.

Where do you have your Center speaker?
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Anyone have trouble with the dialog/center channel audio on The Fast and the Furious 1? The sound effects were pumped up way loud, and the dialog seemed it was recorded too low.

I noticed this too.
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They look very close to me. I'll probably hold on to my HD DVD for awhile.
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BD cap looks better than the HD DVD with slightly elevated contrast/black levels and fine grain structure.

You have better eyes than me....I have a NEC 20WMGX2 (AS-IPS panel) calibrated with an Eye-one Pro and I can't much if any difference at all..

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This is exactly like the Bourne releases; excellent PQ but now more finely resolved grain structure! They are plenty good enough on HD DVD, but get that little extra oomph on Blu-ray. You'd really never notice the blocking artifacts in the scene with Paul Walker, but it's great that they didn't re-purpose the old transfer.
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Check out the Paul Walker face comparison.

There seems to be some slight horizontal stretching on the Blu-ray version...


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For those still on the fence on if the blocking is there or not there, here is an assist on where to look:

hdvd HFview



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Holy crap! the HD-DVD is a blockfest in comparision.
Though I doubt I would be able to notice it in motion

Thanx again Universal for NOT using DNR
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If you can't see it, it didn't happen!

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Check out the Paul Walker face comparison.

There seems to be some slight horizontal stretching on the Blu-ray version...

nope... if you really want to test put your mouse pointer on any reference point then scroll up/down
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Check out the Paul Walker face comparison.

There seems to be some slight horizontal stretching on the Blu-ray version...

Your eyes are playing tricks on you.
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Your eyes are playing tricks on you.

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There is NO stretching at all compared to the HD-DVD.
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They look pretty much the same to me. The only reason I'd want to upgrade would be for the sound.
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