Originally Posted by mike171979

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Surely your not including the Pixar films that statement.

Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman 

Well, it's like Universal Home Video looking at Out of Africa and somebody noticing that there was some camera shake in one sequence... and assuming they'd just "fix it." They don't look at film as an art form, they see it as a money making commodity.

Originally Posted by S A M 33 

Just saw a beautiful 35mm print of this Saturday night, projected on a HUGE screen in a classic theater.


The wires were not visible to me during the squid sequence, and this was not a "brand new" print.


So although I'm a purist, in this case I'd say the original intent of the filmmakers was to hide the wires. I've got no problem with their removal.


Now diddle with the COLOR on the other hand...


S A M 33

Originally Posted by Strevlac 



Yeah. But considering the modus operandi over there I hardly feel it matters. They did the same thing with the DVD.

Originally Posted by Partyslammer 

20,000 Leagues is being shown on DirectTVs DHNet hidef channel this month and I happen to catch a viewing this weekend. I can't say what they're showing is the same source that will make it to Blu-ray but it *is* definitely a new HD master and there are significant color timing changes and image/frame composition changes as well. There also appears to be a (un)healthy amount of DNR and minor edge enhancement going on as well.
For starters, the opening credits sequence, those background curtains which originally had a rich reddish orange color (which was significantly toned down for the dvd release) are now almost colorless until the blue water reflection is projected on them as the credits roll (which are now in crystal clear light blue). Colors overall feature a significantly desaturated look throughout the movie. Underwater scenes have a much more flat, "blue" look to them. There's numerous darker scenes which have black crush.
Real issues become apparent during the attack and sinking sequence of the "nitrate" slave ship at about the 1 hour mark. In the original movie and all previous home video presentations, as the Nautilus waits in the lagoon for the ship to leave with the tide, the sun sets over a warm, orange cloudy sky - however in the new HD print, the sky and clouds are now tinted blue (although the sun is still warm yellow/orange) and the lagoon waters reflect a darker bluish hue. When the Nautilus is about to ram the ship and there's several fast cuts between Nemo's face and the ship from his POV, in the original film the ship was "stretched out" in the frame *on purpose* to give it more of an imposing size on screen even though it does make the ship look out of proportion - in this version, the brief shots of the ship have been zoomed in and the proportion corrected. It *may* be a better choice compositionally but it's not what the original scene look(ed) like.
There's several other notable issues like the above throughout the movie where apparently the restoration team either didn't understand the director's intent and thought they were "fixing" things that weren't actually issues or the decision was simply made to correct what they perceived as problems in individual scenes for "today's audiences."
The audio is problematic as well. Much of the movie, the soundtrack is center speaker-specific but at really odd times, the soundtrack will fill the L/R and rear surrounds.
Obviously, a HD broadcast often isn't a really good barometer of what an impending Blu-ray release may look like, but in this case regarding one of my favorite films, it may be a troubling indicator.

Originally Posted by Partyslammer 

20,000 Leagues is being shown on DirectTVs DHNet hidef channel this month .

Originally Posted by cinema13 

You mean HDNet Movies, available on various carriers. Recorded LEAGUES and what I've seen so far looks absolutely fantastic.

Originally Posted by nebrunner 

Disney I want to pay you cash for this and The Black Hole (1979) on bluray. Make it happen!

Originally Posted by nebrunner 

Disney I want to pay you cash for this and The Black Hole (1979) on bluray. Make it happen!

Originally Posted by Brandon B 

Examples that come to mind are the visible pattern of the retroreflector material in the dawn of man sequences in 2001

Originally Posted by Brandon B 

And Disney is always mindful of negative reactions from younger fans to their classics, a group who generally easily dismisses "hokey old style" stuff (their reaction to the original Tron for example, where their test screenings that resulted in withholding the BD until after Legacy made its theatrical release).

Originally Posted by wuther 

Yes Kubrick chose 65mm which is higher definition then 1080p because he did not want people to see stuff! Nice anti-logic there, guess I will have to disregard all the articles and supplements which stated repeatably that Kubrick was on a quest to get the most detail possible for 2001. Kubrick was not present when the ape landscapes scenes where shot by the way at least according to the supplements.
The reason you could not see 'stuff' in theater is because you could not pause, rewind and play in slow-motion repeatedly. Interestingly the ones who make these claims are the often the same ones who 'cannot see' automatic filtering, even when it's thick.
Disney was worried about the exact opposite, that people seeing Tron on BD would not see the sequel thus hurting BO revenue. Thank goodness Disney did the exact opposite of what you are advocating and did not 'fix' Tron, but instead left in the flaws which the director says in the supplements he originally saw and liked despite all the claims 'experts' like to make about such things. If the Tron BD had been done the 'Lowry way' it would of looked quite different and have less detail.

Originally Posted by Brandon B 

A well done blu-ray has stuff that may not have been visible theatrically just due to the absence of gate jitter present in any film projector. Examples that come to mind are the visible pattern of the retroreflector material in the dawn of man sequences in 2001

Originally Posted by wuther 

The reason you could not see 'stuff' in theater is because you could not pause, rewind and play in slow-motion repeatedly. Interestingly the ones who make these claims are the often the same ones who 'cannot see' automatic filtering, even when it's thick.

Originally Posted by Neil S. Bulk 

The 70mm prints of 2001 are so sharp that you can see the grain behind the grain when just still photos are photographed. No Blu-ray can accomplish that.

Originally Posted by Brandon B 

I agree the prints are sharp. I am saying the image on the screen suffers a bit though. I don't know, these film viewings were at the Cinerma dome in Hollywood in the '80s. Maybe their 70mm rig wasn't maintained as well as it ought to have been and had a lot of vibration.

Originally Posted by Neil S. Bulk 

The 70mm prints of 2001 are so sharp that you can see the grain behind the grain when just still photos are photographed. No Blu-ray can accomplish that.