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imagic 01-25-2017 06:51 AM

Cyberlink and Pioneer Announce PowerDVD and Ultra HD Blu-ray Drive Bundles
 
Today, Cyberlink announced the imminent availability of bundles that include both the company's PowerDVD media playback software and Pioneer hardware which to play ultra HD Blu-rays. Click here to read more: https://www.avsforum.com/cyberlink-an...drive-bundles/

PowerDVD 17 Ultra has officially been released. To read more, click this link: PowerDVD 17 Ultra with 4K UHD Blu-ray, HDR, and VR Released

tbonenum1 01-25-2017 09:45 AM

I already have an Xbox One S but eventually I may upgrade my HTPC to enable UHD Blu-Ray support. I do use my HTPC everyday for Plex and/or gaming and occasionally Netflix.

I'm not on the 4K bandwagon yet but am beginning that transition today when my Denon AVR-X6300h arrives. I still need to buy a 4K capable TV of course but I may hold off until the later half of the year to see what becomes available.

Quebecker 01-25-2017 10:06 AM

The drive price is 195$ and 310$ respectively.

It might be cheaper to buy the Xbox One S finally.

I hope other and cheaper drive come soon.

The biggest news in this is I think the powerDVD launch date.

imagic 01-25-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Quebecker (Post 50196145)
The drive price is 195$ and 310$ respectively.

It might be cheaper to buy the Xbox One S finally.

I hope other and cheaper drive come soon.

The biggest news in this is I think the powerDVD launch date.

That's what the drives are selling for in Japan...

darthwhit 01-25-2017 10:16 AM

What are the exact requirements for a PC? Any Kaby Lake or just i5 and i7? Only Intel graphics 630 or 530 too? Must you use those or can you use an aftermarket AMD or Nvidia card? I certainly won't be upgrading soon but it would be nice to know what path I will need to take when ready. A separate player player seems to make the most sense at this point.

Quebecker 01-25-2017 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by imagic (Post 50196337)
That's what the drives are selling for in Japan...

Price usually match pretty well for North America

Utopianemo 01-25-2017 10:22 AM

The news is very exciting! I can't wait to spend countless hours downloading drivers and tweaking countless, vaguely described settings to get my hardware working the way it's supposed to.

......Although now that I think about it, that's pretty much what consumer HT gear has become anyway. Dangit.

nathanddrews 01-25-2017 10:26 AM

From Press Release:

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Ultra HD Blu-ray playback requires Intel® 7th Generation Core™ i5/i7 processors (selected models: KabyLake-S & KabyLake-H), Intel® HD Graphics 630 chipsets, as well as HDR, HDCP2.2 and HDMI2.0a compatible motherboards and displays, which are expected to ship in early 2017.
So you need a Kaby Lake-specific motherboard with HDMI 2.0a? LMAO

Quebecker 01-25-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanddrews (Post 50196881)
From Press Release:



So you need a Kaby Lake-specific motherboard with HDMI 2.0a? LMAO

Holy Jesus.

Not then also. Just like Netflix 4K for PC.

All this because of the Play Ready 3.0

Nvidia said one year ago that they will support it. WTF move your arse Nvidia.

action_jackson 01-25-2017 11:11 AM

I've recently built a 6th generation i5 with an Nvidia GTX 1070, will this be compatible with an update or what?


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nathanddrews 01-25-2017 11:16 AM

It's not NVIDIA's fault, it's Netflix not supporting desktop GPUs. The NVIDIA Shield (using Maxwell GPU, no Kaby Lake CPU) can do 4K Netflix. This is an artificial/marketing/legal/political restriction, nothing more.

wiyosaya 01-25-2017 11:23 AM

Here is the press release on the Cyberlink site. I do not like the idea of having to upgrade my entire HTPC to support 4K. I will not be upgrading for a while anyway as I am waiting for 4K, 65" OLED prices to come down to my comfort level. If, however, I were to have to only buy a new graphics card that supports 4K, 2.0a and 2.2, and then also buy one of these drives, that is a different story. If there are true hardware restrictions, then I do not see this going over too well with at least some HTPC owners. Hardware restrictions are almost as bad as not having PC based 4K UHD BR playback, IMO.

Quebecker 01-25-2017 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanddrews (Post 50198561)
It's not NVIDIA's fault, it's Netflix not supporting desktop GPUs. The NVIDIA Shield (using Maxwell GPU, no Kaby Lake CPU) can do 4K Netflix. This is an artificial/marketing/legal/political restriction, nothing more.

I was believing this for Netflix... But now Cyberpunk too (autocorrect has a sense of humor)

No way.

The problem is PlayReady 3.0

In order to play any UHD compatible material on Windows, you need it. It's the Microsoft answer to completely lock the ecosystem. It need to be implemented in GPU.

Nvidia said they will support PlayReady soon. Intel already does. That's why their newer integrated GPU support it.

Nvidia need to PR more.

goksucats 01-25-2017 12:32 PM

So my buddy was trying to convince me to go the HTPC route this time to upgrade to Ultra HD Blu-ray.

Lol. Guess not. Are they trying to make this difficult? I would have thought opening up the market to more people for HTPC would mean they were going to make it easier and less costly. Guess that is not their intention.

marco centola 01-25-2017 12:38 PM

I have one nvidia gtx 1080 and intel kaby lake 7700 processor.Can I play movies in UHD?Thank you.

mightyhuhn 01-25-2017 12:39 PM

here we are again...
COPY PROTECTION to ruin it all.

acefr 01-25-2017 12:44 PM

I think the initial requirement of Kaby Lake processor may have something to do these processors integrated graphic has hardware decoding capability of HEVC 10bit. This makes it not requiring a desktop GPU. I have no insight whether PlayReady has anything to do with it. It seems PlayReady is late to the party.

Quebecker 01-25-2017 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by acefr (Post 50201401)
I think the initial requirement of Kaby Lake processor may have something to do these processors integrated graphic has hardware decoding capability of HEVC 10bit. This makes it not requiring a desktop GPU. I have no insight whether PlayReady has anything to do with it. It seems PlayReady is late to the party.

Well it was confirmed that PlayReady ruined Netflix 4k on any non Intel 7th gen device.

It's just an easy guess that it's the same reason the requirement are the same for Cyberpunk powerDVD.

Nvidia however have officially announced that they are coming with Netflix 4k and PlayReady... It was however one year ago.

http://images.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/images/pascal-video-playback/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-4k-premium-content.png

acefr 01-25-2017 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goksucats (Post 50200969)
So my buddy was trying to convince me to go the HTPC route this time to upgrade to Ultra HD Blu-ray.

Lol. Guess not. Are they trying to make this difficult? I would have thought opening up the market to more people for HTPC would mean they were going to make it easier and less costly. Guess that is not their intention.

The PC support comes out way too late. Samsung K8500 UHD player was sold around $200 during Black Friday, and I think it will sell under $200 this year as more UHD players coming out. There seems to be very little incentive to get a Kaby Lake HTPC ($500+) and a BD Rom ($100-200) to watch UHD discs.

Quebecker 01-25-2017 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by acefr (Post 50201657)
The PC support comes out way too late. Samsung K8500 UHD player was sold around $200 during Black Friday, and I think it will sell under $200 this year as more UHD players coming out. There seems to be very little incentive to get a Kaby Lake HTPC ($500+) and a BD Rom ($100-200) to watch UHD discs.

Yes.

And I'm sure those cheap Chinese UHD player are not far away.

MIkeDuke 01-25-2017 03:04 PM

ok, maybe I am missing something here. That's all well and good that they are coming out with 4k drives, but from what I have seen, and read, the ripping software companies have given up all ready because 4k is really hard to crack. so why bother putting a drive in a computer if you can't rip? unless i am wrong in that regard.

OzHDHT 01-25-2017 03:08 PM

Yep no way to utilise MadVR with PowerDVD to add value with an HTPC. Pretty damn pointless really. Not to mention 2 HTPC I have are more than powerful enough and Pascal equipped but do not meet the motherboard spec, what a joke..

wiyosaya 01-25-2017 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acefr (Post 50201657)
The PC support comes out way too late. Samsung K8500 UHD player was sold around $200 during Black Friday, and I think it will sell under $200 this year as more UHD players coming out. There seems to be very little incentive to get a Kaby Lake HTPC ($500+) and a BD Rom ($100-200) to watch UHD discs.

From the standpoint of if you already have a stand-alone solution where you have a dedicated player, yes. But if you already own an HTPC that you use for everything else, stand-alone players complicate matters and further clutter the shelf.

These drives won't stay more expensive than stand-alone players for long, and if there is a graphics card that implements all the right copy protection crap, I would rather not have an extra unit on my shelf when I can just put it in my HTPC.

darthwhit 01-25-2017 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wiyosaya (Post 50206713)
From the standpoint of if you already have a stand-alone solution where you have a dedicated player, yes. But if you already own an HTPC that you use for everything else, stand-alone players complicate matters and further clutter the shelf.

These drives won't stay more expensive than stand-alone players for long, and if there is a graphics card that implements all the right copy protection crap, I would rather not have an extra unit on my shelf when I can just put it in my HTPC.

The problem if you already own an HTPC is you can't just upgrade the GPU and optical drive and make it compliant. You need to upgrade the CPU to an i5 or i7 Kaby Lake with HD650 graphics, upgrade your mobo, most likely upgrade your RAM if you don't already have DDR4, and ditch your GPU since it won't work so you would no longer be able to game with your HTPC. You pretty much have a brand new computer at that point. You are only keeping the case, power supply, and hard drive.

RLBURNSIDE 01-25-2017 05:44 PM

This is great news, if only for the fact that it brings us one step closer to allowing us to rip our UHD Bluray collection to hard drives and then apply whatever FI / colourspace conversions we so desire.

I also hope they make slim UHD Bluray compatible BD-ROMs for this soon so I can finish my HTPC build (based on a Silverstone RVZ02 which is pretty slick).

Even if I wouldn't be able to use it right away because I don't have Kaby lake mobo and wanted to buy a Vega 10 for my next GPU. Maybe I should wait until they make something which is AMD-compatible. I mean, it's not like the Xbox One S which uses AMD GPUs needed an NVidia chip, so surely there's a media-protected version of Vega 10 in the works.

This is really the last revision of PowerDVD I ever intend to support via a drive purchase. It is a good idea for them to sell legit licenses for PowerDVD bundled with the drives themselves because otherwise they'd just get pirated immediately. Of course you'll probably have to pay $$$ extra to get Atmos or Dolby Vision or something. Hey, it's a business, right? Hate the game, not the player (no pun intended).

curtisb 01-25-2017 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RLBURNSIDE (Post 50210945)
This is great news, if only for the fact that it brings us one step closer to allowing us to rip our UHD Bluray collection to hard drives and then apply whatever FI / colourspace conversions we so desire.

One step perhaps but on a journey that likely won't end. Hardware encryption requirement in the drive and CPU is something vastly different than in DVD and Blu-ray. I wouldn't get remotely hopeful for the prospects of it happening anytime in the next few years if ever.

wuther 01-25-2017 07:46 PM

2 years from now the hardware requirements will be like water off a duck's back. We are talking early adopters here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Utopianemo (Post 50196753)
The news is very exciting! I can't wait to spend countless hours downloading drivers and tweaking countless, vaguely described settings to get my hardware working the way it's supposed to.

......Although now that I think about it, that's pretty much what consumer HT gear has become anyway. Dangit.

Yeah like HDR requires no tweaking what so ever.

dnoonie 01-25-2017 08:11 PM

Although I find this interesting it's more for nostalgic reasons than for actual use, my first DVD viewing was done with a Creative Tech kit similar to this one for viewing DVDs. The last time I used an HTPC was a number of years ago to view my brothers NZ region DVDs of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. I have my PC connected to my HT but haven't used it in that config in years except for doing presentations.

When I have a reason to upgrade and a purpose for this Power DVD kit I'll get it, although it may never happen.

I'm glad it exists but I'm less into getting stuff like this to work and more into HT space changes and viewing.

Cheers,

wiyosaya 01-25-2017 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthwhit (Post 50209929)
The problem if you already own an HTPC is you can't just upgrade the GPU and optical drive and make it compliant. You need to upgrade the CPU to an i5 or i7 Kaby Lake with HD650 graphics, upgrade your mobo, most likely upgrade your RAM if you don't already have DDR4, and ditch your GPU since it won't work so you would no longer be able to game with your HTPC. You pretty much have a brand new computer at that point. You are only keeping the case, power supply, and hard drive.

For now, and as I mentioned, I am in no hurry to upgrade. As @Quebecker mentioned above nVidia has at least hinted at PlayReady support. I am sure both AMD and nVidia will eventually support PlayReady 3.0 since it will help sell more cards.

JeffR1 01-25-2017 09:12 PM

If you have an NVIDIA GT1080 that is HDCP 2.2 compliant that also supports HDMI 2.0b, what do you need a Kaby Lake processor for ?
If one is going to use the NVIDIA card for UHD Blu-ray, why bother with the measly on-board graphics card in Kaby Lake ?

This is what I don't understand, is Windows set up where it looks for the Kaby Lake processor to play UHD Blu-ray even though one will use an NVIDIA card, or AMD for that matter ?


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