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UHD Bluray cloud?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have heard that UHD Blu-ray Discs will have a feature to upload the content on the disc to an Internet cloud of some sort, and make it available to download/stream to any compatible device. If so, does that mean that the picture of the downloaded copy of the content will look just as good as if you just watched it straight off the disc?
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Many BDs have supported that for years now. UHD will probably have the same thing with the same lowering of pq depending on the studio.
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VUDU is about to start selling 4K movies. Realize that streaming 4K won't look anywhere nearly as good as a UHD or possibly even a good Blu-ray.

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VUDU is about to start selling 4K movies. Realize that streaming 4K won't look anywhere nearly as good as a UHD or possibly even a good Blu-ray.
Streaming 4K won't, but downloadable 4K might.
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UHD Bluray cloud?


The last feature on this list will be news to most, since Digital Bridge has been under wraps until today’s announcement. This feature could be described as “ripping gone legit”, the idea being that users will be able to purchase a Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc and make legal copies of the content onto portable devices – from the disc itself. Currently, studios have had success by bundling a separate “Digital Copy” DVD-ROM disc as a pack-in with flagship Blu-ray titles, but the introduction of Digital Bridge offers a more elegant solution.

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The last feature on this list will be news to most, since Digital Bridge has been under wraps until today’s announcement. This feature could be described as “ripping gone legit”, the idea being that users will be able to purchase a Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc and make legal copies of the content onto portable devices – from the disc itself. Currently, studios have had success by bundling a separate “Digital Copy” DVD-ROM disc as a pack-in with flagship Blu-ray titles, but the introduction of Digital Bridge offers a more elegant solution.
I could not find this today’s announcement of which you write.
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UHD Bluray cloud?

http://www.whathifi.com/news/ultra-h...etflix-quality
In essence if implemented the player will be capable of making a bit for bit copy of a uhd blu ray

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http://www.whathifi.com/news/ultra-h...etflix-quality
In essence if implemented the player will be capable of making a bit for bit copy of a uhd blu ray
That was announced on the 15th May rather then the 'yesterday's announcement' (like more details) you wrote about.
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Hello,

I just posted https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-blu-ray-players/1998370-ultra-hd-blu-ray-specification-logo-finalized-21.html#post40073546 .

Does anyone have any idea how flexible the bit for bit copying will be? If this mean I can access copies across my home LAN between players, then we're potentially looking at a very economic Kaleidescape system at a fraction of the price, so the question is just how much flexibility is there in the implementation, bearing in mind we're going to be seeing data rates of up to 100 Mb/s, any kind of cloud based delivery will be recipe for low bit rate, compressed video and audio, as most people cannot download 100 Mb/s consistently, but across a LAN this is easy, and if the copies are tied to individual devices, I can't see why devices on a LAN couldn't do this and keep the studios happy.

Any thoughts or insight would be much appreciated.

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Well we really need to wait and see from CES what the capabilities are ideally we'll be able to add storage and create a copy (for personal use).


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Does anyone have any idea how flexible the bit for bit copying will be? If this mean I can access copies across my home LAN between players, then we're potentially looking at a very economic Kaleidescape system at a fraction of the price, so the question is just how much flexibility is there in the implementation, bearing in mind we're going to be seeing data rates of up to 100 Mb/s, any kind of cloud based delivery will be recipe for low bit rate, compressed video and audio, as most people cannot download 100 Mb/s consistently, but across a LAN this is easy, and if the copies are tied to individual devices, I can't see why devices on a LAN couldn't do this and keep the studios happy.
If you mean the same high quality, as far as I can tell that is not allowed for the current BD format so why would they for UHD BD? I suspect like currently some degraded version.
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If you mean the same high quality, as far as I can tell that is not allowed for the current BD format so why would they for UHD BD? I suspect like currently some degraded version.
Not true. Bit for bit digital copies ARE allowed for current Blu-Ray. However, Kaleidescape is currently the only retailer who provides them. The reason most digital copy/UV retailers don't provide bit perfect copies is because their bean counters tell them that most consumers are not able to stream content at upwards of 30 Mbps, nor do they have the patience to wait 8+ hours for said content to download. By compressing the files more, they require far less bandwidth and/or time to stream/download, making their product palatable to a larger number of consumers, thereby increasing potential revenue.

Now, with the ability to copy the film directly from a secure disc to secure storage, providing higher quality is now possible without the trade offs in convenience or the high demands on Internet bandwidth that would limit the appeal of the product to many potential consumers.
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Not true. Bit for bit digital copies ARE allowed for current Blu-Ray.
Wrong!!!!! Next you will be claiming AnyDVD makes it 'allowed'.

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Not true. Bit for bit digital copies ARE allowed for current Blu-Ray. However, Kaleidescape is currently the only retailer who provides them.
Kaleidescape is NOT part of the blu-ray format and uses tricky to 'provide' it's service at a additional premium price, it was not created by the blu-ray consortium and far from being supported by the consortium it was fought in the courts.

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Wrong!!!!! Next you will be claiming AnyDVD makes it 'allowed'.



Kaleidescape is NOT part of the blu-ray format and uses tricky to 'provide' it's service at a additional premium price, it was not created by the blu-ray consortium and far from being supported by the consortium it was fought in the courts.
Your information on Kscape is outdated. They started out by providing "secure" rips of DVD's and Blu-Rays and the studios are/were very much against any copying of their content that does not require the original disc for playback or an alternate non-transferable license with attached DRM. However, their business model has been moving away from disc rips and towards digital downloads. The downloads they sell are bit perfect copies of the Blu-Ray version of the film and are sanctioned 100% by the studios whose titles they carry. Kscape is an official UV retailer and a member of the Secure Content Storage Association.
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I still find it very difficult to believe that the UHD consortium would enable widespread adoption of this so-called cloud feature. It would come in handy but sounds far too consumer friendly for an industry that jealously locks down their content from customers.

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If this is confirmed at CES, looks I'll be investing in another external USB HDD for my UHD BD player in the future

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If this is confirmed at CES, looks I'll be investing in another external USB HDD for my UHD BD player in the future
I wonder if the player would be able to reformat a standard external hard drive so that it can be used for storage of "digital bridge" copies or if you'll need a special drive like the WD My Passport Cinema (currently used with Samsung UHD TV's for storage of UHD downloads from M-Go).

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