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This one did not get the "Sapphire" treatment The transfer overall is very good. Some parts like low light scenes is often hard too see because of heavy grain. But daylight scenes is where the extra details compared to DVD is more obvious. I dont see anything here that exhibit overtly digital tamperings. I wish they could've have gone back to remove more of the dirt, scratches and damage for this release.

The broadcast HDTV version was captured from Voom 2006 when they were still at 1920 x 1080 17+ mbps. Ahh good times. Personally the movie is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too cheesy for me.
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Mpeg-2 File size: 15.50 GB

Bitrate: 18.06 Mbps


Code:
Sequence Frame 183885(28-B) / Time 1:57:50 :
Info: End of MPEG2 sequence

Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 15.58 GB, Play Time: 01h:57m:50s
1920 x 1080, 29.97 fps (26.01 fps Telecine), 65.00 Mbps (18.06 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 84.77 KB/Frame, 0.33 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 3/2 Channels (L, C, R, SL, SR) + LFE, 48.0 kHz, 384 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -27.0 dB, Center Mix Level: -3.0 dB, Surround Mix Level: -3.0 dB
0 of 183885 video frames found with errors.
0 of 220951 audio frames found with errors.
0 corrupted video bytes in file.
0.000000 seconds of video timestamp gaps.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

End of Log



Blu-ray File size: 30.0 GB

Bitrate: 31.08 mbps VC-1


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00100.MPLS                                                      VC-1    1:57:56 32,263,458,816  35,025,537,147  36.48   31.08   DTS-HD Master 2.0 1649Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     CLASH_OF_THE_TITANS
Disc Size:      35,025,537,147 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00100.MPLS
Length:                 1:57:56 (h:m:s)
Size:                   32,263,458,816 bytes
Total Bitrate:          36.48 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
VC-1 Video              31081 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1649 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1649 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             Czech           192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             German          192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             Portuguese      192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             French          192 kbps        1.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Italian         192 kbps        1.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         192 kbps        1.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB

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Presentation Graphics           Czech           13.662 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Danish          13.042 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           13.888 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         14.675 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          14.017 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          17.707 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Greek           15.285 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         15.267 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         16.418 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Japanese        14.482 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       14.046 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      14.571 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      14.952 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         15.031 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         13.304 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         15.259 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Thai            15.283 kbps                     

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00020.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:57:56.110     32,263,458,816  36,476          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:04:22.136     29,502 kbps     42,684 kbps     00:01:40.767    38,999 kbps     00:01:40.600    36,041 kbps     00:03:51.022    154,352 bytes   399,049 bytes   00:04:07.205    
2               0:04:22.136     0:03:35.882     33,710 kbps     43,809 kbps     00:06:47.532    39,459 kbps     00:04:50.498    37,430 kbps     00:04:49.289    175,747 bytes   341,128 bytes   00:07:58.019    
3               0:07:58.019     0:02:59.137     34,682 kbps     49,362 kbps     00:07:58.019    39,556 kbps     00:08:21.000    37,276 kbps     00:09:28.442    180,818 bytes   359,665 bytes   00:10:56.030    
4               0:10:57.156     0:04:49.914     32,016 kbps     48,503 kbps     00:12:10.146    39,741 kbps     00:15:07.406    37,258 kbps     00:13:07.745    166,919 bytes   349,023 bytes   00:14:28.784    
5               0:15:47.071     0:04:56.587     29,256 kbps     39,975 kbps     00:15:47.071    35,498 kbps     00:15:47.071    33,324 kbps     00:18:00.287    152,526 bytes   357,444 bytes   00:17:42.394    
6               0:20:43.659     0:06:20.171     32,770 kbps     45,614 kbps     00:21:00.425    40,549 kbps     00:20:45.118    37,122 kbps     00:26:31.131    170,847 bytes   513,471 bytes   00:26:26.835    
7               0:27:03.830     0:03:45.516     30,628 kbps     44,288 kbps     00:30:39.671    37,465 kbps     00:28:16.403    34,309 kbps     00:29:52.499    159,682 bytes   397,202 bytes   00:27:03.872    
8               0:30:49.347     0:03:41.429     29,399 kbps     49,398 kbps     00:30:49.347    34,601 kbps     00:30:59.232    33,158 kbps     00:30:54.102    153,273 bytes   367,224 bytes   00:34:30.777    
9               0:34:30.777     0:06:04.572     28,023 kbps     46,844 kbps     00:34:30.777    34,517 kbps     00:37:21.280    33,813 kbps     00:34:30.777    146,099 bytes   360,272 bytes   00:37:21.322    
10              0:40:35.349     0:06:02.737     28,573 kbps     35,314 kbps     00:45:38.444    32,726 kbps     00:45:18.298    31,427 kbps     00:45:18.173    148,967 bytes   331,088 bytes   00:44:08.103    
11              0:46:38.086     0:01:59.953     31,115 kbps     43,414 kbps     00:46:42.633    35,633 kbps     00:46:50.766    35,055 kbps     00:46:42.633    162,222 bytes   438,668 bytes   00:46:43.091    
12              0:48:38.040     0:03:19.699     31,170 kbps     49,913 kbps     00:48:38.040    35,037 kbps     00:50:24.896    33,429 kbps     00:48:38.040    162,508 bytes   418,298 bytes   00:50:52.841    
13              0:51:57.739     0:03:16.571     30,375 kbps     37,984 kbps     00:51:57.739    36,169 kbps     00:53:44.638    33,464 kbps     00:53:44.638    158,361 bytes   364,910 bytes   00:52:30.897    
14              0:55:14.310     0:02:50.253     30,643 kbps     42,063 kbps     00:57:00.208    36,691 kbps     00:57:00.041    33,248 kbps     00:56:15.747    159,758 bytes   345,085 bytes   00:56:49.406    
15              0:58:04.564     0:03:11.941     29,852 kbps     40,349 kbps     00:58:04.564    33,423 kbps     01:00:11.024    33,017 kbps     01:00:08.313    155,669 bytes   342,891 bytes   00:58:44.646    
16              1:01:16.506     0:05:21.529     32,069 kbps     46,350 kbps     01:04:19.063    40,495 kbps     01:04:15.560    37,626 kbps     01:02:25.283    167,261 bytes   368,895 bytes   01:02:04.345    
17              1:06:38.035     0:03:06.853     31,320 kbps     42,086 kbps     01:09:23.159    37,795 kbps     01:06:42.999    35,889 kbps     01:06:45.584    163,287 bytes   501,819 bytes   01:09:44.889    
18              1:09:44.889     0:04:00.448     32,209 kbps     51,160 kbps     01:09:44.889    39,864 kbps     01:10:39.485    37,144 kbps     01:10:39.485    167,925 bytes   431,967 bytes   01:13:29.988    
19              1:13:45.337     0:03:05.727     29,354 kbps     43,400 kbps     01:13:50.676    37,520 kbps     01:13:50.676    34,510 kbps     01:15:57.928    153,038 bytes   367,514 bytes   01:15:59.888    
20              1:16:51.064     0:03:52.941     31,397 kbps     48,165 kbps     01:16:51.064    37,329 kbps     01:17:39.237    35,528 kbps     01:17:34.608    163,692 bytes   369,581 bytes   01:19:20.422    
21              1:20:44.005     0:02:03.915     30,804 kbps     47,167 kbps     01:22:29.945    35,662 kbps     01:22:35.408    35,468 kbps     01:22:29.945    160,596 bytes   404,785 bytes   01:22:30.070    
22              1:22:47.921     0:02:20.723     32,606 kbps     43,782 kbps     01:22:53.343    37,500 kbps     01:23:43.101    36,928 kbps     01:23:42.475    169,990 bytes   473,884 bytes   01:23:47.856    
23              1:25:08.645     0:08:04.859     32,862 kbps     44,675 kbps     01:33:08.207    38,616 kbps     01:29:45.004    37,233 kbps     01:30:07.777    171,326 bytes   481,994 bytes   01:33:13.504    
24              1:33:13.504     0:02:58.094     34,041 kbps     51,557 kbps     01:33:13.504    39,539 kbps     01:34:46.722    37,344 kbps     01:33:56.964    177,474 bytes   417,674 bytes   01:33:13.546    
25              1:36:11.599     0:02:43.830     32,404 kbps     43,051 kbps     01:37:17.206    37,781 kbps     01:37:15.120    36,027 kbps     01:37:09.907    168,941 bytes   374,082 bytes   01:37:32.930    
26              1:38:55.429     0:02:59.762     31,833 kbps     43,535 kbps     01:38:55.429    37,731 kbps     01:39:59.284    37,243 kbps     01:39:57.282    165,960 bytes   374,109 bytes   01:41:55.192    
27              1:41:55.192     0:04:26.015     31,555 kbps     43,161 kbps     01:45:34.328    38,268 kbps     01:45:33.243    36,399 kbps     01:43:34.416    164,515 bytes   379,920 bytes   01:45:53.347    
28              1:46:21.208     0:05:04.095     29,120 kbps     47,678 kbps     01:49:45.662    37,833 kbps     01:47:43.039    34,646 kbps     01:48:54.361    151,819 bytes   357,279 bytes   01:49:45.704    
29              1:51:25.303     0:03:47.977     30,908 kbps     48,941 kbps     01:53:07.489    40,247 kbps     01:53:06.529    37,711 kbps     01:53:25.882    161,139 bytes   443,253 bytes   01:55:13.281    
30              1:55:13.281     0:02:42.829     30,826 kbps     56,833 kbps     01:55:13.281    36,786 kbps     01:55:13.281    34,184 kbps     01:55:13.281    160,752 bytes   430,143 bytes   01:56:38.366    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00020.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    7075.986                31,082                  27,491,895,344  149,514,844     
00020.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           7075.986                1,649                   1,458,377,944   9,115,690       
00020.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             fra (French)            7075.986                192                     169,827,072     1,105,645       
00020.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             deu (German)            7075.986                192                     169,827,072     1,105,645       
00020.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             ita (Italian)           7075.986                192                     169,827,072     1,105,645       
00020.M2TS      4356 (0x1104)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           7075.986                192                     169,827,072     1,105,645       
00020.M2TS      4357 (0x1105)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           7075.986                192                     169,827,072     1,105,645       
00020.M2TS      4358 (0x1106)   0x81            AC3             por (Portuguese)        7075.986                192                     169,827,072     1,105,645       
00020.M2TS      4359 (0x1107)   0x81            AC3             ces (Czech)             7075.986                192                     169,827,072     1,105,645       
00020.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           7075.986                16                      14,248,026      82,031          
00020.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            7075.986                14                      12,397,904      71,344          
00020.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            7075.986                18                      15,662,046      89,711          
00020.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             ita (Italian)           7075.986                15                      13,503,612      77,448          
00020.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             ita (Italian)           7075.986                16                      14,522,079      83,512          
00020.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           7075.986                15                      13,294,747      76,320          
00020.M2TS      4614 (0x1206)   0x90            PGS             nld (Dutch)             7075.986                14                      12,283,867      70,087          
00020.M2TS      4615 (0x1207)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           7075.986                13                      11,767,443      68,010          
00020.M2TS      4616 (0x1208)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        7075.986                15                      12,888,431      74,048          
00020.M2TS      4617 (0x1209)   0x90            PGS             ces (Czech)             7075.986                14                      12,084,004      69,737          
00020.M2TS      4618 (0x120A)   0x90            PGS             dan (Danish)            7075.986                13                      11,535,830      65,628          
00020.M2TS      4619 (0x120B)   0x90            PGS             fin (Finnish)           7075.986                15                      12,979,905      74,575          
00020.M2TS      4620 (0x120C)   0x90            PGS             ell (Greek)             7075.986                15                      13,519,728      77,547          
00020.M2TS      4621 (0x120D)   0x90            PGS             nor (Norwegian)         7075.986                14                      12,424,284      71,594          
00020.M2TS      4622 (0x120E)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        7075.986                15                      13,225,527      75,952          
00020.M2TS      4623 (0x120F)   0x90            PGS             swe (Swedish)           7075.986                15                      13,496,926      77,426          
00020.M2TS      4624 (0x1210)   0x90            PGS             tha (Thai)              7075.986                15                      13,517,652      77,531          
00020.M2TS      4625 (0x1211)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          7075.986                14                      12,809,539      73,940
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Well the BD looks best by some margin. I remember when I saw this theatrically that it was one of the grainiest films I'd seen and it is. The tuft on the helmet is the telling tale as far as detail being rendered well. I was impressed with how rich the colors were in the film as well.

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I don't get this disc... how does a VC1 30mbps encode improve so marginally on an MPEG2 broadcast Are these compression issues inherent in the existing master?

...oh well, not really a film i care about, WB can save their remaster money for movies that merit it.
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I am not so sure the BD is worth the extra $$$ over DVD....at least the screencaps don't show a night and day difference.
However, the BD does resolve all of the NASTY grain this title is famous for.

I have the DVD and BD upstairs right now and will do a comparison.
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On a small screen, some will notice a difference. On a large screen, the difference is huge between DVD and the cable HD showings. Massive, really. I remember watching this on a 95 inch 720p projection setup and being amazed at how superior the HD broadcast was to the DVD.

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On a small screen, some will notice a difference. On a large screen, the difference is huge between DVD and the cable HD showings. Massive, really. I remember watching this on a 95 inch 720p projection setup and being amazed at how superior the HD broadcast was to the DVD.

My biggest screen is 73"
But it is 1080p, and 24p capable.
I really hope to be impressed...this movie is one of my guilty pleasures (the wife especially loves it).
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In my experience, even the most average BD transfer will give a noticeable improvement at approx 80 inches and up.


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My biggest screen is 73"
But it is 1080p, and 24p capable.
I really hope to be impressed...this movie is one of my guilty pleasures (the wife especially loves it).

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After viewing both DVD and BD, I have to say save your coin and skip this BD.
Although it is better than the DVD, it isn't really worth a purchase (unless you are a BIG BIG fan of the film).
Incredibly inconsistent PQ and anemic SQ is all this release can deliver.

The master for the BD seems to be the same as the one previously used for the DVD.
I suggest waiting for a new master.
Considering this is a WB release, the wait might be long.
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I don't get this disc... how does a VC1 30mbps encode improve so marginally on an MPEG2 broadcast Are these compression issues inherent in the existing master?

...oh well, not really a film i care about, WB can save their remaster money for movies that merit it.

In fact I have to double check if I have the right streams when I was processing these files. The broadcast and the blu-ray almost look identical.
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I don't get this disc... how does a VC1 30mbps encode improve so marginally on an MPEG2 broadcast Are these compression issues inherent in the existing master?

When this film was done the effects were all done optically which means more film generations which normally means more grain and loss of resolution. Just to do a soft cut, fade, wipe, etc. requires another generation. There are many other factors that will affect the way any particular film will look.

As to VC-1 and MPEG-2, bit rate efficiency is the main advantage of VC-1 (or AVC) over MPEG-2. I can assure you MPEG-2 can look quite good when used correctly and with sufficient bit rate.
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In my experience, even the most average BD transfer will give a noticeable improvement at approx 80 inches and up.

In my experience, it starts at 46" and up. Of course, seating distance plays a big factor in all of this.
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The Blu-ray encode doubles the bitrate yet still suffers from terrible macroblocking. I've never actually seen this film, but judging from these caps I don't think I will bother watching it.
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This is an upgrade over the DVD for sure, but most of your average joe six packs out there won't notice much of a difference... unless they've invested money in a pretty large screen, of course. Me? I'm happy I upgraded, but I am a little disappointed that a lot of the grain does come off looking pretty digital. I doubt the film can look any better on the format, but some of the grain, even with the film's excessively grainy nature, comes off looking noisy. Other than that, this is a keeper.
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Hell, I'm just astonished that the grain is actually still there at all.

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The original film element had so much grain, I really would hate to think what this movie would look like without it... cell shading, perhaps? lol
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I doubt the film can look any better on the format, but some of the grain, even with the film's excessively grainy nature, comes off looking noisy.

It could probably look a lot better... it's not like every shot in the movie is a grainy optical.
This just doesn't seem to be a new master. Seems to be the same one as the DVD, for that matter. I don't really mind, if remasters cost money there are better Warner titles to spend it on.
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The BD captures look good to me. I don't own this on any format yet, so I'll probably pick this one up.
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Hell, I'm just astonished that the grain is actually still there at all.

As I said in the other Clash of the Titans thread months ago, Warner has been doing a MUCH better job on catalog releases as people in that thread were worried about DNR. I have not been disappointed in a long time with Warner. It's just funny though - now there are people complaining that the movie is too grainy in this thread. lol
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This clearly was not given a new master from Warner. They just repackaged the old one onto Blu-ray.
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I'm stunned that only one other person has mentioned the macroblocking. It's ungodly. How can you even make out resolved grain with such terrible compression? They definitely lost a purchase from me.
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I'm stunned that only one other person has mentioned the macroblocking. It's ungodly. How can you even make out resolved grain with such terrible compression? They definitely lost a purchase from me.

Oh, you're not the only one.

It's clearly noticeable if you look at the pictures.

I just didn't think it bore repeating.
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I'm stunned that only one other person has mentioned the macroblocking. It's ungodly. How can you even make out resolved grain with such terrible compression? They definitely lost a purchase from me.

Macroblocking and grain and compression so heavy it comes across as noise.
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