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The Terminator (2K or 4K) ? Or whatever else :)

Hi,

I am trying to determine whether or not the original The Terminator (1984) is available in either 4k or 2K?

If not, what is the best format I can get this movie in?

My research is a little inconclusive. I am thinking NO for 4K, but maybe for 2K?

I just bought the latest Panasonic 4K DVD player and some 4K movies like T2 and Predator in 4K UHD, but finding The Terminator is so frustrating :/

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I am trying to determine whether or not the original The Terminator (1984) is available in either 4k or 2K?

If not, what is the best format I can get this movie in?

My research is a little inconclusive. I am thinking NO for 4K, but maybe for 2K?

I just bought the latest Panasonic 4K DVD player and some 4K movies like T2 and Predator in 4K UHD, but finding The Terminator is so frustrating :/

The first Terminator movie has not been released in 4k yet. The best copy currently is the remastered Blu-ray released in 2013. However, note that James Cameron recolored the movie into teal-and-orange at that time, and the disc does not contain the original mono soundtrack, just the 5.1 remix with lousy new sound effects.

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The first Terminator movie has not been released in 4k yet. The best copy currently is the remastered Blu-ray released in 2013. However, note that James Cameron recolored the movie into teal-and-orange at that time, and the disc does not contain the original mono soundtrack, just the 5.1 remix with lousy new sound effects.
Ok, thank you. So would you know if my DVD player will upscale it to 4K ? My understanding of such is limited.

Also, does the package for the remastered 2013 release show it as 1080P or something else?

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Ok, thank you. So would you know if my DVD player will upscale it to 4K ? My understanding of such is limited.
If your player doesn't, your TV will. The fact that a 16:9 1080p Blu-ray displays across the full length of the display means it has been upscaled.

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Also, does the package for the remastered 2013 release show it as 1080P or something else?
The film on disc is 1080p.
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Ok, thank you. So would you know if my DVD player will upscale it to 4K ? My understanding of such is limited.

Also, does the package for the remastered 2013 release show it as 1080P or something else?
Standard Blu-rays are all 1080p.



4K Ultra HD Blu-rays are 2160p. You can identify them with the logo at the top of the case.



If you have a 4k display, any content you feed to it (from VHS to UHD) must be upconverted to the resolution of the screen in order for a picture to appear. However, note that upconversion will not make a lower resolution source suddenly 4k Ultra HD quality. It just means that the pixels in the source get duplicated to fill out the screen.
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Thanks for everyone's replies 🙂

I have spent hours trying to find where i can buy the suggested Terminator Blu Ray 2013 release...but no luck 😞

Can anyone now link me to where I can buy or otherwise obtain the 2013 release of The Terminator Blu Ray 🙂 ?

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This one: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-T...Blu-ray/61372/

There is a Buy Now link to Amazon.

(I don't have it, but the stills I saw look very blue to me).

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This one: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-T...Blu-ray/61372/

There is a Buy Now link to Amazon.

(I don't have it, but the stills I saw look very blue to me).

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This one: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-T...Blu-ray/61372/

There is a Buy Now link to Amazon.

(I don't have it, but the stills I saw look very blue to me).

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You have to balance it with it's less than 10 dollars, and we're not likely see this to remastered to 4K in our or Cameron's lifetime.

A little reading..scroll down in the review for the tech stuff. I have the blu-ray, it's a step up from the DVD.

https://bluray.highdefdigest.com/821...ered_2013.html

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Hi,

I went to the Amazon US link but I couldn't see the 2013 release?

There is one with the same cover picture but with a 90th Anniversary logo for MGM. It says release Date 2019.

So now I am not sure if it is the correct one ?

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It is the remastered version.

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It is the remastered version.

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The 2013 disc has been reissued a few times with different cover art.

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The best version is the 2012 UK release which is remastered but does not have the teal & orange. It still only has the altered audio track though. You can find the original audio if you search the fan preservation sites.

Slightly off topic but I've heard Cameron in the past complain about Lucas changing Star Wars. But the small revisionist changes Cameron is making to his own movies are actually far worse IMO.

Lucas' changes were so egregious that it spawned a whole community of people trying to preserve the originals even going so far as to acquire original film prints and scan them at 4K. But these tiny changes to T1 and T2 are small enough that even most hardcore fans shrug at them while the mainstream audience has no idea they even happened. The original versions of these films are likely to be lost forever.

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The best version is the 2012 UK release which is remastered but does not have the teal & orange. It still only has the altered audio track though. You can find the original audio if you search the fan preservation sites.
MGM released the movie in both the US and the UK. Sadly, it's the same master worldwide. The review you linked to even notes that "greens and blues are slightly elevated, while reds and browns are toned down."

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MGM released the movie in both the US and the UK. Sadly, it's the same master worldwide. The review you linked to even notes that "greens and blues are slightly elevated, while reds and browns are toned down."
Oh yeah you might be right. I guess if you want the original colors you gotta seek out the original 2006 Blu-ray. But that was an older and softer transfer.

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Oh yeah you might be right. I guess if you want the original colors you gotta seek out the original 2006 Blu-ray. But that was an older and softer transfer.
It's definitely a win-some/lose-some situation. The older Blu-ray has more range of colors (which is not to say that they're all 100% accurate), but it's very soft and barely distinguishable from DVD. The new Blu-ray is sharper and more detailed, but the colors have been given a monotonous teal makeover.

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