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First go here for the original screenshots and posts especially the newbies not all that familiar with the melodrama Traffic HD DVD (bleh) started. Ahhh good times Also check out msgohan's comparison *PIX* comparing Canadian and German blu-ray versions.

Lets take a look at this shot:





It answers that question. Don't you agree ****?

Concentrating on US blu-ray for a moment I can describe the look as "edgy" that includes some EE showing up here and there.

*sigh*

I really, really like to give Universal some kind of credit here for finally giving us something that gives more picture details compared to all versions of Traffic (that includes the HD broadcast version. I did not bother putting it up for time. FIVE sets is more than enough). But they (again) went overboard with too much processing of the picture. I just can't understand why those . . . . people is still pulling levers and turning dials.


I would also like to comment about the Combo 2.0 from Universal. So far no problems with playback.
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HD DVD file size: 24.20 GB

Bitrate: 21.51 mbps VC-1


Code:
                                                                                        Total     Video
Title                                   Codec   Length  Movie Size        Disc Size     Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track        IME     Secondary Audio Track
-----                                   -----   ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- -------------------     ---     ---------------------

Traffic                                 VC-1   2:27:22  26,011,080,704*   28,206,492,940  23.53   21.51 DDPlus 5.1 1536Kbps      No

Blu-ray GER file size: 31.90 GB

Bitrate: 20.02 mbps VC-1


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00004.MPLS                                                      VC-1    2:27:05 34,274,869,248  39,246,913,793  31.07   20.02   DTS-HD Hi-Res 7.1 2046Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS 2.0 256Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     
Disc Size:      39,246,913,793 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00004.MPLS
Length:                 2:27:05 (h:m:s)
Size:                   34,274,869,248 bytes
Total Bitrate:          31.07 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
VC-1 Video              20019 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD High-Res Audio           English         2046 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz / 2046 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB)
DTS-HD High-Res Audio           German          2046 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz / 2046 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB)
DTS Audio                       English         256 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 256 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       German          256 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 256 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         167.880 kbps                    
Presentation Graphics           English         1170.587 kbps                   
Presentation Graphics           German          1549.120 kbps                   
Presentation Graphics           German          1557.388 kbps                   
Presentation Graphics           German          185.893 kbps                    

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00005.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:27:05.858     34,274,869,248  31,068          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:13:12.208     20,508 kbps     35,145 kbps     00:09:00.748    31,777 kbps     00:08:59.330    27,605 kbps     00:07:20.606    107,341 bytes   365,910 bytes   00:07:24.152    
2               0:13:12.208     0:07:15.810     20,801 kbps     30,446 kbps     00:15:21.962    27,562 kbps     00:14:19.024    26,407 kbps     00:14:16.188    108,444 bytes   353,015 bytes   00:13:18.714    
3               0:20:28.018     0:06:01.527     21,316 kbps     35,765 kbps     00:25:50.215    30,269 kbps     00:25:58.223    29,134 kbps     00:25:54.553    111,129 bytes   315,234 bytes   00:26:02.727    
4               0:26:29.546     0:07:14.600     19,373 kbps     27,452 kbps     00:33:43.146    25,896 kbps     00:29:21.468    25,457 kbps     00:29:16.463    101,004 bytes   288,171 bytes   00:29:26.473    
5               0:33:44.147     0:09:35.533     20,973 kbps     31,239 kbps     00:41:31.113    27,773 kbps     00:41:31.113    26,302 kbps     00:41:31.113    109,533 bytes   255,094 bytes   00:42:33.592    
6               0:43:19.680     0:09:13.135     20,072 kbps     28,835 kbps     00:50:31.778    25,063 kbps     00:50:03.500    24,629 kbps     00:50:01.915    104,644 bytes   276,225 bytes   00:48:46.924    
7               0:52:32.816     0:06:39.899     19,574 kbps     27,928 kbps     00:57:32.740    25,470 kbps     00:58:01.144    25,264 kbps     00:57:58.099    102,048 bytes   286,176 bytes   00:57:01.376    
8               0:59:12.715     0:08:21.751     19,545 kbps     33,419 kbps     00:59:33.069    29,596 kbps     00:59:29.148    28,967 kbps     00:59:29.065    101,898 bytes   351,114 bytes   01:05:59.372    
9               1:07:34.467     0:08:36.474     19,990 kbps     29,518 kbps     01:11:15.437    24,171 kbps     01:11:12.685    22,829 kbps     01:11:07.721    104,218 bytes   302,731 bytes   01:11:09.223    
10              1:16:10.941     0:08:51.155     20,643 kbps     32,610 kbps     01:16:50.480    28,664 kbps     01:20:39.501    27,265 kbps     01:20:35.163    107,625 bytes   268,260 bytes   01:23:26.334    
11              1:25:02.097     0:08:27.381     18,877 kbps     27,897 kbps     01:31:58.346    26,993 kbps     01:33:05.663    25,293 kbps     01:33:03.411    98,418 bytes    437,338 bytes   01:33:09.208    
12              1:33:29.478     0:04:52.083     21,605 kbps     34,013 kbps     01:33:39.447    31,544 kbps     01:33:37.486    29,220 kbps     01:36:23.110    112,641 bytes   423,732 bytes   01:33:39.488    
13              1:38:21.562     0:09:26.399     20,442 kbps     38,386 kbps     01:42:38.443    30,083 kbps     01:42:17.047    29,185 kbps     01:42:17.297    106,574 bytes   350,433 bytes   01:42:38.986    
14              1:47:47.961     0:06:58.501     20,699 kbps     32,375 kbps     01:49:09.042    28,201 kbps     01:49:09.042    26,732 kbps     01:49:08.708    107,917 bytes   308,487 bytes   01:49:09.417    
15              1:54:46.462     0:06:17.794     23,190 kbps     32,394 kbps     01:56:27.146    29,977 kbps     01:59:17.942    29,012 kbps     02:00:52.453    120,903 bytes   437,834 bytes   01:56:27.522    
16              2:01:04.257     0:09:21.894     21,780 kbps     33,339 kbps     02:02:53.824    29,758 kbps     02:02:52.573    28,449 kbps     02:02:53.032    113,551 bytes   438,625 bytes   02:09:37.060    
17              2:10:26.151     0:11:55.297     20,313 kbps     33,531 kbps     02:13:47.144    29,753 kbps     02:17:23.485    28,372 kbps     02:17:18.521    106,341 bytes   389,055 bytes   02:17:23.568    
18              2:22:21.449     0:04:44.409     5,243 kbps      8,341 kbps      02:24:50.056    8,165 kbps      02:24:49.263    7,556 kbps      02:24:46.135    27,354 bytes    181,025 bytes   02:24:50.098    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00005.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    8825.692                20,019                  22,085,365,197  120,156,616     
00005.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x85            DTS-HD HR       deu (German)            8825.692                2,046                   2,257,212,672   13,238,784      
00005.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             deu (German)            8825.692                255                     281,324,160     1,654,848       
00005.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x85            DTS-HD HR       eng (English)           8825.692                2,046                   2,257,212,672   13,238,784      
00005.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x82            DTS             eng (English)           8825.692                255                     281,324,160     1,654,848       
00005.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            8825.692                1,549                   1,709,039,085   9,449,920       
00005.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           8825.692                1,171                   1,291,428,943   7,150,391       
00005.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            8825.692                1,557                   1,718,160,365   9,503,432       
00005.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            8825.692                186                     205,082,790     1,139,861       
00005.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           8825.692                168                     185,210,748     1,031,748
QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title:
Disc Size: 39,246,913,793 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No
Playlist: 00004.MPLS
Size: 34,274,869,248 bytes
Length: 2:27:05
Total Bitrate: 31.07 Mbps
Video: VC-1 Video / 20019 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3
Audio: English / DTS-HD High-Res Audio / 7.1 / 48 kHz / 2046 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB)
Audio: German / DTS-HD High-Res Audio / 7.1 / 48 kHz / 2046 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB)
Audio: English / DTS Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 256 kbps / 24-bit
Audio: German / DTS Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 256 kbps / 24-bit
Subtitle: English / 167.880 kbps
Subtitle: English / 1170.587 kbps
Subtitle: German / 1549.120 kbps
Subtitle: German / 1557.388 kbps
Subtitle: German / 185.893 kbps




Blu-ray US file size: 38.60 GB

Bitrate: 31.61 mbps VC-1


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00000.MPLS                                                      VC-1    2:27:13 41,459,312,640  45,469,229,241  37.55   31.61   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2736Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS 2.0 384Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     TRAFFIC
Disc Size:      45,469,229,241 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 2:27:13 (h:m:s)
Size:                   41,459,312,640 bytes
Total Bitrate:          37.55 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
VC-1 Video              31607 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2736 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2736 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio                       French          768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
DTS Audio                       English         384 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 384 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         34.075 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          35.088 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          5.430 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         30.339 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00010.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:27:13.241     41,459,312,640  37,548          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:03:05.518     28,328 kbps     41,855 kbps     00:01:26.669    36,915 kbps     00:02:48.918    34,879 kbps     00:02:43.204    148,424 bytes   475,941 bytes   00:00:21.604    
2               0:03:05.518     0:02:33.778     31,180 kbps     42,168 kbps     00:03:13.192    37,042 kbps     00:04:39.279    34,990 kbps     00:03:11.608    162,557 bytes   371,378 bytes   00:03:26.039    
3               0:05:39.297     0:02:23.101     32,567 kbps     39,774 kbps     00:05:43.217    37,687 kbps     00:07:41.294    35,579 kbps     00:07:41.252    169,787 bytes   423,092 bytes   00:06:12.747    
4               0:08:02.398     0:05:11.185     33,184 kbps     43,482 kbps     00:08:56.410    38,333 kbps     00:12:20.948    36,607 kbps     00:08:33.429    173,006 bytes   501,739 bytes   00:08:53.032    
5               0:13:13.584     0:02:19.514     32,853 kbps     40,518 kbps     00:15:10.701    36,330 kbps     00:15:08.699    35,206 kbps     00:14:02.883    171,280 bytes   468,979 bytes   00:13:20.132    
6               0:15:33.098     0:01:39.182     31,880 kbps     36,804 kbps     00:15:33.098    35,174 kbps     00:15:33.098    34,560 kbps     00:15:33.098    166,210 bytes   526,212 bytes   00:17:10.529    
7               0:17:12.281     0:01:35.470     32,986 kbps     38,540 kbps     00:18:43.372    35,474 kbps     00:18:15.469    34,682 kbps     00:18:11.256    171,976 bytes   435,477 bytes   00:17:13.532    
8               0:18:47.751     0:01:42.185     32,935 kbps     39,377 kbps     00:18:47.876    35,447 kbps     00:18:56.135    35,109 kbps     00:18:56.093    171,710 bytes   430,618 bytes   00:20:29.937    
9               0:20:29.937     0:01:44.854     33,060 kbps     44,703 kbps     00:22:13.790    37,843 kbps     00:22:09.786    35,686 kbps     00:22:04.781    172,359 bytes   349,591 bytes   00:20:59.549    
10              0:22:14.791     0:01:37.013     32,157 kbps     39,404 kbps     00:23:30.700    38,237 kbps     00:23:28.949    36,652 kbps     00:22:33.769    167,652 bytes   340,286 bytes   00:22:34.061    
11              0:23:51.805     0:01:42.268     32,692 kbps     39,285 kbps     00:23:53.181    36,792 kbps     00:23:52.514    34,710 kbps     00:24:57.746    170,439 bytes   391,329 bytes   00:25:25.941    
12              0:25:34.074     0:00:57.390     33,084 kbps     37,913 kbps     00:25:59.474    35,429 kbps     00:26:08.441    34,974 kbps     00:26:08.858    172,485 bytes   387,451 bytes   00:25:47.295    
13              0:26:31.464     0:02:18.847     28,990 kbps     42,088 kbps     00:28:32.794    37,227 kbps     00:28:29.249    35,505 kbps     00:26:38.013    151,141 bytes   351,379 bytes   00:28:33.753    
14              0:28:50.311     0:01:21.414     33,297 kbps     42,218 kbps     00:30:10.725    35,494 kbps     00:29:00.864    34,759 kbps     00:28:55.859    173,593 bytes   418,632 bytes   00:29:30.393    
15              0:30:11.726     0:01:26.753     30,934 kbps     39,329 kbps     00:30:18.316    36,249 kbps     00:31:04.571    35,141 kbps     00:31:19.586    161,276 bytes   420,416 bytes   00:31:25.800    
16              0:31:38.479     0:02:07.836     32,819 kbps     39,601 kbps     00:32:55.974    36,804 kbps     00:33:19.330    35,056 kbps     00:33:14.283    171,105 bytes   368,429 bytes   00:32:33.409    
17              0:33:46.315     0:03:54.233     32,582 kbps     49,819 kbps     00:36:04.161    36,279 kbps     00:36:56.005    35,176 kbps     00:36:49.707    169,867 bytes   427,370 bytes   00:36:04.537    
18              0:37:40.549     0:01:14.616     33,554 kbps     38,734 kbps     00:38:33.102    36,564 kbps     00:38:39.233    35,954 kbps     00:38:37.148    174,934 bytes   390,069 bytes   00:38:44.613    
19              0:38:55.166     0:02:37.949     29,963 kbps     35,859 kbps     00:41:16.307    34,204 kbps     00:41:15.639    33,950 kbps     00:41:10.551    156,211 bytes   372,397 bytes   00:40:59.123    
20              0:41:33.115     0:01:48.608     34,241 kbps     39,636 kbps     00:42:13.697    37,680 kbps     00:42:09.693    37,029 kbps     00:42:04.730    178,515 bytes   380,011 bytes   00:42:47.523    
21              0:43:21.724     0:02:15.510     33,592 kbps     42,980 kbps     00:43:57.343    37,648 kbps     00:43:56.008    36,732 kbps     00:44:40.678    175,136 bytes   378,864 bytes   00:43:59.094    
22              0:45:37.234     0:01:40.225     33,182 kbps     40,163 kbps     00:46:58.065    36,472 kbps     00:46:23.781    35,143 kbps     00:46:54.645    172,993 bytes   337,608 bytes   00:46:20.569    
23              0:47:17.459     0:03:16.863     33,113 kbps     42,811 kbps     00:49:28.674    38,096 kbps     00:49:25.671    35,834 kbps     00:49:20.666    172,634 bytes   447,654 bytes   00:48:43.837    
24              0:50:34.322     0:02:00.411     32,939 kbps     41,353 kbps     00:50:50.797    37,420 kbps     00:51:25.207    36,071 kbps     00:51:24.122    171,726 bytes   433,205 bytes   00:50:50.839    
25              0:52:34.734     0:02:40.201     30,462 kbps     40,547 kbps     00:54:59.337    38,244 kbps     00:53:34.961    35,486 kbps     00:53:29.956    158,816 bytes   341,223 bytes   00:53:03.722    
26              0:55:14.936     0:01:31.007     33,263 kbps     42,073 kbps     00:56:29.511    36,857 kbps     00:56:28.760    34,758 kbps     00:55:54.476    173,416 bytes   381,895 bytes   00:55:36.750    
27              0:56:45.944     0:01:09.235     33,224 kbps     39,244 kbps     00:57:34.659    36,190 kbps     00:57:50.175    35,628 kbps     00:57:45.170    173,214 bytes   401,790 bytes   00:57:00.792    
28              0:57:55.180     0:01:18.995     32,893 kbps     37,485 kbps     00:58:32.800    35,066 kbps     00:58:54.906    34,245 kbps     00:58:08.318    171,489 bytes   348,531 bytes   00:58:59.410    
29              0:59:14.175     0:02:21.724     33,554 kbps     40,467 kbps     01:01:32.730    37,258 kbps     01:01:02.742    36,161 kbps     01:01:02.533    174,937 bytes   492,296 bytes   01:01:35.900    
30              1:01:35.900     0:01:45.355     33,071 kbps     46,160 kbps     01:02:37.003    36,120 kbps     01:02:57.732    35,367 kbps     01:02:51.726    172,416 bytes   497,000 bytes   01:01:36.901    
31              1:03:21.255     0:02:29.023     32,908 kbps     39,000 kbps     01:03:37.021    35,248 kbps     01:03:35.186    34,941 kbps     01:03:28.054    171,568 bytes   366,964 bytes   01:03:33.267    
32              1:05:50.279     0:01:46.106     32,767 kbps     37,654 kbps     01:07:11.986    34,713 kbps     01:06:20.434    34,352 kbps     01:06:17.223    170,834 bytes   461,724 bytes   01:05:59.580    
33              1:07:36.385     0:01:29.422     33,502 kbps     37,256 kbps     01:07:58.199    36,218 kbps     01:07:58.199    35,863 kbps     01:07:58.199    174,662 bytes   387,565 bytes   01:09:02.555    
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STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
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00010.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    8833.116                31,607                  34,898,670,796  189,794,494     
00010.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           8833.116                2,736                   3,021,015,096   17,728,526      
00010.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x82            DTS             eng (English)           8833.116                384                     423,995,904     2,484,351       
00010.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x82            DTS             fra (French)            8833.116                768                     847,991,808     4,968,702       
00010.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           8833.116                34                      37,624,453      215,414         
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00010.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            8833.116                35                      38,742,885      221,142         
00010.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            8833.116                5                       5,995,842       34,445
QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: TRAFFIC
Disc Size: 45,469,229,241 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes
Playlist: 00000.MPLS
Size: 41,459,312,640 bytes
Length: 2:27:13
Total Bitrate: 37.55 Mbps
Video: VC-1 Video / 31607 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2736 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio: French / DTS Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit
Audio: English / DTS Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 384 kbps / 24-bit
Subtitle: English / 34.075 kbps
Subtitle: French / 35.088 kbps
Subtitle: French / 5.430 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 30.339 kbps

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At least it's actually HD this time, but the German Blu-ray is still better thanks to the Fargo-level sharpening on the Universal one.

Paramount is releasing a Nordic version soon, I might have to look into that.
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What happened to the color in the Blu-ray? The Blu-ray lost the color blue? The Criterion DVD probably had direct participation by Soderbergh, so that should be the reference for color in this case.
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At least it's actually HD this time, but the German Blu-ray is still better thanks to the Fargo-level sharpening on the Universal one.

I wasn't sure why I didn't like the US version even though it seemed to have the most grain and I couldn't put my finger on why. Now I see .
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It looks like there were two masters at work here. One used for the Criterion, HD DVD and German Blu-ray, and then the one for the DVD and Blu-ray. Odd that Universal would only have access to the SD version of the (IMO) better one.
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I'm not checking these on my calibrated display, but seems like the German disc is the one to get. The sharpening on the US release is ridiculous.
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Where's does the Alliance release fit? The American BD is atrocious and looks like it came from the same source as the "regular" DVD.

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Where's does the Alliance release fit?

The Canadian disc is poorly encoded in 1080i at a low bitrate and is also gamma-boosted: https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1177632

Hope you compare some of the subtitled scenes, Xylon.

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The Canadian disc is poorly encoded in 1080i at a low bitrate and is also gamma-boosted: https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1177632

Hope you compare some of the subtitled scenes, Xylon.

Cool. I either forgot or missed that thread. Thanks.

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Despite the sharpness issues, from my personal comparisons on my TV set the Universal release is quite a substantial boost from the Criterion DVD (Obviously) and the Alliance BD. And as someone said, at least the new BD is actually HD as opposed to an upscale. Not that it's perfect by any means, but between the German and Universal BD, I think I prefer the color and over-sharp Uni BD as opposed to the pale colors and softness in the German BD. Of course this is just my personal preference.
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Finally, the Universal BLU looks like upscaled and super sharp(ened) DVD.

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Gee shoot me but i prefer the new BD look compared to the over filtered German edition which lacks detail, i'm not convinced the detail in the new release is just EE either. Having said that it's hard for me to tell from just a few of the screencaps, maybe we can get Josh in and he'll help me out since he is an expert on Traffic.
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Hmm, intriguing. I'm kind of ambivalent on these really. Seems like a choice between soft, or more detailed plus a little over-sharpening. It's been ages since this was in the theater, but I remember it being kind of soft and drab. I kind of want a compromise between the two BDs, hard to say though. I may have to rent these and see what they look like firsthand.
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Hmm, intriguing. I'm kind of ambivalent on these really. Seems like a choice between soft, or more detailed plus a little over-sharpening. It's been ages since this was in the theater, but I remember it being kind of soft and drab. I kind of want a compromise between the two BDs, hard to say though. I may have to rent these and see what they look like firsthand.

I remember it as being very sharp and grainy. The capture of Benicio Del Toro looks most faithful on the US blu-ray - harshly sharp and grainy. However, I remember the scenes with Michael Douglas' daughter were heavily blue filtered so the German blu-ray looks most faithful there.

The frame of Catherine Zeta Jones in the park looks wrong on the US blu-ray, it seems to be full of digital noise rather than detail.
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Gee shoot me but i prefer the new BD look compared to the over filtered German edition which lacks detail, i'm not convinced the detail in the new release is just EE either. Having said that it's hard for me to tell from just a few of the screencaps, maybe we can get Josh in and he'll help me out since he is an expert on Traffic.

I don't think it's filtered, just soft. The grain is there.

There's no way Traffic looked like the US release theatrically, that looks nothing like film.
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I don't think it's filtered, just soft. The grain is there.

There's no way Traffic looked like the US release theatrically, that looks nothing like film.

I agree. Traffic was definitely made have a certain "look" and I'd be quite shocked if the US BD is what it looked like in the theater. I think the contrast boost is quite horrid.

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They all look bad... In their own different ways.. I never realized there were so many variations of suckage
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i'm not convinced the detail in the new release is just EE either

here's the German version with some contrast boosting + sharpening
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5830/traffictest.jpg
if there is any real detail advantage, it's absolutely marginal.
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here's the German version with some contrast boosting + sharpening
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5830/traffictest.jpg
if there is any real detail advantage, it's absolutely marginal.

I also tried that myself. result below.

http://www.darkrealmfox.com/Trafficgerbd2.png

Hmmm the hair still seems to have more detail in the new blu ray release and look at items in the car, ok you almost convinced me but not yet, try sharpening that pic and see if you can get a match.
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I'm happy with the hd-dvd version of the movie. I don't see any chnage in PQ or AQ so why spend the lute and double dip.

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I'm happy with the hd-dvd version of the movie. I don't see any chnage in PQ or AQ so why spend the lute and double dip.

The HD DVD edition was an upconvert.

Are you being sarcastic here, i always find it hard to tell online.

Where's Josh, i'm waiting for his review as i know he has a keen eye for these things.
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The HD DVD edition was an upconvert.

Are you being sarcastic here, i always find it hard to tell online.

Where's Josh, i'm waiting for his review as i know he has a keen eye for these things.

Considering his review for the HD-DVD that is funny. Ancient history though.
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