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CyberLink PowerDVD Certified for Ultra HD Blu-ray Playback

"If you’ve been dreaming of making the leap to Ultra HD Blu-ray playback using a HTPC, CyberLink’s latest news should put a smile on your face. The company’s stalwart PowerDVD software has recently been certified for Ultra HD Blu-ray playback by the BDA."

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It should be possible for them to do Dolby Vision from PC too no? I was under the impression games could do it.
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It should be possible for them to do Dolby Vision from PC too no? I was under the impression games could do it.
I'm not going to make assumptions but I am curious.

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Curious if it's going to require Windows 10 and PlayReady 3.0, as 4K Netflix streaming requires.

More info about that and 10-bit HEVC hardware decoding:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/...-edge-browser/
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It should be possible for them to do Dolby Vision from PC too no? I was under the impression games could do it.
Example of Dolby Vision support on Windows PC:

Mass Effect: Andromeda gameplay in Dolby Vision & HDR10 (Dolby Vision on PC)
http://totalgamingnetwork.com/showth...4-Pro-Gameplay




There are 2 main game application architectures:
1. Game uses services through APIs exposed by the Windows / console operating system
2. Game uses services through APIs exposed by the game engine.
The "game engine" can be developed by a 3rd party software house or by a "game software house".




As far as I know, the free cross-platform Amazon Lumberyard game engine is currently
. waiting for the Windows / console OS built-in support of HDR10
. supporting Dolby Vision on Windows: the Dolby Vision SDK has been integrated into the game engine in a few days.
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1023597/

As dynamic metadata are missing in HDR10, the HDR10 TV’s tone mapping is not properly done.
The proper tone mapping has to be done outside the HDR10 TV: "App does tone mapping".
This proper tone mapping is carried out by the game app according to the collected HDR capabilities of the HDR10 TV.
As there "is quite a bit of work to query HDR capability", the Amazon Lumberyard team waits for the Windows / console OS built-in support of HDR10.

"Dolby Vision, one of the standard for HDR is currently supported on the Windows platform. Lumberyard's Dolby Vision implementation works on legacy cards as well, e.g. NVidia GTX980 or older, PASCAL is not required, same goes for AMD. HDR 10 is the other standard, which Windows and Xbox has announced plans to support through the OS, and other consoles might too. When that occurs, Lumberyard will support it as well.
Before Windows and Console OS has the support, it is quite a bit of work to query HDR capability and switch the display to HDR mode. Some vendor SDKs like Nvidia Gameworks support this query and switching mechanism for some TVs, but since OS built-in support is coming (soon), we don’t currently plan on incorporating the vendor specific HDR into Lumberyard."

https://gamedev.amazon.com/forums/qu...blurayforum-20









Dolby Vision compatible demo game based on Amazon Lumberyard game engine running on Windows PC > NVidia Titan X graphics card >> HDMI >> Dolby Vision compatible Vizio R TV

https://twitter.com/nvidiageforce/st...40315099340800

So, there are 2 HDR game application architectures:
. game depending on OS built-in support of HDR10 / Dolby Vision
. game not depending on OS built-in support of HDR: HDR10 / Dolby Vision features are integrated into the game / game engine.
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Universal audio/video receiver (Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, etc.) is achieved.
Universal HDR TV (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR, Dynamic HDR) is required.

Push for universal HDR TV!
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Any word on drives to read the discs?

There are a handful of BDXL drives that unofficially seem to be able to recognize UHD Bluray discs, but so far no one (to my knowledge) has released a drive they claim supports UHD bluray.

EDIT, NM, your other post had more info.

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Suddenly, my desire to own an Xbox One S (or Scorpio) has vanished entirely.

I wonder if AMD SmoothVideo, SVP, or DmitryRender will work with PowerDVD Ultra HD Bluray version. (for 60fps interpolation)

All I want for Christmass, is a PC-based Atmos sound card or codec! That would save me 2 grand on a pre-pro. OTOH, unless said sound card can do DSU uscaling from normal 5.1 / 7.1 content, it's not nearly as useful.

Anyway, this is a big step, and worth celebrating. Hurrah!

Hopefully there will be a slim UHD Bluray drive for my swanky new HTPC case available at some point.
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Suddenly, my desire to own an Xbox One S (or Scorpio) has vanished entirely.

I wonder if AMD SmoothVideo, SVP, or DmitryRender will work with PowerDVD Ultra HD Bluray version. (for 60fps interpolation)

All I want for Christmass, is a PC-based Atmos sound card or codec! That would save me 2 grand on a pre-pro. OTOH, unless said sound card can do DSU uscaling from normal 5.1 / 7.1 content, it's not nearly as useful.

Anyway, this is a big step, and worth celebrating. Hurrah!

Hopefully there will be a slim UHD Bluray drive for my swanky new HTPC case available at some point.
Lolololololol, yeah. I hope HTPCs finally realize their true potential and land at the top of the AV tech food chain. GTX 1080, here I come. Yes, PC Atmos sound card would be the best thing imaginable at this point.
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But are there any PC Optical Drives compatible with 4K Blu-Rays?
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But are there any PC Optical Drives compatible with 4K Blu-Rays?
Not yet but this development offers a strong hint on timing for when we might see those.
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Interesting, AACS 2.0 might be cracked after all then.

I'm surprised they have not learned from history, once a software player is released it will be reverse engineered in a very short time.
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Interesting, AACS 2.0 might be cracked after all then.

I'm surprised they have not learned from history, once a software player is released it will be reverse engineered in a very short time.
I was thinking the same...
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Interesting, AACS 2.0 might be cracked after all then.

I'm surprised they have not learned from history, once a software player is released it will be reverse engineered in a very short time.
I never thought we'd see a drive released for this exact reason. I thought they would go the SACD route and hide the format from PC users.

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Maybe they realized that preventing HTPC from accessing UHD would not help them in any way possible. If the pirates can't access UHD, they'll just settle for the bluray, its not going to push them to buy a UHD player and discs. On the other hand, UHD BD needs all the adopters it can get and UHD Cyberlink WILL result in additional disc sales of premium priced UHD discs, though I couldn't guess what number that might be. Then again, based on online chatter, I'd say there is a huge portion that will not buy UHD discs for htpc unless they can rip to hard drive/server in full quality, so the real sales bump may actually occur after anydvd starts supporting UHD discs.
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This sounds like good news, but like most everyone else here, I'll believe it when the UHD Blu-ray drives come to market. Perhaps we will see them at CES 2017????? Otherwise, it would seem Cyberlink's announcement is premature as the BDXL drives can recognize the files on the disk, however, aren't they lacking some encryption tech which is required?

IIRC, doesn't the UHD Blu-ray spec allow for copying a disk to a PC and then viewing that file? I could be mistaken, but I thought that this was part of the spec.

And lastly, without a HTPC solution, I certainly will not be investing in any UHD Blu-ray disks.
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LG now has certification for selling UHD playing PC drives.
All the way at the bottom of the page HERE.
Since their latest drives have the hardware capable of reading UHD, it'll be interesting to see if it only requires firmware to support AACS 2.0.
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LG now has certification for selling UHD playing PC drives.
All the way at the bottom of the page HERE.
Since their latest drives have the hardware capable of reading UHD, it'll be interesting to see if it only requires firmware to support AACS 2.0.
Interesting, so it's Hitachi-LG. Perhaps we will see them at CES 2017.
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Hope this mean we will see screen captures aplenty.
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Thanks to my BDXL drives, I have several hundred GBs of encrypted UHD Blu-ray data on my server. I'll have to see if this software can play the files back or if it will play them off my BDXL drives...

Or... could just wait for MakeMKV to get updated...

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Dang it. Don't bother buying the version (v16) currently on sale.
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For those of you that are currently using PowerDVD I have a question. Will it automatically start playing a movie without the warnings and commercials? I rip all my BD's and play them on the HTPC and hate having to watch that nonsense. I am hoping to find either a software player or standalone UHD player that will make this easy when I finally go 4k.
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"If you’ve been dreaming of making the leap to Ultra HD Blu-ray playback using a HTPC, CyberLink’s latest news should put a smile on your face. The company’s stalwart PowerDVD software has recently been certified for Ultra HD Blu-ray playback by the BDA."

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Full post is missing the link to the (not very informative) press release: http://membership.cyberlink.com/prog...nt.do?pid=4103
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One interesting bit found via the link to the BD association page is the PC Rom certification:
BD-ROM 4.0 PC Drive Licensee List:

Hitachi-LG Data Storage, Inc.
Taiwan
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For those of you that are currently using PowerDVD I have a question. Will it automatically start playing a movie without the warnings and commercials? I rip all my BD's and play them on the HTPC and hate having to watch that nonsense. I am hoping to find either a software player or standalone UHD player that will make this easy when I finally go 4k.
No. It is bound by the licensing restrictions including UOP.
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Too bad that the video quality of PowerDVD is ridiculous. Take a Blu-ray and compare images side by side between PowerDVD and Arcsoft TotalMedia Theatre, PowerDVD has a yield on completely busted colors, artificial like the cartoon.
At the time (not using the UHD) still rest with the excellent TMT, in the hope that the Arcsoft return to your hand the player, or JRiver implements the full menu.
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No. It is bound by the licensing restrictions including UOP.
I figured, thanks. Can you at least click past them quickly?

I'm really not looking forward to having to handle discs again. It is one of the main reasons I'm in no hurry to upgrade.
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I only use it to determine the playlist to rip on my movies. But to answer above, the movies I've tried will not let you skip past.
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I figured, thanks. Can you at least click past them quickly?

I'm really not looking forward to having to handle discs again. It is one of the main reasons I'm in no hurry to upgrade.
You can skip by them as you would on a regular player. If the disc lets you use next chapter, you can click next chapter, else fast forward (you might be able to click the timeline to skip quickly), or top menu.

I'd wait for AnyDVD to support it first then you can rip the disc and eliminate the whole problem.
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Suddenly, my desire to own an Xbox One S (or Scorpio) has vanished entirely.

I wonder if AMD SmoothVideo, SVP, or DmitryRender will work with PowerDVD Ultra HD Bluray version. (for 60fps interpolation)

All I want for Christmass, is a PC-based Atmos sound card or codec! That would save me 2 grand on a pre-pro. OTOH, unless said sound card can do DSU uscaling from normal 5.1 / 7.1 content, it's not nearly as useful.

Anyway, this is a big step, and worth celebrating. Hurrah!

Hopefully there will be a slim UHD Bluray drive for my swanky new HTPC case available at some point.
I think the only chance of any FI with UHD Blu-ray will be AMD Smooth Video.
SVP and DM are written to work with unlicensed software, nothing has changed there _ unfortunately.
Power DVD simply isn't written to accept third party plug-ins for FI.
The authors for SVP and DR are not interested in joining up with Cyberlink _ I've asked them.

I've also asked LG (again) when/if they plan to release a drive, and just got the same generic answer.
I replied with another question asking if there present readers that can see the files will be able to get a firmware update to AACS 2.0 _ I'm still waiting for a response.

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Too bad that the video quality of PowerDVD is ridiculous. Take a Blu-ray and compare images side by side between PowerDVD and Arcsoft TotalMedia Theatre, PowerDVD has a yield on completely busted colors, artificial like the cartoon.
At the time (not using the UHD) still rest with the excellent TMT, in the hope that the Arcsoft return to your hand the player, or JRiver implements the full menu.
Until there is only PowerDVD nothing UHD.
What about turning off any "enhancements" in settings? Turning off settings such as this has typically been recommended when calibrating TVs, i.e., turning off things like the TV's Sharpness setting. Is there anything similar in PowerDVD that lets the user play the video without any enhancement?
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What about turning off any "enhancements" in settings? Turning off settings such as this has typically been recommended when calibrating TVs, i.e., turning off things like the TV's Sharpness setting. Is there anything similar in PowerDVD that lets the user play the video without any enhancement?
Certainly, each filter or improving mask off.
Unfortunately PDVD has this setting,
contrast, color and sharpness fired to 200% !!!
With this stylish of the 4K and HDR, we are losing on the road of the "fundamentals" for proper vision.
Fortunately players like TMT still run great with 1080p material.
I repeat, do a side by side comparison of PDVD and TMT, we will laugh ...

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