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I am shocked but I got this bluray from BB today. 1080i for the film and the trailer is in 1080p/24.
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I am shocked but I got this bluray from BB today. 1080i for the film and the trailer is in 1080p/24.

F***!

I already put down a 5$ reserve for it. To hell with it then; I'll return it and get the Korean import instead. I had borrowed my cousin's copy of that version so I know that it was done right.

It's such an awesome film; it deserves better.

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If you're going the import route, might as well look at the Japanese version - it's the only Blu-ray to feature the original Korean cut (as well as the international cut present on the US and Korean BDs).
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Damn, what a disappointment. MPI's releases have been excellent up to this point.
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If you're going the import route, might as well look at the Japanese version - it's the only Blu-ray to feature the original Korean cut (as well as the international cut present on the US and Korean BDs).

But does it have English subs?
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But does it have English subs?

Yes, as do the Korean and UK releases.
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Seriously? Is this a manufacture defect? This makes no sense.
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I have the U.K. region 'B' version by Icon Entertainment- it's region locked so won't play on U.S. region 'A' machines but the picture quality is fantastic and it's 1080p.
Personally, I really hated this movie though- I would not recommend a blind buy.

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If you're going the import route, might as well look at the Japanese version - it's the only Blu-ray to feature the original Korean cut (as well as the international cut present on the US and Korean BDs).

Hmm, that is certainly worth considering. I did not know that the Korean cut was available on BD. It's ironic that the Korean release doesn't contain the Korean cut of the film.

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The original cut is actually the Cannes cut, which was a few minutes shorter than the Korean version. Kim changed the ending for the domestic release in response to complaints from Korean critics, and also reinstated Eom Ji-won's more or less gratuitous appearance. The international cut is apparently a bit different than the Cannes cut but retains Kim's first (and preferred) ending -- a preference I tend to agree with. That said, it's a shame the Korean BD got shortchanged, considering the original Korean DVD release included both cuts.
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I have the Korean import and can highly recommend it insofar as pq/aq are concerned. However the special features are not subtitled in english and I'm not sure how it differs from any other cuts of the film.
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I got a US version of this BD from BB about an hour ago but haven't watched it yet. A 1080i transfer will be a disappointment. I will report my impressions after I finish watching the BD.

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My display is 1080i, but my player says 1080i for source direct mode unless something is causing it to go a miss. Let us know. I believe since collecting HD titles in 2006 it is the only 1080i disc of an actual film I own.
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I can confirm when played on my PS3, TV info displays resolution as 1080i. When played on my Samsung 2550, TV displays 1080p, but I think it is just upconverting it, as it does not play at 24 fps.

note - TV is a Sharp 42" 1080p 24fps set.
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I am shocked but I got this bluray from BB today. 1080i for the film and the trailer is in 1080p/24.

I got my copy from BB, too, put it in a few minutes ago and confirmed that the video resolution is only 1080i. That sucks but what are you going to do? Nevertheless, it does have a DTS-HD MA 5.1 soundtrack. Go figure.

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This is a pretty big deal for 2010! They really need to offer a replacement plan for the 1080p disc. if it was shot on video that would be one thing. It was shot on film so it needs to be 1080p/24fps
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Arrives from Netflix tomorrow. Hope it's worth watching.
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Well, they did get one thing right and that is they left BD-Java off the disc.

For those that are wondering about subtitle placement they remain inside the active image area.

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My display is 1080i, but my player says 1080i for source direct mode unless something is causing it to go a miss. Let us know. I believe since collecting HD titles in 2006 it is the only 1080i disc of an actual film I own.

I have several UK releases in 1080i...The Reader, Bangkok Dangerous, Elegy, The Firm (2009), The Reader, Sexy Beast, Zack And Miri Make A Porno and the French release of Anti Christ - very disappointing

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A lot of asian masters are delivered in 1080i and are being deinterlaced by the labels. I sometimes work for a German label which has released several asian BDs with 1080i (Three Kingdoms etc.) and the reason is, there is no 1080p master. Only 1080i HDTV masters, mostly 50 Hz (because of China). A lot of labels are afraid of customer complaints and deinterlace themselves. I prefer a native 1080i over a studio-deinterlaced 1080p anytime.

There are also some examples from Dragon Dynasty, where the 1080i/50 HDTV master has been poorly converted, for example the Shaw Brothers BDs.

Antichrist was shot in 25p. But there is no 25p spec for Blu-ray so 50i is the way to go. If you force progressive mode (e.g. on Pio 320) on the 50i you will see no combing and interlacing effects because it is really a 25p master. Same thing for German and Italian Casshern BDs. The Criterion BD of Antichrist has the wrong framerate it is 23,97 fps.
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I watched this BD earlier today and was impressed. I thought the PQ was routine and the AQ not much better, with the exception of the combination horse and car chase across the desert. Nevertheless, the film is funny and occasionally highly creative. The finale was nearly inspired. Recommended.

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I'm really getting sick of companies screwing up releases or making things more confusing than they need to be. Yesterday I sent an email to MPI Media and this is the response I got:

Dear Josef,

Thank you for your inquiry. The licensor supplied us with a 1080i 29.97 HDSR master. Our understanding for this is that the printmaster was 1080i 25fps. A cross-conversion was applied, but going to 23.98PsF introduced numerous field issues, particularly on fast motion. It apparently was decided that a 1080i 29.97 looked best.


Does anyone know why every other country got 1080p from their official authorizer?

I have to give them respect for replying to me so quickly on the subject and in a personal way.
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I'll order the Korean version soon. I'd get the Japanese one but damn... $90? I already splurged on Nausicaa not too long ago...

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A lot of asian masters are delivered in 1080i and are being deinterlaced by the labels. I sometimes work for a German label which has released several asian BDs with 1080i (Three Kingdoms etc.) and the reason is, there is no 1080p master. Only 1080i HDTV masters, mostly 50 Hz (because of China). A lot of labels are afraid of customer complaints and deinterlace themselves. I prefer a native 1080i over a studio-deinterlaced 1080p anytime.

There are also some examples from Dragon Dynasty, where the 1080i/50 HDTV master has been poorly converted, for example the Shaw Brothers BDs.

Antichrist was shot in 25p. But there is no 25p spec for Blu-ray so 50i is the way to go. If you force progressive mode (e.g. on Pio 320) on the 50i you will see no combing and interlacing effects because it is really a 25p master. Same thing for German and Italian Casshern BDs. The Criterion BD of Antichrist has the wrong framerate it is 23,97 fps.


Maybe that explains the lipsync that seems to be a problem with asian films released by Cineasia in the UK. I've imported several films from them and at least half have had minor to major lipsync issues that wasn't consistent enough to adjust out using my AVRs delay. Seems like Three Kingdoms was one of them, but I believe, if so, it was rather mild compared to the UK release of Empress and the Warriors. When you're reading subtitles it's easier to ignore sync error - but when a thunderous crash in an action sequence sounds like a gunshot from a mile away, echoed through a canyon, it's less forgivable.

I agree, unless they're going to do a quality job that's as good or better than what we can do ourselves, they should leave it alone. Though, a 1080i (broadcast?) master of a 24p film is below standards for BD and justifies a recall IMO, just as Warner did for Terminator 3. MPI should raise their standards regarding the fidelity of their source materials. But 1080i may be better than the import premium: paying considerably more for a disc that has useless extras that either won't play at all or aren't subtitled in English, especially if it too is ultimately sourced from an inferior 1080i master.

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Our understanding for this is that the printmaster was 1080i 25fps.

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I thought "printmaster" referred to, well, prints? How is "1080i" applicable here?
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I don't buy it, why would the source be 25fps? South Korea is an NTSC country.

But if they truly got an already converted 50->60Hz master they were hosed. Of course determining if it's a conversion or simply 23.976fps with 3:2 pulldown applied would be simple, and if it was the latter they should have been able to extract the original progressive frames (though if the pulldown wasn't clean that could have caused some problems.)
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I am at a loss as well. A 1080i 50hz PAL master? BS! Why is the trailer in 1080p/24fps? This was shot on film so the master should be 1080p/24.
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I don't buy it, why would the source be 25fps? South Korea is an NTSC country.

I wish it were that easy. Yes, Korea is NTSC territory but the third party company handling ditribution may be based out of a PAL country. A lot of times these films are bought for US release from european distributors like Atlas, Europa, TF1, Distant Horizon and so fourth. And most of the times they're not willing to supply a competitor with top tier materials either. Too bad.
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CJ handles their own international distribution, although I suppose it's possible a European distributor picked up the U.S. rights and sublicensed them to IFC.
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Yes, as do the Korean and UK releases.

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