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UHD Discs with HDR and 60p output

The only UHD HDR discs I have currently played are Angry Birds and Concussion. I am playing these with a Samsung UBD-K8500 and a Sony XBR55X930D. When I have the HD Fury in line it reports the output from the Samsung player is UHD HDR 4:4:4 24p. I am not sure if that is an issue with my setup or both of these movies are truly only 24p. I want to try get something something that plays at UHD HDR 4:4:4 60p to make sure the Celerity cables I am testing are up to the challenge. From what I can tell both the Sony and the Samsung are capable of UHD HDR 4:4:4 @ 60p

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1) Are both of these movies only recorded at 24p?
2) Is there something I need to setup to get 60p playback?
3) If these movies are only 24p, what do people recommend for 60p playback?

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The only UHD HDR discs I have currently played are Angry Birds and Concussion. I am playing these with a Samsung UBD-K8500 and a Sony XBR55X930D. When I have the HD Fury in line it reports the output from the Samsung player is UHD HDR 4:4:4 24p. I am not sure if that is an issue with my setup or both of these movies are truly only 24p. I want to try get something something that plays at UHD HDR 4:4:4 60p to make sure the Celerity cables I am testing are up to the challenge. From what I can tell both the Sony and the Samsung are capable of UHD HDR 4:4:4 @ 60p

Some questions:

1) Are both of these movies only recorded at 24p?
2) Is there something I need to setup to get 60p playback?
3) If these movies are only 24p, what do people recommend for 60p playback?

Thx
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There are no UBD's at 60p. No one uses higher than 24p. You might be able to find some test footage online of 60p sources, but nothing commercially available.

There might be a 60p disc in the future. Ang Lee shot Billy Lynn's Halftime Walk in 3d at 4k 120fps. It's possible it could get a 60p release. But that is still unknown; I'm just conjecturing.

60p is for future proofing 4k HDR gaming.
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The only UHD HDR discs I have currently played are Angry Birds and Concussion. I am playing these with a Samsung UBD-K8500 and a Sony XBR55X930D. When I have the HD Fury in line it reports the output from the Samsung player is UHD HDR 4:4:4 24p. I am not sure if that is an issue with my setup or both of these movies are truly only 24p. I want to try get something something that plays at UHD HDR 4:4:4 60p to make sure the Celerity cables I am testing are up to the challenge. From what I can tell both the Sony and the Samsung are capable of UHD HDR 4:4:4 @ 60p
To the best of my knowledge, there aren't any 60 fps UHD Blu-rays out yet unfortunately. Also, the UHD Blu-ray spec doesn't support 4:4:4 UHD Blu-rays. It supports 4:2:0 video only.

But check the player manual to see if there's an option to change the video format output setting (there is on the Panasonic UB900).

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Joe & Puddy,

Thank you very much for you responses.

I guess it is off to by a Murideo tester to validate UHD 60Fps 4:4:4 video.

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I didn't think UHD supported 60p at all - or 3D....
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I didn't think UHD supported 60p at all - or 3D....
UHD Blu-ray supports 3840x2160 at 60 fps (UHD TV will support 100/120 fps and LG demonstrated 100 fps UHD with HDR at IFA http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/lg-hfr-201609054359.htm). 3D isn't supported on UHD Blu-ray.

See http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/Do...per_150724.pdf

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I didn't think UHD supported 60p at all - or 3D....
Maybe you mean 48fps.
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Maybe you mean 48fps.
Speaking of which, Can we finally get the HFR versions of the Hobbit? I sure hope so.
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Speaking of which, Can we finally get the HFR versions of the Hobbit? I sure hope so.

The only thing that has ever kept the HFR versions of The Hobbit trilogy from being released are the lack of compatible display devices. The scathing reviews of the HFR screenings certainly are a factor too, but we're talking technicalities here. Unless the industry decides to give HDTV one last big upgrade with new features like HDR and variable refresh rate, we'll likely never see the HFR versions again.
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Well, you could just do the PAL fakery thing and run the 48fps at 50fps. Then you can use standard 1080p50.
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Well, you could just do the PAL fakery thing and run the 48fps at 50fps. Then you can use standard 1080p50.
Yes - they can encode it at either 1080p50 (eg. sped up ~4%) or 2160p50 or not sped up and either interpolated a bit or frame repeated/blended at either 1080p60 or 2160p60. I think the 2160p versions would be more likely to be used - even though it will likely be an upscale from 2K - and give better chroma than a non-upscaled version. Of course this would currently be in 2D - that would still be okay. For 3D they would need to use either 720p50 or 720p60 currently (if using HFR).
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Speaking of which, Can we finally get the HFR versions of the Hobbit? I sure hope so.
If a UHD edition is ever released it will very likely be at 24fps.
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I hope it stays at 24fps I use a UH480 Anamorphic lens with my JVS RS600 and I love it, BUT it will only adjust a 24fps movie into anamorphic mode. I was streaming some 4K material on Roku and it only outputs at 60fps and the RS600 blanks out the adjustment. So safe to say, I will not be streaming much at all in the 4K category

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Hey all,

I'm glad I stumbled on this thread I am hoping someone here can confirm my thinking and setup.

I have a Sony XBR-X43800D that's 4K and HDR 10 compliant The TV has 4 HDCP 2.2 ports but only 2 support [email protected] All support [email protected] and 2 are [email protected] One of the enhanced ports is the TV's ARC channel which I want to use with my sound bar so it turns off and on automatically with the TV leaving only 1 advanced port free without the need for a switch to add ports. My main streaming device for HDR support is a Chromecast ultra as it has the most HDR support including Youtube HDR. My other 4k compatible devices are a ROKU Premiere+ and Xbox one S The ROKU i run as regular 4k without HDR as I don't need it for HDR. the Xbox one s is mainly a disc and media player with a few games on the side I have already confirmed HDR works on discs on a non enhanced port. Will this continue to remain a stable setup for a while so I can enjoy the benefits of both ARC and HDR for a while now?

Thanks There are always the built in apps for android TV as well that support HDR streaming and 4k The only reason for the external CC Ultra is the built in YT app currently doesn't do HDR.

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While the thread has been updated, I'll also mention that the only film UHD BD at 60 fps (that I know of) is Ang Lee's "Billy Lynn's Long Half-time Walk" (60 fps UHD 2D - not out quite released yet in all territories - obviously 120 fps 3D 4K in originally in some cinemas) and that there is also apparently a 50 fps nature UHD BD (Namibia - The Spirit of the Wilderness).
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While the thread has been updated, I'll also mention that the only film UHD BD at 60 fps (that I know of) is Ang Lee's "Billy Lynn's Long Half-time Walk" (60 fps UHD 2D - not out quite released yet in all territories - obviously 120 fps 3D 4K in originally in some cinemas) and that there is also apparently a 50 fps nature UHD BD (Namibia - The Spirit of the Wilderness).

Thanks for the update . Sounds like as i buy UHD blu-ray discs i'll most likely encounter standard 24p like traditional HD blu-ray. If I were to encounter a 60fps blu-ray down the road, how would it deal with a setup where 4k could do 60, but HDR was limited to 30, based on the port i have the player connected to?
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Thanks for the update . Sounds like as i buy UHD blu-ray discs i'll most likely encounter standard 24p like traditional HD blu-ray. If I were to encounter a 60fps blu-ray down the road, how would it deal with a setup where 4k could do 60, but HDR was limited to 30, based on the port i have the player connected to?
I don't know. I haven't tried it (I'm sure someone else can give a better answer. But what is likely to happen is likely in the TV manual and what the player is likely to do on certain content type is likely in the manual for the player). My guess is if the source was 60 fps UHD and the port you have can't handle it, I assume it will tell you and/or won't play at all ((eg. black screen, possibly with a message), - I doubt it will downconvert it to something else. Another possibility that I doubt will happen is it will try to play it but fail (ie. stutter. Like some high frame rate videos that play on TVs but not correctly - like the processor(s) can't handle it properly). Since there's (as far as I know) only 1 60 fps UHD BD currently (Billy Lynn...) I think it will be publicised quite a bit when there are more. Also, next year I think will likely be the 100/120 fps (and HDMI 2.1) capable UHDTVs out (I think likely OLED ones at least).

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Received Billy Lynn today from Amazon. For $19.95 USD, I was pleasantly surprised it contained three discs...(1) UHD 4K/60fps, (2) BD version, and (3) 3D version. Initial play through Panny 900 and Epson 5040 was impressive...bright colors, sharp details, and extremely smooth judder free pans. However, this was only SDR Rec 709 as likely I have HDR limiting factors somewhere in the chain to investigate. Just wanted to share first impressions.

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More 60 fps titles coming?

I know the last post to this thread was 9 months ago, but I was hoping it might become relevant again. I recently purchased and watched "Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk". Though I thought the movie's story was average, I absolutely loved the 2.5 times normal frame rate. The difference it makes is remarkable in my opinion. And it was great to see 4K/60p on my screen when I pressed the [info] button on my player's remote. For my setup, watching a 4K HDR 60p blu-ray disc is the pinnacle of my system's capability and I am extremely satisfied with the quality that I experience with it. I very much hope that more and more titles will be released with 60 frames per second playback. I honestly don't know why there aren't already more 60p 4K movies on the market right now. Does anyone perhaps have some knowledge regarding this? Does it have to do with size limitations of the discs? I think the highest capacity discs are 100GB. I'm not very knowledgeable about codecs and the size of movies and such. Also, if anyone knows of any future 4K blu-ray releases that are definitely going to be 60 fps, please let me know.
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I think it's more than the majority of people who had watch HDR video like BLLHW, or Hobbit in the theaters, didn't care for the video
James Cameron is bullish on HFR and will use it for the upcoming Avatar sequals, but I don't see any other directors/producers that are actively looking to use HFR for their movies

I didn't see either in the theater, but watch BLLHW UHD on my home setup. I don't care for this realistic video (like the soap opera effect), but I was probably more distracted by the very average (at best) script that this movie had

HFR will probably work best for sporting events, but not so much for movies
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For those who like 4K60P in Bill Evans - try PC gaming. Assassin's Creed Origins and Final Fantasy XV with max settings running on my 1080Ti SLI PC setup in 4K HDR 60FPS look more stunning than any movie I have seen via my Oppo 203. To me, PC gaming is the true pinnacle of 4K HDR. I guess Xbox One X would also do it but you won't get the full visual effects as you do in PC with every option maxed out. Even some checkerboard upscaled 4K HDR games on PS4 Pro look really great (Horizon Zero Dawn).

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UHD is specced at 4k 10 bit 4:2:0 BT2020 24-60fps I believe. The real issue is HDMI bandwidth which for HDMI 2.0 is simply not capable of 4k 10 bit 4:4:4 BT2020 60fps and for that you need HDMI 2.1.

The HDMI limitations are more about gaming where the common requirement of 4k 10 bit 4:4:4 60fps will not be comfortably supported until HDMI 2.1, but there is crossover with UHD if 4:4:4 and 60fps is used, particularly with DV and its 12 bit colour depth.
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Gemini Man is 60fps too. Looks great!

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