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Wink UHD 4K Blu-ray DISC sales are doing great! 😊👍

So much for those thinking that physical disc media is on a decline or won't be available in the short and long-term future! 🤣

83% increase YoY from 2017 with a 45% increase expected for this year! 😎

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I can't wait until they have more releases that aren't upscaled 2K sources.
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I know old thread, but I recently noticed some odder titles getting to 4K like Moon, Pan's Labyrinth, The Doors, Waterworld all now coming to 4K UHD.

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I know old thread, but I recently noticed some odder titles getting to 4K like Moon, Pan's Labyrinth, The Doors, Waterworld all now coming to 4K UHD.
Some of those probably have 2K intermediates so will be truly 4K just like the 40th anniversary "Alien" disc. The UHD "gold mine" might be in remastering older all film movies. Also Redbox renting to more areas might inspire some of the indie folks to release UHD discs again. Right now Redbox is mostly "tentpole" UHD.
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Just passed through Best Buy, which I haven’t done in years, and went to check out their movies section. Very paltry selection of 4K movies, and the ones they had were so ridiculously overpriced no one in their right mind would buy them. I figured by now they would have at least half their movies available in 4K, and at reasonable prices, but I was wrong on both counts.
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Just passed through Best Buy, which I haven’t done in years, and went to check out their movies section. Very paltry selection of 4K movies, and the ones they had were so ridiculously overpriced no one in their right mind would buy them. I figured by now they would have at least half their movies available in 4K, and at reasonable prices, but I was wrong on both counts.
Keep on eye on their sales and their web site. Things can be shipped for free store pickup, they have some titles you won't find in all their stores.
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There needs to be more "affordable" UHD players. So far just the Magnavox and Philips and I wouldn't be surprised if the Magna is a rebranded Philips. These just play the discs. More sub $100 players might get things going. But of course most people are quite satisfied with streamed 4K.
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There needs to be more "affordable" UHD players. So far just the Magnavox and Philips and I wouldn't be surprised if the Magna is a rebranded Philips. These just play the discs. More sub $100 players might get things going. But of course most people are quite satisfied with streamed 4K.
People aren't buying the inexpensive blu ray players, cheap UHD players won't work either. Too many people still happy with regular DVD's besides streaming. If newer TV's weren't 4K people wouldn't care about that either.
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People aren't buying the inexpensive blu ray players, cheap UHD players won't work either. Too many people still happy with regular DVD's besides streaming. If newer TV's weren't 4K people wouldn't care about that either.
Cheap UHD players will work if people already have streaming on their TV or a device. There has been some discussion here on the Magnavox player but I've never seen it advertised and only BestBuy has it locally. But then I don't count since I got a great deal on an Sony X700.
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I can't wait until they have more releases that aren't upscaled 2K sources.
True. Native 4K discs look the best. Grease is a prime example and I don't care what they say - T2 had that 4K something, even if it was not perfect and redone to look digital! Filming in digital will limit future tech. The REAL Star Wars prequels will suffer in the future, unless it was designed that way to look old as time goes by...
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Just passed through Best Buy, which I haven’t done in years, and went to check out their movies section. Very paltry selection of 4K movies, and the ones they had were so ridiculously overpriced no one in their right mind would buy them. I figured by now they would have at least half their movies available in 4K, and at reasonable prices, but I was wrong on both counts.
Make sure you hit the Black Friday sales. Buy more then you wanted as you can always take them back if you did not want them. You will feel a lot better knowing that you got a deal when the prices rise again. I stocked up and I am happy! I did not watch some because I had to wait for my Atmos receiver to come to watch it that way.
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Make sure you hit the Black Friday sales. Buy more then you wanted as you can always take them back if you did not want them. You will feel a lot better knowing that you got a deal when the prices rise again. I stocked up and I am happy! I did not watch some because I had to wait for my Atmos receiver to come to watch it that way.

There's probably 5-10 4k movies that I want which I don't currently own, so it's really just about finding a deal on those when or if they are on sale. I think you're right though, BF would be the perfect time to score some good deals and pick up those movies I have been waiting on to go on sale.
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When I look over the selection of UHD titles it looks like when the format released a lot of indie studios jumped on board. But they have seemed to have backed off later. I'm more interested in indie and foreign titles than tentpole movies. And I prefer to rent not buy unless it's something I really want and will watch more than once.
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There's probably 5-10 4k movies that I want which I don't currently own, so it's really just about finding a deal on those when or if they are on sale. I think you're right though, BF would be the perfect time to score some good deals and pick up those movies I have been waiting on to go on sale.
I learned my lesson from years past. I would not bother too much with Black Friday and after it was over and the prices were high again - I got mad. The last one, it was all online and no real need to waste time in stores, so that was a bonus. On 4K, Best Buy had the best buys and I got:

T2, Halloween, Straight Outta Compton, Infinity War on 4K for $7.99 each. I would have gotten others, but I only wanted would I would keep in a collection. I also picked up Black Panther, Wonder Woman and a few others for about $4 each on BD. I would have gotten them on 4K, but the price differences were too great for me to move on them. After I saw Infinity War go back into the $25 range, I felt a lot better that I found a bargain. Disney likes selling titles at premiums so when you you get a deal, you have to take it!

I can't even find used bargains on Ebay like I used to...
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Glad to see the numbers , this is one of those times that I'd love to be wrong.

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Keep on eye on their sales and their web site. Things can be shipped for free store pickup, they have some titles you won't find in all their stores.
This! I watch those BB and Black Friday sales. I have never paid over $14.99 for any of my UHDs. Many much cheaper than that. Every time I think about going all-in on streaming, the video will buffer or the internet goes down and I'm back in the physical media camp.
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I know old thread, but I recently noticed some odder titles getting to 4K like Moon, Pan's Labyrinth, The Doors, Waterworld all now coming to 4K UHD.


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Looking forward to Pan's Labyrinth on UHD. Was it ever released with English dubbing?

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Looking forward to Pan's Labyrinth on UHD. Was it ever released with English dubbing?


Not sure but i prefer to watch it with it orginal language and subtitles


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Subtitles are okay by me too. Just for some reason I thought I saw it dubbed one time.

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One thing that perhaps has deterred more indie studios from releasing their films on UHD 4K Blu-ray is HEVC licensing. Streaming content doesn't require a license fee for HEVC but physical content (i.e. UHD discs) does. The Blu-ray spec itself when released support several codecs but UHD only one for 4K. They could have also added VP9 at the time (most players support it anyway especially if they have a YouTube app) and there is no royalty for it. But then again it's the politics of the industry.
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So much for those thinking that physical disc media is on a decline or won't be available in the short and long-term future! 🤣
I'm a huge disc fan, but c'mon. There is no question whatsoever that physical disc media is on the decline in both the USA and internationally.

From MPAA, disc movie sales (DVD, BD, and UHD) have dropped almost 50% in 5 years:


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83% increase YoY from 2017 with a 45% increase expected for this year! 😎
Growth can be a very misleading metric for anything that is new or has small numbers. For example if you and your friend formed a political party in 2017, then 2 people joined in 2018, you could claim year over year growth of 100%, and probably the title of fastest growing political party in the USA. That sounds impressive, but the reality is that it's just 4 people.
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I'm a huge disc fan, but c'mon. There is no question whatsoever that physical disc media is on the decline in both the USA and internationally.

From MPAA, disc movie sales (DVD, BD, and UHD) have dropped almost 50% in 5 years:


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Growth can be a very misleading metric for anything that is new or has small numbers. For example if you and your friend formed a political party in 2017, then 2 people joined in 2018, you could claim year over year growth of 100%, and probably the title of fastest growing political party in the USA. That sounds impressive, but the reality is that it's just 4 people.
BUT the numbers are still in the BILLIONS! Can't see that kind of revenue going away anytime in the foreseeable future my friend.

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I'm a huge disc fan, but c'mon. There is no question whatsoever that physical disc media is on the decline in both the USA and internationally.

From MPAA, disc movie sales (DVD, BD, and UHD) have dropped almost 50% in 5 years:


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https://www.mpaa.org/wp-content/uplo...eport-2018.pdf




Growth can be a very misleading metric for anything that is new or has small numbers. For example if you and your friend formed a political party in 2017, then 2 people joined in 2018, you could claim year over year growth of 100%, and probably the title of fastest growing political party in the USA. That sounds impressive, but the reality is that it's just 4 people.

Nice report. But the best info I saw is on page 33: US physical vs digital and subscription vs transactional... A lot you can extrapolate there! Transactional digital is badly skewing the whole disc vs digital discussion -- but remember, there's not really any high-demand/high-value stuff (on the movie side at least) available with any "all-you-can-eat" digital subscription. And that isn't going to change. Which is why discs (rentals especially) have the advantage!
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UHD remasters of classic films may be the gold mine for the studios. Ones entirely shot on film and didn't have a 2K digital intermediate. "Alien -- 40th Anniversary" for example and more have been announced.
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