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post #121 of 140 Old 02-25-2011, 10:12 PM
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You guys have to see it in motion. I can only see a degradation in the B&W scenes when I'm comparing and looking for it. I didn't find it bad at all in the new version.

As for the saturated color...that's another story. Still hard to judge if the newer is worse or just, well, different.

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Will Lionsgate ever deliver a proper remastered version of a movie in the first attempt?

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The Facts:

Fact 1:

Lionsgate sucks

Fact 2:

See Fact 1
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I think I'll pass on the remaster. It's been a while since my last viewing, but I thought the Sony disc looked pretty good already, despite being one of the very early MPEG2-with-PCM-crammed-on-a-BD25 dealies. The new one definitely looks like a bit of a mixed bag with regards to the new colors and bizarrely bad B&W segments. I know Nolan supervised it, but it looks like a bit of revisionism took place.

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Pathé UK SE DVD vs Sony USA Blu-ray vs Sony Spain Blu-ray vs Lionsgate SE BD













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Lionsgate put some effort into cleaning it up, for example the purple scratch that is static on the entire shot of the car pulling up on every other disc but mostly removed for their version. There is some contrast wavering in their mushy B&W scenes and fades to black happen slightly earlier than Sony's master (also later for fades from black).

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The last set of colored ones (3rd from bottem) looks alot better on the new master. OF course the new one has some dissappointing b and w.

I just bought this and will watch it this week. Would be nice if a pc guru could mix the old b and w with the new master colored portion.

God i cant even fathom the work that would involve.
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Looks like the new version is more saturated and has increased gamma. I suspect the Sony version is closer to the theatrical release. I have been in Sony's post production operation and it is carefully done. I also saw this at the theater and I do not remember the film looking this saturated in the theater. Of course Nolan can do whatever he likes with the film.
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I'll just say two things.

1.) I don't trust Lionsgate to handle a title properly, while I do trust Sony.

2.) I won't be satisfied with Christopher Nolan's personal involvement with this disc until I see documented footage of him supervising the entire transfer. Until then "Director Supervised" is just a marketing gimmick, in my opinion.
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Nice disappearing curtains trick. Are we sure Sony had nothing to do with this release?
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Christopher Nolan approving this transfer is about as good as William Friedkin approving the blu-ray release of The French Connection.

Memento is my second favorite movie of the last ten years. City Of God being my favorite.

I saw this four times when it first came out and I also last saw this in the cinema in 2008. I also owned the Sony Blu-ray at that time.

Faults and all the original sony release is closest to the the original release color wise.

The movie was never this saturated and has always had a more muted color scheme.

While not perfect those who want the version closest to the original theatrical release. I would recommend that you pick up th OOP sony release as soon as possible.

This new version looks like something made in 2008-2009, with it's slick glossey presentation. This is not what the film looked like in 2000.
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Wow. The B&W pics on the Lionsgate BD looks terrible.

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I'll just say two things.

1.) I don't trust Lionsgate to handle a title properly, while I do trust Sony.

2.) I won't be satisfied with Christopher Nolan's personal involvement with this disc until I see documented footage of him supervising the entire transfer. Until then "Director Supervised" is just a marketing gimmick, in my opinion.
I agree.
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I have the original release and it's one of my favorite movies of all time. I upgraded that from the DVD special Edition. But I have to ask is the

Memento (10th Anniversary Edition)

worth a double (in fact in my case triple) dip?! Anyone think the upgrade is worth it?
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Yes, but hold on to that original release for the better defined black and white scenes.
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I watched this over the weekend. Compression and such is much better due to the new master. I will say it did look oversaturated to me, and the b and w scenes were not very appealing quality wise.

Still personally i thought it was good overall, but yes it could have been better.
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Completely unacceptable!! Haha. You possibly contradict yourself in your own post, with all due respect. You said: "like someone was trying to make the B&W scenes look more like 'artistic flashbacks'. Perhaps (I obviously don't know for a fact) C. Nolan decided that the B & W scenes look exactly like they look on the new Lionsgate disc? Artistic decision since he IS the director of the movie.
If you tell me where Nolan told the world that he purposely blurred up the B&W segments then I'd certainly change my mind. Friedkin had no problem explaining what he did with French Connection.

However if this wasn't his intention and some moron at a computer is behind this then yes, blurring his B&W segments for no reason is still completely unacceptable.
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there is a japanese BD by Amuse which is said to look better, but is slightly cropped at the sides and also has those dirty lines we know from one of the minority report discs.
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eric.exe posted earlier on this thread, he said its probably the old master.

Or is it the new master? Do you have any more details or where you found that information?


Actually screenshots right here, looks like the old transfer, not that its necessarily a bad thing for the b and w.

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/blu-...-showgate.html
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cant tell whether its a new or old master, but the colours dont seem to be that dark.
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I got hold of the original Sony disc, watched it yesterday. And there's not much wrong with it, TBH. Nolan's love affair with anamorphic was to begin with this film, and the usual qualities are evident. It doesn't 'pop' but it was never likely to, and there's still lots of fine detail there. Some slight edge halos, nothing too serious. Nicely grainy look to the B&W sequences. Blacks maybe not as deep as they could be, but respectable enough. Colour looks perfect to me.

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