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Rathbone 02-19-2010 08:38 AM

Review:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCom...6thchamber.htm

Comparison with the French release (screenshot of the DD disc taken from DVDBeaver)

US (DVDBeaver):


French:

sharkcohen 02-19-2010 08:53 AM

Combing makes my eyes bleed

42041 02-19-2010 09:14 AM

Don't assume DVDbeaver's screencaps are accurate. They often introduce artifacts and issues that simply aren't in the real disc.
Go look at their Invention of Lying review. It's certainly not a great looking film but it does not have that combing and vertical resolution loss at all, that's a flaw of their captures.

xradman 02-19-2010 09:30 AM

I cancelled my order. You would think that a major studio like Weinstein/Vivendi would know how to master a Blu-ray by now. Who is running these operations? Bunch of monkeys?

Paul Arnette 02-19-2010 09:37 AM

While I never got a warm fuzzy about these releases due to Weinstein/Vivendi's involvement, I agree with 42041 in that you cannot take DVD Beaver's screencaps as gospel. In fact they're usually near worthless, but sometimes you can see enough problems present to make an educated guess. This looks like one of those times and it does not bode well for The Killer either.

42041 02-19-2010 09:52 AM

Quickly going through some of the Beaver's other recent reviews: The Hangover and Jennifer's Body have incorrect RGB range conversion, Harry Potter 6 is another one someone pointed out in another thread, Seabiscuit and Black Dynamite have the same combing issue... all of them are low-quality JPEG images... The disc may well be rubbish, but you might want to confirm with a more credible source first before making thread titles like this.

Rathbone 02-19-2010 10:52 AM

Even if the beaver caps are not correct. The difference can't be THAT huge to even remotely match the sharpness and detail of the french version. I wonder which deinterlacer they used. Looks like Bob.

Regarding the jpg size. I did some other comparisons with DVDBeaver caps and compared them to png caps of discs I own myself (e.g. The Ladykillers). There is virtually no visible difference in detail or artifacting.

eric.exe 02-19-2010 11:47 AM

The French release has some really horrible scratch filtering errors. In the opening when Sun Te is swinging the double sided spear around, half the time the ends are completely filtered out and it looks like he's flailing around a twig.

And ya, the DVDBeaver shots looks like they are improperly taken. They also should have taken shots of only the progressive frames.

raoul_duke 02-19-2010 02:24 PM

Oh, Rathbone...

Dan Average 02-19-2010 10:23 PM

The DD Blu is over 4 1/2 minutes shorter than their DVD and roughly the same as the PAL-sourced Celestial disc. So presumably the BD is from a 50Hz source, but then why isn't that also the case with the DVD?

And on the subject of sloppy work from DVD Beaver, their caps of the DD DVD are horrible. I don't see how anyone could look at those (#5 in particular) and not realize that something went badly awry in the capping process.

Quote:
The French release has some really horrible scratch filtering errors. In the opening when Sun Te is swinging the double sided spear around, half the time the ends are completely filtered out and it looks like he's flailing around a twig.

...and that's some pretty severe cropping in Rathbone's comparison. As the French say, le sigh.

Stevie76 02-20-2010 03:02 AM

Wait so there is a french BD out?
Or is that the french DVD version that happens to be sharper than the horrid US BD?

Rathbone 02-20-2010 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Average View Post

The DD Blu is over 4 1/2 minutes shorter than their DVD and roughly the same as the PAL-sourced Celestial disc. So presumably the BD is from a 50Hz source, but then why isn't that also the case with the DVD?

Celestial remastered their DVD releases in PAL. Thats the reason why the HK DVDs looked so horrible (combing, ghosting) compared to PAL releases.
So yes, it's possible that DD's source Material is indeed 50 Hz.

Quote:
Wait so there is a french BD out?
Or is that the french DVD version that happens to be sharper than the horrid US BD?

It's a Blu-ray boxset with all three films in a beautiful package.


Dan Average 02-20-2010 08:13 AM

Quote:


Celestial remastered their DVD releases in PAL. Thats the reason why the HK DVDs looked so horrible (combing, ghosting) compared to PAL releases.
So yes, it's possible that DD's source Material is indeed 50 Hz.

But the DD DVD has the proper runtime and (as far as I can tell) shows no signs of standards conversion. So how did they get a non-50Hz source for the DVD? If anything you'd think it'd be the other way around.

Stevie76 02-20-2010 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rathbone View Post

It's a Blu-ray boxset with all three films in a beautiful package.

Looks awesome
Is there any english subs on it?

Rathbone 02-20-2010 10:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie76 View Post

Looks awesome
Is there any english subs on it?

No, only French.

Rathbone 02-20-2010 10:36 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Average View Post

But the DD DVD has the proper runtime and (as far as I can tell) shows no signs of standards conversion. So how did they get a non-50Hz source for the DVD? If anything you'd think it'd be the other way around.

The original HK DVD is seven years old and all NTSC versions at this time suffered from the effects of PAL to NTSC conversion. My German PAL DVD is not even anamorphic but still looks better than the anamorphic HK DVD.

Maybe Celestial created a proper NTSC master over the years or DD did a proper conversion. Who knows.

Rhythm-X 02-20-2010 11:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Average View Post

But the DD DVD has the proper runtime and (as far as I can tell) shows no signs of standards conversion. So how did they get a non-50Hz source for the DVD? If anything you'd think it'd be the other way around.

Someone correct me if I go off the rails with this:

Could the DVD have been created using a sort of reverse version of PAL speedup? Could they have taken the 1920x1080 25fps source, deinterlaced and downscaled it to 720x480 while slowing it to 23.976fps, and then corrected the audio to match?

TGWTG 02-22-2010 07:06 PM

French version looks awesome. Since I'm fluent in both cantonese and mandarin, it's definitely a worth buy even though it has no english subtitles.

Stevie76 02-23-2010 02:51 AM

I dont understand much cantonese and mandarin, just a few words, BUT I have seen this movie so many times I remember most of the dialogue and can live without the subs if I go for the French BD

eric.exe 02-25-2010 03:03 PM

First off some proper screenshots, not as bad as DVDBeavers, but still quite poor.:




buuuut holy crap, this is the most unbelievably screwed up, mangled, flawed piece of crap Blu-ray ever released. The reason it runs 5 minutes shorter than the DVD releases is because it has mangled frame-interpolation from the 25fps/50hz master. It's 1080i60 but it doesn't have any inverse telecine to play at the original 24fps. Instead it's purely interlaced, every frame of it. So it can only be played at 60fps. Instead of 25fps to 24fps, they did 25fps to 60i with frame-blending. The conversion causes every frame to blended together, so there's constant blurring and chopiness. Also, the audio is an unlistenable mess, screwed from the conversion as well. It's completely distorted; pitched too higher, raspy, constantly echos. This just might be the worst disc on the format. I really can't believe this horrific thing was released for this classic. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid...

eapleitez 02-25-2010 08:32 PM

You'd think that studios would have mastered putting movies on discs by now...

SlaughterX 02-26-2010 09:56 PM

Hmmm, perhaps I made a mistake selling my DVD... is it worse by comparison?

Rieper 03-15-2010 11:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by TGWTG View Post

French version looks awesome. Since I'm fluent in both cantonese and mandarin, it's definitely a worth buy even though it has no english subtitles.

It's region B locked... so if you're ordering/importing it from Amazon.fr make sure your Blu-ray player is region free.


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