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post #3091 of 3180 Old 04-09-2014, 08:42 PM
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It'd be great to see some kind of audio standard that people could strive for. Picture standards have been around for a long time (rec 709) which means that people with vastly different setups can get their sets dialed in as close as possible to that standard. And once everyone is seeing roughly the same thing, they can have all kinds of in depth discussions about these movies. As for audio, since everyone's rooms, gear, and setups are different, we aren't all hearing the same things while we watch the same blu rays.

I'm not sure if it's even possible to come up with some kind of audio standard? The closest thing would be trying to get everyone's freq response as flat as possible but that is an incredibly difficult task for most people. It's a shame too as I enjoy blu ray audio far more than the picture and would like to talk about it more.
It's already been done, they call it THX. THX came up with a uniform set of audio standards for a variety of different home environments. I think people pay less and less attention to it, these days.

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It's already been done, they call it THX. THX came up with a uniform set of audio standards for a variety of different home environments. I think people pay less and less attention to it, these days.

THX is not a standard for production. It is a set of guidelines for equipment performance.

The recommended professional techniques have also been long out of favor... The crossover performance is well exceeded by current equipment, although the room setup guidelines still have a lot of merit.

We have a standard room tuning as well as a SPL standard for cinema production emviroents. If one wants to follow those standards it is a good place to start.
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Recently watched Gravity for the first time. Fun mix as it had a bit of everything like cool panning sounds that went around the room, plenty of bass from the tether yo-yo ing, and clear dialogue throughout. Too bad the re-watchability is not high. Reference

Also watched Hot Fuzz for the first time in awhile. This movie has crazy amounts of bass throughout, which I understand was the goal as this movie is a spoof/homage to those 80's and 90's action movies. Surround speakers get a workout too, especially at the end. Tier 0 (too hot)
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Gravity is a great mix!

Wasn't the film in 7.1 theatrically cause the disc I rented was 5.1?

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Gravity is a great mix!

Wasn't the film in 7.1 theatrically cause the disc I rented was 5.1?

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Yeah it was in Dolby Atmos 7.1 in theaters. Incredible mix even in 5.1. One of the best IMO.

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I would have to give THOR 2: The Dark World : Tier REFERENCE and Kick Ass 2 Tier REFERENCE...
Both great sounding tracks on BluRay... there doesn't seem to be much activity in this topic.. hopefully we can get some more...
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I would have to give THOR 2: The Dark World : Tier REFERENCE and Kick Ass 2 Tier REFERENCE...
Both great sounding tracks on BluRay... there doesn't seem to be much activity in this topic.. hopefully we can get some more...
yea, why aren't they updating the list? Seems like last movie added was at least 2 years ago?

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Must add Maleficent to this thread. Great dialogue and general 7.1 surroundyness. Impressed with the CG on this also, particularly the miniature fairies with human faces fluttering around.
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I finally watched the Evil Dead remake and was mightily impressed by its fantastic sound design. The 5.1 DTS-HD MA soundtrack would have been included on my personal 2013 best-of list if I had heard it. Easily a top-shelf demo piece.

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Lone Survivor should be on this list for sure !!!
Fantastic audio (and video !)
IMO in the highest list.
Fantastic use of surrounds throughout the whole movie, and great dynamics in general during the whole movie. Sounds so real that you think you are really there with them.
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Really surprised Oblivion isn't on the list yet. Wasn't it the first Atmos soundtrack down sampled to 7.1? It sounds amazing.

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Really surprised Oblivion isn't on the list yet. Wasn't it the first Atmos soundtrack down sampled to 7.1? It sounds amazing.
I thought that title went to Transformers 4?

In terms of LFE, size does matter!
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I thought that title went to Transformers 4?
According to this article Disney's Frozen was the first Atmos movie and it sounds like Oblivion was the first Atmos movie done natively in Atmos where Frozen was in 7.1 then mixed in Atmos. I think Transformers is the first Atmos Blu-ray.

http://www.gizmag.com/dolby-atmos-3d...nalysis/30947/

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Now that I have heard the GODZILLA mix I have to count that as reference! Not because of the deep bass effects, but the dialog and music was so clear in addition to awesome panning effects between all 7 speakers!

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In my opinion, Godzilla is beyond reference. It is the most exhilarating home theater audio experience I have ever witnessed. We watched Transformers 4 a few days before and as good as it is, Godzilla is just astonishing. As far as the bass is concerned, they really should have a disclaimer at the beginning of this movie. I have little doubt that it will be responsible for more than a few blown speakers / subwoofers. Be careful with this one!!
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I enjoyed Godzilla, but clipping and lacking bass extension keep this track from a possible reference rating IMO.
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I enjoyed Godzilla, but clipping and lacking bass extension keep this track from a possible reference rating IMO.
I heard no clipping and in some scenes the bass extension had to be below 15Hz.
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I heard no clipping and in some scenes the bass extension had to be below 15Hz.
Both the clipping and lacking extension have been objectively measured on data-bass.com. There is nothing significant below about 25 hz or so which you can see on data-bass and I would link for you if I wasnt on my phone. Both issues were obvious in my setup. Again though, I still very much enjoyed the audio even in light of those two issues.
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Nohjy,

Here you go....lots of good info on Godzilla audio in this thread. Check out the comparison to Pacific Rim, Cloverfield and WOTW in the first post which will put the lacking extension in perspective.

http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.p...n-poll-closed/
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Lone Survivor should be on this list for sure !!!
Fantastic audio (and video !)
IMO in the highest list.
Fantastic use of surrounds throughout the whole movie, and great dynamics in general during the whole movie. Sounds so real that you think you are really there with them.
yepp, lone survivor is awesome audio track and video, I personal think is the best this audio/video this year
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Nohjy,

Here you go....lots of good info on Godzilla audio in this thread. Check out the comparison to Pacific Rim, Cloverfield and WOTW in the first post which will put the lacking extension in perspective.

http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.p...n-poll-closed/
Wow. It just goes to show you that many people in this hobby spend way too much time objectively testing content and not enough time subjectively enjoying it.
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Wow. It just goes to show you that many people in this hobby spend way too much time objectively testing content and not enough time subjectively enjoying it.

Oh, those guys certainly enjoy it as well if you read their posts and they appreciate a great LFE track as much or more than any other bass head when they happen. But that is all besides the point. The whole reason to go to the trouble to measure LFE response and clipping in the first place is to know exactly what is on the track and take all the variables OUT of subjective impressions. The fact is we are all running different subs, with different responses in different rooms and have different preferences and the beauty of the graphs is it shows you exactly what is on the disc before any of those variables come into play. The fact is Godzilla has relatively weak LFE extension compared to the best tracks on blu ray and clips, but whether or not you notice these issues and/or they bother you depends on many variables. I noticed both issues in my system as I mentioned, but the clipping in particular was especially bothersome and I am not usually very sensitive to it, but it was too blatant to ignore at times.

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Toe , get ready to be disappointed with " How to train your dragon 2 " in the bass department. It's as bad as the Hobbit films.

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Toe , get ready to be disappointed with " How to train your dragon 2 " in the bass department. It's as bad as the Hobbit films.
Wow! That bad! Thanks for the report and that is a huge bummer.
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Oh, those guys certainly enjoy it as well if you read their posts and they appreciate a great LFE track as much or more than any other bass head when they happen. But that is all besides the point. The whole reason to go to the trouble to measure LFE response and clipping in the first place is to know exactly what is on the track and take all the variables OUT of subjective impressions. The fact is we are all running different subs, with different responses in different rooms and have different preferences and the beauty of the graphs is it shows you exactly what is on the disc before any of those variables come into play. The fact is Godzilla has relatively weak LFE extension compared to the best tracks on blu ray and clips, but whether or not you notice these issues and/or they bother you depends on many variables. I noticed both issues in my system as I mentioned, but the clipping in particular was especially bothersome and I am not usually very sensitive to it, but it was too blatant to ignore at times.
This sounds bad but what does bass clipping sound like?
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Both the clipping and lacking extension have been objectively measured on data-bass.com. There is nothing significant below about 25 hz or so which you can see on data-bass and I would link for you if I wasnt on my phone. Both issues were obvious in my setup. Again though, I still very much enjoyed the audio even in light of those two issues.
Sounds like Avatar to me. Why Studios keep messing around is beyond me.

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Toe , get ready to be disappointed with " How to train your dragon 2 " in the bass department. It's as bad as the Hobbit films.
That sucks. So it is like KFP2 then?

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yepp, lone survivor is awesome audio track and video, I personal think is the best this audio/video this year
Yes, and what an intense film!
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How to train your Dragon 2 (DTS HD MA) Tier 2

This has to be one of the biggest letdowns of recent memory for me, which has prompted me to once again post a recommendation in this once frequently visited thread by me. Yes the bass has no extensions or any decent amplitude, but even the higher fr's come across "polite", in other word it has no bite or lacks dynamics. Now this isn't a loud compressed track, not at all. This is a rather timid track and recorded and mixed this way from the ground up. Which is why turning it up won't do you any good. If it's something just not there you can't amplify it. In other ways it's a competent track, but nothing stands out not in a positive way. Too bad!
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