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post #61 of 723 Old 12-13-2008, 12:28 PM - Thread Starter
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Bummer, House. Wish I could've cancelled my order for the very expensive Japanese edition.

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According to an insider at another site, this Japanese transfer (but with a different encode) will be used for the future Lionsgate release.
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I haven't been following the situation closely, but is the actual transfer used for the Japanese release new? Or is it the same recycled transfer with some different processing "enhancements?"

Either way, I'm happy enough with the image quality on the UK release. It may very well be the case that there isn't much more to gain from this film.
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Jeff Kleist of the Digital Bits says that it's a new transfer, although it does indeed look pretty soft still. I guess a Japanese company couldn't go back to the original negatives though (Mr. Kleist didn't give many details), so perhaps they only used an interpositive or later generation film material for the transfer. Hopefully a full restoration will happen in the future, perhaps for the 20th anniversary in 2011.
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Ahh to wait for a full restoration or to get the German Steelbook or Japanese Platinum Edition.

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The StudioCanal releases might have the best quality, but I'd say the Extreme Edition DVD gets the best value award. A reference-quality DVD transfer with a couple extras and the best HD version available if you can ignore the roughly broadcast-quality compression

So it seems the WMV-HD disc is the best one as picture quality and detail. Is it also the less cropped version? If I'm not wrong the D-Theater version released by Artisan share the same master but is 1920x1080i and with higher bitrate. As far as I remember there are some macroblocking in the WMV-HD version, for example in head titles with fire flames.
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This film needs a full restoration like Warner did with Blade Runner. The film simply looks soft. And a movie of this caliber shouldn't be. Maybe when the new Terminator flick hits the screen, we'll see a re-release.

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Added pics from both Japanese discs. I think this "new master" thing is BS. It looks the same down to the framing, colors, individual specs of grain. Just a little blurrier than the StudioCanal encodes.

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Here follow 2 terrible screenshots of WMV-HD edition taken with MPC-HC and saved in PNG format, bitrate is really too low even if resolution is lowered to 1440 vertical lines:





I confirm WMV-HD has some more lines on top and bottom of screen but not at sides. Anyway it's exactly the same master used for D-Theater tape by Artisan which is 1920x1080 even if interlaced, but it has higher bitrate and no artifacts.
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It needs a new master full stop.

There is print damage in the same places on the UK and US BRD's you can check the JP discs to see if it is a new master and the WMV-HD

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Those print artifacts are there on the Japanese release as well. Who still believes the "new master" line?

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Those print artifacts are there on the Japanese release as well. Who still believes the "new master" line?

A "new master" does not necessarily mean a complete restoration.

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It's a new master of the same moldy transfer.
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You mean new encode. The japanese so far look the best. Sod all the other versions. (the TC on the japanese BR also looks inferior to the SE, which is the same as the 2003 Extreme Edition master, but with better encoding and colors). All the old T2 dvds are rendered useless by this japanese version, except for the missing bonuses.
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The japanese so far look the best.

The screenshots on the first page of this thread prove you wrong. At least as far as I can see...
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Come May 19, 2009 we get to start all new comparisons with the release of Terminator 2 Skynet Edition on Blu-ray. Info here.
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Terminator 2

From highdefdigest.com. Is it an upgrade? Yes and no.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/2152...r2_skynet.html
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From highdefdigest.com. Is it an upgrade? Yes and no.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/2152...r2_skynet.html

I'll stick with my UK import

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Did anyone find the video portion of this review confusing/contradictory?

"So here we go again with the 'Skynet Edition,' which Lionsgate is whipping out just in time for the theatrical debut of the upcoming sequel, 'Terminator Salvation.' But don't expect anything new -- this 1080p/VC-1 encode (2.35:1) offers no truly appreciable upgrade over the previous Blu-ray (which I reviewed upon first release back in 2006)."

followed a couple paragraphs later by

"The disc's VC-1 encode is far better than the previous Blu-ray, however, with none of the motion artifacts, edginess or pixelization that so rankled last time."
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Exactly, I really want to replace this DVD but I'll wait for more reviews and hopefully some comparison pics right here.

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HDD has the most inconsistent reviews

and if you're wanting to upgrade your DVD get the UK or Japanese version

even the existing lionsgate bluray is an upgrade

this one is DNRed (see page 4 of the other skynet edition thread for a couple of comparisons)
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I'll stick with my UK import

Same here. Cameron's apparently going back to redo the master after Avatar wraps up, and the import is more than enough to keep me entertained until then.

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yeah i'm holding on to my existing bluray until they release the 20th anniversary edition with a new transfer
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Must pick this one.The review sound great to me especially the sound in HD.
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I wouldn't trust Peter M. Bracke review at all. People wait for a more credible reviewer before making a decision.
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Didn't Brache claim the new X3 looked better when in fact it had the same encode as the original version? lol
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I just can't wait to get that cool EndoSkeleton Terminator head. It will look cool on my popcorn machine...

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It´s hard to get excited of "Terminator 2" these days after all the re-releases on various formats. Enough already!
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I traded my 'T2' BD in so that I could get the extended cut on the 'Skynet Edition'. Has the extended cut been available on any hidef format previously, HDDVD or otherwise?

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I traded my 'T2' BD in so that I could get the extended cut on the 'Skynet Edition'. Has the extended cut been available on any hidef format previously, HDDVD or otherwise?

I sold mine the second this Skynet edition was announced.

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