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post #31 of 67 Old 09-26-2009, 02:19 PM
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I have the Dutch version. Both cuts are indeed together on a single BD-50. They are obviously separate encodes, each with their own color timing during the whole picture (see example below).




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Is the Dutch version a 2 disc set?

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Jojos, just to confirm. The Dutch release is uncut, right? The butterfly knife is intact in both versions? The UK release should be the same disc, seeing as Dutch subtitles are included.
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The butterfly knife sequence is uncut in both versions
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The butterfly knife sequence is uncut in both versions

Thanks for your great post at the top of the page Jojos!

Is there any chance you could confirm the specs and extras on the disc? Do both cuts definitely have Dolby TrueHD English and all the extras from the Paramount version for example? What's the picture quality like? Are both cuts free from compression artefacts?

Also does the disc have any BBFC ratings symbols on it (they look like THIS)? I'm hoping it does coz it will mean we're getting the same uncut version as The Netherlands!
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Thanks for your great post at the top of the page Jojos!

You're welcome.
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Is there any chance you could confirm the specs and extras on the disc? Do both cuts definitely have Dolby TrueHD English and all the extras from the Paramount version for example?

Extras are the same as the US blu-ray release by Paramount, with the addition of some short interview clips from the cast. The audio commentary is only for the director's cut.
Both cuts are provided with an English Dolby TrueHD soundtrack (16-bit judging from bitrate). German and Spanish dubs are in DD 640 kbps.
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What's the picture quality like? Are both cuts free from compression artefacts?

I didn't watch the whole movie yet, only parts of it. From what I saw, the director's cut looks very much like the US MPEG-2 version. Good level of detail, no sign of DNR. Compression isn't pefect (not a surprise considering it's VC-1 at ~15-18 Mbps) but not an issue either (some backgrounds are little noisy, that's all).
The theatrical version is also good, but looks a little softer overall.

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Also does the disc have any BBFC ratings symbols on it (they look like THIS)? I'm hoping it does coz it will mean we're getting the same uncut version as The Netherlands!

The logos are present so it's very likely the UK will get the same uncut version.





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ohhh... its a single disc. ?!?!?!?!..


its the same GERMAN disc..... german rating is also on it...
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Thanks very much Jojos. Will pick up the UK version from amazon.co.uk which is priced at $18.

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After watching the TC of Payback I had zero desire to own it in any format, I thought it was so so at best. I picked up Helgeland’s DC on DVD because of a favorable review and after watching it IMO it’s a much better movie. So, hubba hubba hubba I would and will own it in BD
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Thanks for all that, Jojos. No mention of TrueHD on the cover or the menu screens, though. It's definitely there, right?
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Got my UK disc today not got it out of the disc yet
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Got my UK disc today not got it out of the disc yet

As usual, please do not forget to post some screenshots.

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Thanks for all that, Jojos. No mention of TrueHD on the cover or the menu screens, though. It's definitely there, right?

Warner has switched to having the TrueHD track play by default, with the lossy alternative just being the core of the TrueHD. No longer are there separate DD and TrueHD options in the menu. This is much better as the TrueHD track plays by default if your equipment can handle it, and the lossy DD core is played automatically otherwise.

And I also have the UK Payback disc and can confirm that both cuts have TrueHD.
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Warner has switched to having the TrueHD track play by default, with the lossy alternative just being the core of the TrueHD. No longer are there separate DD and TrueHD options in the menu. This is much better as the TrueHD track plays by default if your equipment can handle it, and the lossy DD core is played automatically otherwise.

I get all that. But why wouldn't they mention the TrueHD at all, either on the disc's menu or on the packaging (at least for Jojos' cover above)?

I'm not disputing that it's there, I'm just thinking out loud.
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I get all that. But why wouldn't they mention the TrueHD at all, either on the disc's menu or on the packaging (at least for Jojos' cover above)?

I'm not disputing that it's there, I'm just thinking out loud.

Well the menu is just what the language is, no mention of format for any of the languages. As for the cover, that is odd. On the UK packaging, it does say TrueHD. I'm not sure why it doesn't on the Dutch version's cover, just a typo I guess.
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Has anyone confirmed for sure that it's region free yet? I have a copy ordered from amazon.co.uk
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Has anyone confirmed for sure that it's region free yet? I have a copy ordered from amazon.co.uk

I sure hope it is. Mine dispatched from Amazon UK about 6 days ago.

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Has anyone confirmed for sure that it's region free yet? I have a copy ordered from amazon.co.uk

Warner does not use region-coding.
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From what I saw, the director's cut looks very much like the US MPEG-2 version. Good level of detail, no sign of DNR. Compression isn't pefect (not a surprise considering it's VC-1 at ~15-18 Mbps) but not an issue either (some backgrounds are little noisy, that's all).
The theatrical version is also good, but looks a little softer overall.

I just got in the UK version today and agree wholeheartedly with this assessment; the DC looks identical to the Paramount U.S. release. The theatrical cut looks acceptable, though softer (the tiny pinstriping to Mel's tank top at the beginning of Chapter 3, which is easily perceived in the DC, is much harder to make out in the theatrical version; additionally, though still a darker, more filtered look, the theatrical version doesn't look as steely blue as I remember).
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Very glad to see this coming out, I can't stand the directors cut! It sucks, as the added/alternate scenes and story line work fine, better in some ways than the theatrical cut. What kills it for me is the incredibly irritating jazz score that WILL NOT shut up during the entire movie! Sounds like a bad temp score, and probably is given how the DC came about.

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It really amazes me that there are people who like the Director's cut at all, much less claim to prefer it over the infinitely-superior theatrical cut. The TC is a night-and-day improvement over the original idea. It takes an outright bad movie script and makes it moderately decent.

But whatever. Different strokes for different folks.

Considering that the two versions of the movie have entirely different color timing, I'm going to have to assume that this disc will contain two separate encodes. Seamless branching wouldn't work.

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I just got in the UK version today and agree wholeheartedly with this assessment; the DC looks identical to the Paramount U.S. release. The theatrical cut looks acceptable, though softer (the tiny pinstriping to Mel's tank top at the beginning of Chapter 3, which is easily perceived in the DC, is much harder to make out in the theatrical version; additionally, though still a darker, more filtered look, the theatrical version doesn't look as steely blue as I remember).

Call me crazy, but I thought the DC looked slightly better than the HD-DVD when I A-B'd them. Either way, the DC looks a lot better than the theatrical cut. I'm guessing WB used the old DVD master whereas the DC got a new transfer just a couple years ago.

If you're a fan though, it's worth importing. You get both cuts, all the extras(minus the trailers), and they look and sound pretty good.
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Hurray for me!

If you're going to quote a previous post and then intentionally change the text of it to make it look like the person said something different than they really did, the appropriate response for you to add underneath is "Fixed" with a smiley, to indicate that you've made a joke. Nice try, though.

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Now that I've A/B'ed the U.S. SD-DVD of the theatrical cut with this BD, it appears my memory of everything in it looking steely blue was a bit overworked. Having said that, the DVD still looks a tad more blue than this BD, but for all intents and purposes, the image of the theatrical cut on BD looks correct (though, again, less detailed than the DC).
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For those with the UK version, does the front cover really look like a cheapish picture? Sort of like a photocopy or printed from a still shot of the movie image?

Just making sure I received an authentic copy. Thanks.

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If you're going to quote a previous post and then intentionally change the text of it to make it look like the person said something different than they really did, the appropriate response for you to add underneath is "Fixed" with a smiley, to indicate that you've made a joke. Nice try, though.

Fixed.

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23.12Mbps MPEG-2 vs 18.06Mbps VC-1 vs 17.84Mbps VC-1

Paramount's HD DVD uses yet another encode, 22.56Mbps AVC. I don't have it for comparison.

The TC is practically monochromatic. And for whatever reason, Warner's encode of it appears far more able to keep up with the grain than their DC encode.

EDIT: Color differences between Blu-ray.com shots and the other DC shots are due to their capture method.

Added HD DVD shots courtesy of eric.exe.

Mouseovers of UK BD vs HD DVD

Paramount US BD vs Paramount HD DVD vs Warner UK BD: DC vs Warner UK BD: TC

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For those with the UK version, does the front cover really look like a cheapish picture? Sort of like a photocopy or printed from a still shot of the movie image?

Since no one has answered yet, yes it does look like a poor quality blow-up of a frame from the movie. The actual cover also looks degrained compared to the promo art, oddly enough, but I guess the printers couldn't handle those finer details.

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