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Are you suggesting that the executive is flat out lying about the fire and created false comparison clips?

I'm still not sure if you're serious

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This is what you're talking about, right? It's obviously a goof. The negatives for the Big Lebowski are safe and sound in some vault.
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Are you suggesting that the executive is flat out lying about the fire and created false comparison clips?

This has to be a joke.
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This film definitely has been restored. At least for the HD-DVD format. It is NOT true to say that they simply just "didn't do a new transfer."

Jebus Christ! What the hell are you talking about? It is a new film from 1998, original negatives are most likely in very good condition and do not need any restoration.

HD DVD and Blu-ray both derive from the same master that was probably produced in early 2000s for DVD, TV broadcast, etc. and not for native high definition presentation. It is poor quality, filtered, sharpened, (filtered again for Blu-ray), etc. Suffers from different digital artifacts, edge enhancement, etc.

The Big Lebowski needs a new transfer. Think about Gangs of New York or Gladiator. Both from the same era of late 90s/early 00s and used same or similar cameras and film stock. Initial Blu-rays for both films were absolutely awful, but the remastered Blu-rays are one of the best looking catalog titles on BD. The Big Lebowski may not look as awful as Gladiator and GONY did, but it could look a significantly better if a brand new trasfer was made.
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I'm not going to order the US/DNR edition...
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I AM the Dude.
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I guess the joke was on me then. I didn't get what was funny about it, though.
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wow, you really notice a huge difference when comparing the HDDVD and bluray, thanks for the comparison, i'll just keep my HD-DVD. It is sad that Universal just destroys their transfers...
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Thanks for the comparison too! The HD-DVD is the winner.
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Thanks for the comparison too! The HD-DVD is the winner.

Both are losers
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Both are losers

So go ahead and watch the DVD over the HD-DVD, then. You'd be the one losing.
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I really am curious who sits there and goes man lets make this orange, then it will look sweet.

I wish we could get a recall like gladiator but that wont happen.
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I really am curious who sits there and goes man lets make this orange, then it will look sweet.

Some guy who just rolled a big spleef and is like, whoa, the dude abides better in orange.

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Highest contrast = BD
Clarity = BD
Poorest resolved grain = HDDVD
Most EE = HDDVD
DNR = BD (?)

I'll take the BD in a shouting match, but it isn't anything to brag about....
And, yeah, The Dude deserves better.
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I agree, I think the BD is better, overall.....doesn't say a lot though. Either way, I'll be getting this...one of my favorite comedies.
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No question, I'll be picking this up. No matter how many times I watch it I find something new that cracks me up. In fact, I may make a couple of Caucasians in honor of the dude on blu.

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Guess I need to give this film another shot. The one time I saw it after it was first released I didn't really understand the love for it.

Stephen.

Chances are very good that I was drinking when I posted the above.

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*Judging by the screencaps*<------ disclaimer
The HD DVD looks like the better presentation. The BD reminds me of Tremors and Apollo 13. 'Nuff said.

Of course, with neither of them being good, it's like the BD is a kick in the groin whereas the HD DVD is a somewhat gentler kick in the groin. It's what I'd prefer if I had no other choice but at the end of the day I'll still be walking funny.

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Guess I need to give this film another shot. The one time I saw it after it was first released I didn't really understand the love for it.

I will repeat my take on The Big Lebowsky. I saw it on cable after it came out, and was similarly baffled. I watched it again and liked it more, and again and I liked it even better.

Upon further viewings I began to lose my fondness. It started looking cutesy-wootsy, as so many lesser Coen Bros endeavors can do. I decided, at least for me, that my reactions were a bell curve.

It does have a truly rabid following, however.

P.S. I'm not sure about all the "fire" business, but Universal had a truly horrendous fire in the past decade that destroyed a great deal of their back lot. It's not impossible that it got some of their negatives.

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THe blu-ray does look in better shape clarity wise then hd dvd. I will probably take it over the hd-dvd, but i can only imagine the result with no orange and no dnr. Would have been nice.
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Hold on here. THere are actually people that say that the Blu-ray has better clarity over the HD-DVD? What are you guys on? Just because the Blu-ray has some of the worst DNR ever seen (up to the levels of Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition), doesn't mean that it has more "clarity."

Please look at captures again. All you have to do is notice that the HD-DVD actually has visible texture in the clothes and in the skin. The Blu-ray is a blurred mess.

It doesn't happen often. But this is yet another example of an HD-DVD slapping the Blu-ray in the face. Universal yet again, producing absolutely terrible results.
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Hold on here. THere are actually people that say that the Blu-ray has better clarity over the HD-DVD? What are you guys on?

Probably whatever Jackie Treehorn slipped into the Dude's Caucasian.

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Yep! I like how you put it...."the hd-dvd is like a softer kick in the groin." I'm a but more leniate on it because its like what, $5? It still looks decent on a 106" screen, too! It isnt blurry either. The bluray isnt only "slightly" worse. It's levels worse.
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Yep! I like how you put it...."the hd-dvd is like a softer kick in the groin." I'm a but more leniate on it because its like what, $5? It still looks decent on a 106" screen, too! It isnt blurry either. The bluray isnt only "slightly" worse. It's levels worse.

Oh believe me, my $5 HD DVD ain't going anywhere. It's an old master and has plenty of artificial sharpening but I'll take lackluster over "Tremors-esque" any day of the week.

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Lots of PNG shots from the Blu-ray here. I am disappointed but I preordered with a groupon so can't really cancel. I will enjoy the lossless.

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I'm still not sure if you're serious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN1VHdW2wXY
This is what you're talking about, right? It's obviously a goof. The negatives for the Big Lebowski are safe and sound in some vault.

LOL. Hilarious. I was waiting to see Mortimer Young make a comeback. His intro on the 'Blood Simple' DVD was great, as was the commentary by another member of the fictional 'Forever Young Films.'

"This evening's title, 'The Grand Lebowski'" - LOL

From the 'Blood Simple' Wikipedia article:

The 2001 DVD release features several spoofs of DVD 'special features'. One is an introduction to the film by fictional film historian "Mortimer Young", who claims that the Director's Cut removes some of "the boring bits" and adds other parts; this was also included in the theatrical release of the Director's Cut.

It also includes an audio commentary by "Kenneth Loring", the fictional artistic director of the equally fictional "Forever Young Films". Loring offers several entirely spurious "facts": for example, he claims that the scene with Ray and Abby driving in the rain, talking about Marty, was acted out in reverse as well as upside down, to synch the headlights of passing the car just as certain lines were said (he claims that filming the scene backwards and upside down was the logical choice to get the timing right, and that the actors are wearing hair spray to keep their hair pointing "down"). Elsewhere in the commentary, he claims that, in scenes with both dialogue and music, the actors simply mouth the words and record them in post-production, so they won't interfere with the music; that Marty's dog is animatronic; that the sweat on various actors is "movie sweat", gathered from the flanks of Palomino horses; that Fred Astaire and Rosemary Clooney were at one time intended for the film; and that a fly buzzing about is not real, but the product of computer generated imagery. "Loring" is voiced by actor Jim Piddock, using a script written by the Coen brothers.
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Based on those screenshots, the HD DVD is clearly the better presentation. The HD DVD has better clarity and more accurate color. The white balance is off on the Blu-ray.

My $7.99 HD DVD continues to be a real bargain.

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Hold on here. THere are actually people that say that the Blu-ray has better clarity over the HD-DVD? What are you guys on? Just because the Blu-ray has some of the worst DNR ever seen (up to the levels of Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition), doesn't mean that it has more "clarity."

Please look at captures again. All you have to do is notice that the HD-DVD actually has visible texture in the clothes and in the skin. The Blu-ray is a blurred mess.

It doesn't happen often. But this is yet another example of an HD-DVD slapping the Blu-ray in the face. Universal yet again, producing absolutely terrible results.

Clarity is not the same as detail, notice I said it was still an orange dnr mess. Clarity I mean as in the master is in better shape. If you read what I read blu-ray had way more potential, look at those caps if it would have not had dnr and orange, it would have been great.

You forget to point out while the hd-dvd has no dnr it does have terrible EE there both bad, so i could ask what your on.

HD-dvd clearly shows more detail however.

And I think there both terrible.
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I may make a couple of Caucasians in honor of the dude on blu.

OK, not that thar is funny....I don't care who you are...
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Guess I need to give this film another shot. The one time I saw it after it was first released I didn't really understand the love for it.

I understand your POV here.
When I first saw TBL, I wasn't too impressed.

Quirky?
Yeah, you bet.
But the Coen Bros. had set a pretty high bar with Raising Arizona.

Perhaps, more importantly, I knew many Lebowskis during my earlier years.
For those who HADN'T, the character probably seemed very funny and/or original.
However, for me, not so much.
Maybe because there are/were many "Dudes" running around (even to this very day).

Nevertheless, TBL has grown on me.
Although, not because of "The Dude," rather for the other characters.
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