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This one was treated with your run of the mill Warner filtering and bit starving (not all catalog titles are affected). But there it is. I will not outright condemn it but for the A/V geek in me I felt it could have been much better.


Big improvement over the laserdisc and the DVD of course. No denying that fact. The blu-ray should be good enough I guess until we get another remastering in the future.







*laserdisc not included with screenshots

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Blu-ray US file size: 37.30 GB

Bitrate: 16.71 mbps VC-1


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          

Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        

---------------------
00100.MPLS                                                      VC-1    4:02:12 40,059,303,936  43,701,588,151  22.05   16.71   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2178Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     HAMLET
Disc Size:      43,701,588,151 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.4

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00100.MPLS
Length:                 4:02:12 (h:m:s)
Size:                   40,059,303,936 bytes
Total Bitrate:          22.05 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
VC-1 Video              16708 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2178 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2178 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             German          192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
* Presentation Graphics         Japanese        44.771 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         51.257 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          44.061 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          54.475 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         48.586 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           37.084 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         43.157 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Danish          41.983 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         44.037 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       45.502 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         46.079 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Japanese        50.464 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00020.M2TS      0:00:00.000     4:02:12.559     40,059,303,936  22,052          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  

Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  

--------------  --------------  
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STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00020.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0xEA            VC-1                                    14532.476               16,708                  30,350,519,706  165,156,998     
00020.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           14532.476               2,178                   3,955,798,216   23,488,515      
00020.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             fra (French)            14532.476               448                     813,824,256     4,541,430       
00020.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             deu (German)            14532.476               192                     348,781,824     2,270,715       
00020.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           14532.476               192                     348,781,824     2,270,715       
00020.M2TS      4356 (0x1104)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           14532.476               192                     348,781,824     2,270,715       
00020.M2TS      4357 (0x1105)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           14532.476               192                     348,781,824     2,270,715       
00020.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          14532.476               45                      81,329,961      468,180         
00020.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           14532.476               51                      93,111,971      531,122         
00020.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            14532.476               44                      80,040,281      460,616         
00020.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            14532.476               54                      98,957,844      563,587         
00020.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           14532.476               49                      88,260,017      504,219         
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QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: HAMLET
Disc Size: 43,701,588,151 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No
Playlist: 00100.MPLS
Size: 40,059,303,936 bytes
Length: 4:02:12
Total Bitrate: 22.05 Mbps
Video: VC-1 Video / 16708 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2178 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
Audio: French / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -4dB
Audio: German / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Audio: Spanish / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Audio: Spanish / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
* Subtitle: Japanese / 44.771 kbps
Subtitle: English / 51.257 kbps
Subtitle: French / 44.061 kbps
Subtitle: German / 54.475 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 48.586 kbps
Subtitle: Dutch / 37.084 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 43.157 kbps
Subtitle: Danish / 41.983 kbps
Subtitle: Finnish / 44.037 kbps
Subtitle: Norwegian / 45.502 kbps
Subtitle: Swedish / 46.079 kbps
* Subtitle: Japanese / 50.464 kbps

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Early shots floating around have not been too promising... I'm looking forward to this!
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There are a lot of bitrates in the early teens there, Warner really need to sort themselves out

Well it could have been one of the best discs there is.
judging by the shots its just ok, nothing more
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I guess I'll go ahead and order it. The Yorick shot looks pretty bad but the shot of the wedding is really a dramatic improvement over the DVD. I've bought this on laserdisc and DVD and saw it on the big screen on its original release and have the one-sheet poster in my TV room. It's not what it could have been, due to to bitrate deprivation; but it looks pretty good, nonetheless.
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The figures at the edges of the wedding scene appear a bit stretched - is this a side-effect of how it was originally shot?

Also, is it the same master used for both?
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The figures at the edges of the wedding scene appear a bit stretched - is this a side-effect of how it was originally shot?

That would most likely be an optical effect from the camera lens.
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Well, considering the size of the disc I'm out. I knew I was out before this but that bitrate is just horrible for a serious film like this. Grain will hardly be apparent and you can bet on gigantic compression issues when it blows down to 10mbps in lit scenes which it looks to do quite often, even more than GWTW imo from looking at the graph. After watching Last Year at Marienbad at a hefty 36 the entire film, and an entirely stable and beautiful grainfield to boot, I cannot believe in this. I know it's 4 hours but it still could have been better. What happened to maxing that disc space? I have seen criterion go all the way up to 49GB.
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There is not a huge amount of movement in Hamlet. That, combined with the amount of filtering and no reported compression artifacts, makes me think that they could have saved even MORE bits in the compression without making the picture look significantly worse. Obviously they didn't have to filter the picture so much, as there was still plenty of disc space to use up. What a waste.

I suspect that the compressionist might not be to blame, but rather what was done to the movie before it arrived at that stage.
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Pretty sad that another 70mm film looks lower in resolution than most 35mm films. I don't think the bitrate has much to do with it, they just used a weak master. Plenty of films look much more detailed at comparable bitrates, even Warner ones.
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Nothing to see here. Just a typical Warner smoothie. Move along, move along.
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Seriously folks what BS! a 4 hour movie taking up 37gigs! WTF Warner! The film was shot on 65mm and I don't know what the resolution of the transfer was be it a 1080 scan or 2K? Something with this resolution really needs a 4k scan at a minimum and 6k would be better.

This is a massive problem with catalog titles since bluray came out using dvd masters. Bill Hunt mentioned this recently as well is if they are using the 1080 scan that was used on the dvd for the transfer it isn't enough of a jump to look decent on bluray.
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Nothing to see here. Just a typical Warner smoothie. Move along, move along.

I'd argue that the amount of detail lost for this film is much greater than in most of Warner's smoothies. I was expecting soooo much more from this film. Ah well. I bought it anyways. Never owned it on DVD and the BD is the best version available. I certainly don't expect a remaster of this film anytime in the next decade.
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I certainly don't expect a remaster of this film anytime in the next decade.

Neither do I...
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I thought this one was getting the full remaster treatment but it looks like the same transfer as the dvd. How long ago did that come out?
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37GB disc size is ridiculuous. That being said I never bought the DVD so I already bought the Blu Ray. Doubt we'll ever see anything better given how long it took them to get around to putting out the DVD (I don't see them remastering and re-releasing a new Blu Ray of this flick).
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Oh well, another large format rental

With this being a static movie and with a 20% higher bitrate easily possible I wonder how good this could have looked if Warner would have gone for maximum detail and not minimum bitrate. My guess is: Considerably better, even with a BD50.

And is it only me or do others also get the impression that while other studios try to maximize picture quality Warner often prefers to concentrate on minimizing bitrate?
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The blu-ray should be good enough I guess until we get another remastering in the future.

You are getting mellow, Warner finally wore you down I see

Kidding aside Warner obvuiously does not deliver blunders like Spartacus, Patton or Predator but still I would hope that they shoot for "excellent" more often than for "good enough".
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Warner has some type of corporate mandate to half-ass everything when it comes to quality. They've been doing it since at least the DVD days. And its why I don't buy their discs anymore.

ROFL!

I am not saying you are 100% right but that was really good!
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Grain will hardly be apparent

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And why does everybody expect a 65mm production to be grainy. One of the advantages of shooting 65mm is that you get alot more density on the frame. Just compare to the IMAX scenes in The Dark knight or the Cinerama scenes in HTWWW. Not much grain for the naked eye in 1080P resolution.

HTWWW despite its significantly larger negative area does indeed have visible grain and The Dark Knight is not really a good comparison as by virtue of its 3 times larger negative area it will have significantly less grain than Hamlet with everything else being equal.

And yes, I agree that it couldn't be heavy grain or a grainy picture but on the other hand I cannot see anybody in this thread demanding Hamlet to look grainy on Blu-Ray.
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