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How does the floating feather look. That is the reason I bought a 4K tv and UHD player!
It looks good actually! So good in fact that I have no idea how they did that.

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Because some of us only want to buy a UHD disc one time. Not that hard of a concept.
Won't happen; unless they want to keep an inferior version. ...A better version is already looming in a near future...twelve months or so.

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Won't happen; unless they want to keep an inferior version. ...A better version is already looming in a near future...twelve months or so.
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The movie industry in America is big business, and so is Blu-ray 2K , and now 4K.
Look @ the past with 2K; I must have repurchased the same BR titles that I really like (the films) what...three times?

That's all what I meant; nothing last forever and even more so today than yesterday.

* The first 4K Blu-ray movies have been released a month ago? /// How long till some of those titles get a remastering? ...April 2017? ...Like a true 4K remastering.
That's all the light there is...
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Won't happen; unless they want to keep an inferior version. ...A better version is already looming in a near future...twelve months or so.
Not sure why you chose that post of mine to quote, read the next couple and I cover your argument.

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I just replied to what I've read and understood clearly the content and the context.

Some people will only buy the true 4K Blu-rays, others will buy the ones that look better than the regular Blu-ray irregardless if it's true 4K.
4K won't be different than Blu-ray; they'll have better remastering eventually.
Me too I just want to buy 'The Martian 4K' only once. And I want to make sure of that, so I read all about it.
If an improved remaster shows up in the future, I'll have to make sure it's worth it. But that title appears to be a safe bet for @ least the next 2-4 years.

And you're right; I could have quoted any subsequent post after yours. But I've read the few ones before first.
Some people read the entire thread and never posted a single post, others read few pages here and there and replied to few posts.

4K Blu-ray won't fly with the general population anyway, and the videophile niche is one always looking for the best and latest version with top picture quality.
This is it right now. ...But just right now. That's all what I meant, no more no less. And some of those 4K Blu-rays, according to the pro experts, are lesser than the very best.
Not all studios are up to top picture quality standards like say Disney. ...In general. ...The masters they use, the crews they hire, the authoring plants, ...

I remember then Disney with non-anamorphic DVDs back in 1997-98.
I remember the poor picture quality of some of the first Blu-ray releases in 2006.
Now in 2016 some of the first UHD Blu-rays won't be the perfect deal either picture quality wise.

I even remember the first VHS movie titles with very poor picture quality and not in their proper screen aspect ratio; only later on that widescreen VHS movies were released.
My VHS tapes, many of them were Pan & Scan.

I only mentioned the past because today and tomorrow is going to be somehow a reflection of it.
Some VHS movies were never released on Blu-ray, not even on DVDs. Some good titles too.
And some bad transfers on Blu-ray are still bad and nothing was done to improve them.
And 'The Abyss' I'm still waiting on Blu.
And the 'Star Wars' saga keeps its VHS tapes in their originals. And the last one is not in 3D yet. ...UHD?

How many years till the UHD Blu-ray library hits 10,000 titles? ...Perhaps what they need is the porn movies to join in? ...But then it didn't catch up in 3D.

Yeah, it is a funny subject: Fake UHD versus real UHD on Blu. /// Or 2K versus 4K. ...Like some Blu-rays using the DVD for their mastering!
How long till 'Spartacus' on real UHD? Never, because it wasn't filmed in 4K.

Anyway, BR 4K is the top right now; fake or real. And Blu-ray 2K has just been superseded, in the year 2016.
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Yeah, it is a funny subject: Fake UHD versus real UHD on Blu. /// Or 2K versus 4K. ...Like some Blu-rays using the DVD for their mastering!
How long till 'Spartacus' on real UHD? Never, because it wasn't filmed in 4K.

???


I'm certain the restored negatives of Spartacus would make it a top candidate for UHD BD, just like Lawrence of Arabia - or masterpieces like Baraka and Samsara and a couple of (shot for) IMAX films.


Yet, I'd suspect that the program content providers find themselves between a rock and a hard place:


Once they release such films that will make UHD really shine they will have set a reference level for UHD BD which most contemporary and other productions will have a hard time to achieve.


But if they don't do it, interest in UHD may wither away.


As a wise guy once said: Do...or do not. There is no try.


Release real 4K content now and as soon as possible.

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How long till 'Spartacus' on real UHD? Never, because it wasn't filmed in 4K.
What an ignorant statement. Film has more resolution than 4K.


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They'll do a 4K "scanning" of the film. ...Maybe; and Baraka and Samsara @ 8K like they did on Blu.

Yes, that was an ignorant comment; that's why I'm here to learn, and the gracious reminder, thank you very much.
• Restoration: http://4k.com/news/spartacus-moive-g...niversal-8344/

Vertigo, Spartacus, Lawrence of Arabia, Citizen Kane, Casablanca, Gone with the Wind, The Wizard of Oz, ...all restored and scanned @ 4K and playing again @ the theater. ...A possibility, like they did with some older films before.

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I don't even know why some people have to argue whether their UHD copy is 4k material, or not. I popped in The Martian, and it didn't take me long to see that it was not in UHD. The difference is so small, it's most likely do to the minuscule increase from 1920x800 to 2048x1080 for anamorphic films. If it's a copy for copy of the 2k DCI source, the only enhancement you're going to get, if any, is if your TV is WCG and HDR capable. Either way, you won't get a higher rez chroma, since it's 4:2:0, same as regular blu-ray. To say I'm disappointed so far is an understatement!
UHD Blu-ray spec supports 444, 422 & 420 so you're wrong about the chroma and I think you may be the only person in the room that can't see the difference in the UHD Blu-ray of The Martian and the regular Blu-ray...optometrists are your friend.

I'll make the point again that even if IMDB lists the last known source format as 2K DI, that doesn't mean that that same exact transfer is being use for the UHD Blu-ray copy (here's looking at you @Nick666 )..fact is..YOU DON'T KNOW what's going on behind the scenes actually, that's called guessing like I mentioned before. You do realize that the majority of IMDB is written by regular users right just like Wikipedia? Granted some industry people contribute, it's not always 100% accurate.

So for all 7 of the people here that support this movement, have fun waiting around for this list to grow. In the meantime I'll be enjoying my UHD Blu-rays in all their glory!

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Hi guys. Ive been watching 4k stream of Elyisum and Chappie via amazon streaming. Once the 4k kicks in both movies generally look fantastic.

So it leave me with the thought... how much better is the same movie via a 4K (or fake 4k) bluray? Is it really worth the hassel?

Thise who have compared the exact same movie via amazon and disc... can you chime in. Is the disc image 10%, 25%... better? Or more 😊
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Just rent the UHD BD of Chappie and find out for yourself.

The Amazon bitrate is only around 16Mb/s. The UHD BD bitrate is at least several times that.

Here is a link to the UHD BD rental

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Don't Sell Short, Movies Shot On Film, Top Quality Negatives = or Surpass 4k

NorthSky said "How long till 'Spartacus' on real UHD? Never, because it wasn't filmed in 4K."

Actually, since 1960's Spartacus was shot in the large format Super Technirama film process, the original camera negative of the film, which has been meticulously restored, possesses a level of resolution that is greater than 4k.

A regular 35 millimeter camera negative possesses a level of resolution that is the equal of 4k, so even a movie shot in standard 35mm can fully exploit the resolution capacity of a 4k digital format, if the negative of such a movie is in pristine condition, and that original camera negative is then used as the source for a carefully done digital scan. (Unfortunately, original camera negatives rarely end up being in such an excellent condition, because they usually suffer the wear and tear that results from prints and dupes being made from them.)

In the case of Spartacus, although the movie was shot on 35mm film, the Super Technirama process utilized for that movie involved running the film horizontally through the camera while shooting it, rather than it going through the camera vertically as in done with a standard 35mm shoot. Running the film horizontally resulted in each frame of the movie taking up a considerably larger area of exposed film than is the case when 35 mm film is exposed the the standard way, which is used for 99% plus, of film productions.

Long story short, the greater area possessed by each frame of a Super Technirama production, like Spartacus, yielded more than 2 times the resolution achieved by exposing 35mm film in the usual way. That's why Spartacus is classified as a large format film, even though it was only shot on 35mm film stock.

And the original camera negative of Spartacus certainly possesses resolution that well exceeds 4k, so that if its original camera negative would serve as the source for an 8k digital scan, as was done with Lawrence of Arabia, for example, the results, in terms of detail and resolution, would fully exploit UHD 4k Blu-ray's ability to render those aspects of performance.

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P.S.- I apologize to you NorthSky, because my comments were written and posted, before I read your later post, where you indicated that you certainly understand just how capable film is of providing very high resolution.
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And I have already apologized for my prior comment in zest.

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Picked up a few UHD Blu-rays today. Revenant, Ghostbusters, Deadpool, Mad Max, X-Men.

Mad Max and X-Men are 2K upconverts and I gotta say they look terrible. It reminds me of what DVD looked like on a HD display. They are really doing a disservice to this format with all this fake 4K.
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Picked up a few UHD Blu-rays today. Revenant, Ghostbusters, Deadpool, Mad Max, X-Men.

Mad Max and X-Men are 2K upconverts and I gotta say they look terrible. It reminds me of what DVD looked like on a HD display. They are really doing a disservice to this format with all this fake 4K.
You are misremebering if you think those look anything like what an upscaled DVD looks like. not even close. plus you add HDR to the mix and they are even better.
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Surely a 2K upscale played in 4K should look as good as playing a 1080p Blu-ray, if not better? From my memory, upscaled DVD on my 50" plasma was nowhere near the level of quality I get watching 1080p Blu-rays on my new 75" 4K panel.
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Unfortunately they did a terrible job with the upconversion. You can do better with your own equipment and the blu-ray.
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My plan is to only buy native 4K or film-sourced releases. I won't buy any of the "uspcales", since I likely already own them on Blu-Ray. At this point, I'm waiting for Sony to open up the floodgates with their UHD catalog, as they have dozens of titles that could sell the format. I predict that will happen after the PS4K is launched and after they announce their first UHD-BD player at CES next year.
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I believe only Fincher's Gone Girl has been digitally shot and entirely made in 4K. So far, every movies has at least some of their CG done in 2K.
So here you go.
The only movies "really in 4K" would be older movies scanned and restored in 4K. I'd love to see a My Fair Lady or Sound of Music UHD release.
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It looks good actually! So good in fact that I have no idea how they did that.
It was a real feather shot against a bluescreen held up with a "monofilament line" with a fan underneath.


Though it was composited digitally, and is probably low resolution (no more than 2K. Possibly quite a bit less considering it was released in 1994).
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Anyone know if the JJ Abrams Star Trek is a 2K Di?

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All three movies have 2K DIs. Yes, even the IMAX scenes in the second one.

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UHD Blu-ray spec supports 444, 422 & 420 so you're wrong about the chroma and I think you may be the only person in the room that can't see the difference in the UHD Blu-ray of The Martian and the regular Blu-ray...optometrists are your friend.
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I'm quite sure UHD Blu-ray only supports 4:2:0. However upscaling from 4:4:4 1080p to UHD Blu-ray 4:2:0 should get you increased chroma resoloution compared to 4:2:0 Blu-ray.

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/Do...per_150724.pdf

eg. for BDMV HDR it says it must be 10bit, ...4:2:0.
Also, the spec it says it uses HEVC main 10, which, according to wiki is 4:2:0.
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Just found a site called http://realorfake4k.com it is slim on depth but even in its breadth it tells you what you want to know.

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I believe only Fincher's Gone Girl has been digitally shot and entirely made in 4K. So far, every movies has at least some of their CG done in 2K.
So here you go.
The only movies "really in 4K" would be older movies scanned and restored in 4K. I'd love to see a My Fair Lady or Sound of Music UHD release.
The first 4K end-to-end movie shot on digital was 2008's "Reach For Me". It was shot on the Dalsa Origin 4K cinema camera, which actually pre-dated the RED ONE camera system that became the flagship camera for 4K.
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I just learned that several IMAX titles have been released on UHD BD: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/IMAX-E...lu-ray/160308/


Unless these partially contain CGI images, they should all be native 4K, right?

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I just learned that several IMAX titles have been released on UHD BD: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/IMAX-E...lu-ray/160308/
Unless these partially contain CGI images, they should all be native 4K, right?
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I just learned that several IMAX titles have been released on UHD BD: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/IMAX-E...lu-ray/160308/


Unless these partially contain CGI images, they should all be native 4K, right?
Most likely yes. Grand Canyon Adventure says they scanned the Imax negative at 8k. The other two, Tornado Alley and Idden Universe were finished on Imax film, so most likely scanned at a higher than 4k resolution.
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Just got off the phone with my friend who is a home theater dealer who specializes in UHD BD.


According to him Lucy on UHD BD is nothing short of a revelation and his new reference UHD BD.


Here is a review that seems to agree: http://ultrahd.highdefdigest.com/32906/lucy4k.html


"The image is outstanding in 2160p with every nuance of detail popping right off screen. You'll be able to notice every facial mark and makeup effect easily here, and how it changes in the different light and shadows."


Since Universal apparently can do it, can we please have Oblivion on UHD BD fixed?
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