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Trolls in a Warner thread? Surely not.
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I just got my copy today and it looks very similar to the Batman Begins HD/BR. Which i dont think is a bad thing. The film is pretty soft looking but not too soft, great colors and nice blacks and whites. It was my first time seeing it so i have no clue what it looked like at theaters.
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Fantastic, they have that awful soft BB look to them with a touch of TDK-like processing.

I'm glad to see a Warner title will actually default to lossless audio though, not to mention DTS-HD 24-bit.

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I just got my copy today and it looks very similar to the Batman Begins HD/BR. Which i dont think is a bad thing. The film is pretty soft looking but not too soft, great colors and nice blacks and whites. It was my first time seeing it so i have no clue what it looked like at theaters.
That's correct. As I said earlier it looks fantastic.

Fantastic in regards to the best it could ever look on Blu-ray however, which is how everybody here should be judging it if you ask me.

Could AVC have brought out the picture quality even better? Very likely, but that's really only apple and oranges regarding this particular transfer.

Warner's VC-1 encode is still of a very high quality for this film, and the source material appears as it did in theaters, so I'm happy. No digital tinkering is a foot here either as previously mentioned. Now, what they need to do now is sort out The Dark Knight. I'm crossing my fingers they will around the time the new film hits theaters.
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Blu-ray however, which is how everybody here should be judging it if you ask me.

Could AVC have brought out the picture quality even better? Very likely, but that's really only apple and oranges regarding this particular transfer.

no.
its not only AVC, its VC-1 + warners bunch of amateurs at work. hand the movie over to sony and Im quite sure the PQ would be better.
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Personally, the detail in those shots are very average and well below what a modern BD release is capable of. The grain is very fine and intact as I remember it in the theater, and while the film had a softer look to it, there was a great amount of detail. I hope those aren't the real captures because it would be a bit disappointing for me.
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its not only AVC, its VC-1 + warners bunch of amateurs at work. hand the movie over to sony and Im quite sure the PQ would be better.

I doubt it in the case of Inception. As has been mentioned the shots are representative of how it looked in digital theatres, and I assume Nolan/Pfister must have signed off on the digital master.
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I never remember seeing trailers on Inception that looked mind blowing quality wise,so why are people getting upset about the transfer. It has i really good amount of detail on my 42inch i could only imagine it will look bad ass on a bigger set.
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As a side note: new Harry Potter had absolutely no visible grain and looked mostly soft. I hope this isnt a new trend in theaters...i remember the last time i saw awesome grain at the theater was the Mummy part 3.
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I doubt it in the case of Inception. As has been mentioned the shots are representative of how it looked in digital theatres, and I assume Nolan/Pfister must have signed off on the digital master.

Since when are digital theaters the standard for image quality?
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Since when are digital theaters the standard for image quality?

Since they became widely established? I would have liked to see a 35mm screening but I didn't really have a choice and I suspect it's the same for many others (and it will only increase.)

Anyway I was just saying this has likely little to do with Warner's usual VC1/compression shenanigans.
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Fantastic in regards to the best it could ever look on Blu-ray however, which is how everybody here should be judging it if you ask me

I don't think that's true at all (though in this case I blame Nolan and his DP's anti-digital sentiment rather than Warner Bros). We've seen how amazing 65mm and IMAX can look on Blu-Ray. Parts of Inception were shot in 65mm and Vistavision, but I saw almost no tangible difference in quality throughout the movie. If they went back to the original large-format negatives, I suspect this could be a stunning, reference quality blu-ray by any standard, especially the 65mm originated material; probably every bit as good as the Dark Knight IMAX sequences...
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Since they became widely established? I would have liked to see a 35mm screening but I didn't really have a choice and I suspect it's the same for many others (and it will only increase.)

Anyway I was just saying this has likely little to do with Warner's usual VC1/compression shenanigans.

Digital theaters have been around since 1999 and in 10+ years their numbers haven't increased exponentially.
So I would say there are way more 35mm theaters out there than there are digital.
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Digital theaters have been around since 1999 and in 10+ years their numbers haven't increased exponentially.
So I would say there are way more 35mm theaters out there than there are digital.

One of the two movie theaters in my little town converted completely to 4K digital projection sometime last year, so I imagine this is happening in many places.

I saw Inception in both 4K digital and 35mm. They looked similar, except the digital presentation seemed considerably darker. Both looked velvety smooth and analog, and IMO this blu-ray seems to have more of a digital edge to it, but not horribly so...
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to me the quality varies between various scenes to a point that disappoints me a little.

Overall the quality is indeed ok, definitely not fantastic though, and my opinion is, this transfer doesn't do the movie justice.

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Nice screens, Tyler. Looks pretty much how it did in the theater. What I mean by that is, it looked a bit 'soft' in the theater, too. So did 'The Prestige' and some other films of Nolan's. I guess that's just how he shoots them. I'll take this transfer over the transfer 'The Dark Knight' got, any day.
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no.
its not only AVC, its VC-1 + warners bunch of amateurs at work. hand the movie over to sony and Im quite sure the PQ would be better.

Yes, that too.

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I don't think that's true at all (though in this case I blame Nolan and his DP's anti-digital sentiment rather than Warner Bros). We've seen how amazing 65mm and IMAX can look on Blu-Ray. Parts of Inception were shot in 65mm and Vistavision, but I saw almost no tangible difference in quality throughout the movie. If they went back to the original large-format negatives, I suspect this could be a stunning, reference quality blu-ray by any standard, especially the 65mm originated material; probably every bit as good as the Dark Knight IMAX sequences...

Oh I agree. I was referring to the theatrical presentation, as opposed to it looking like the IMAX sequences from The Dark Knight.
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Still no word on a scandinavian release?
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So, after doing a bit of research on the upcoming FYE edition Steelbook for 'Inception,' I'm pleased to report that the steelbook will be Blu-ray sized and not DVD sized! I think this will be the first FYE steelbook that is like this. However, I think only the Blu-ray comes with it, whereas the regular release includes the DVD + Digital Copy. That's a bit of a disappointment, since the price is $10 more than the regular release.
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Can someone provide a screencap of Arthur standing while everyone else is lying down in the hotel? This is right before...

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... the hallway fight scene, right at the point when that scene's score kicks up.


I recall this shot being very soft in theaters. I wanted to know if it was the same on the Blu-ray.

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Since when are digital theaters the standard for image quality?
Since I bought an HDTV back in 2002.

All my local non-digital theaters without exception project blurry beat up prints that are softer than a DVD. Some project the trailers on a digital projector before the movie and it's absolutely shocking how terrible the actual feature looks when it starts.
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Since I bought an HDTV back in 2002.

All my local non-digital theaters without exception project blurry beat up prints that are softer than a DVD. Some project the trailers on a digital projector before the movie and it's absolutely shocking how terrible the actual feature looks when it starts.
Well it's not the standard. fyi. Ask any true projectionist...they will say a properly displayed 35mm print will destroy digital projection.
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Maybe an old 1280x1024 projector.
The average release print simply does not carry 4K resolution.
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Yeah, um, we saw this happen with Aliens: random person posts leaked images and they turn out to be from a recompressed rip. No one is going to take seriously images from someone with no history of posting accurate shots. We'll wait for someone credible like Xylon.

That said, what in the hell is the deal with the DVD + Digital Copy inclusion lately. This case must weigh like 3x what it should. And the stupid banner ruins the cover art. Barely anyone uses the digital copy disc and the DVD should get its own version. Stop bloating up the new format with all this crapola.

To each their own. I like these Blu-ray + DVD releases because my parents get a free copy of the movie.

I'm sure when the studio's finally figure this is what usually happens to the DVD copy they'll stop with these releases. Thankfully the studios are slow to catch on to these things.

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To each their own. I like these Blu-ray + DVD releases because my parents get a free copy of the movie.

I'm sure when the studio's finally figure this is what usually happens to the DVD copy they'll stop with these releases. Thankfully the studios are slow to catch on to these things.

I use the DVDs to make my own higher quality (and DRM-free) digital copies.
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I use the DVDs to make my own higher quality (and DRM-free) digital copies.

I use the bluray itself
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I use the DVDs to make my own higher quality (and DRM-free) digital copies.

Same.

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I use the bluray itself

Not sure I would do that even if I had a BD drive on the computer. I can rip and compress a full size retail DVD down to 1GB in about 25 minutes. I'd imagine a BD would take much longer, and look about the same on my iPhone or my netbook.

Back off man, I'm a scientist.
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To each their own. I like these Blu-ray + DVD releases because my parents get a free copy of the movie.

That's what I hated about the HD-DVD combo discs. The DVD was on the opposite side of the disc, so you couldn't give it to someone else!

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Same.



Not sure I would do that even if I had a BD drive on the computer. I can rip and compress a full size retail DVD down to 1GB in about 25 minutes. I'd imagine a BD would take much longer, and look about the same on my iPhone or my netbook.

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Here is a treasure trove full of 1080p screen caps from the blu-ray.

http://www.nolanfans.com/inception/gallery/stills

I'm looking forward to getting the blu-ray! Plus, this is a great website for any Nolan fans out there.
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