Originally Posted by bryantc
Josh as a professional reviewer you should already know that it is impossible to get an accurate screenshot of HDR material. These are meant to show the detail not colors or brightness.
First, thank you for deleting your original post and toning down the response. I know that we're all stuck at home and feeling a little on edge right now, but there's no need to make a simple debate about image quality personal.
Regarding screenshots... well, I didn't post them.
And again if you can't see the difference in detail I don't know what to tell you.
Is there a difference in detail in those shots? Sure. Does either one look great? Not in my opinion. The "4k" image may be slightly better than the other one, but it still has a serious lack of surface detail on both C3PO and R2D2. It looks like a lot of detail and grain was sucked out with DNR.
The Chewbacca comparison is also interesting. At first glance, it appears that the bottom shot has a lot more detail in Chewie's fur. However, with about two minutes in Photoshop adding a little sharpening and tweaking the contrast, the top image can be made to look pretty darn close. With professional tools, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to get an exact match. I'm not convinced that what we're seeing there is actual detail rather than just additional processing.
Just for the record in this thread you went from calling the Disney+ versions 4K, then 1080p, and finally 4K again but just bad quality.
I watched A New Hope on Disney+ with my kids a few weeks back and was thoroughly unimpressed. Without doing a direct comparison, the impression it gave me was that Disney had just upconverted the Blu-ray transfer (from my memories of it) and given it an underwhelming HDR grade. When people started saying that Disney had actually rescanned the film elements, I took a closer look and compared directly against the Blu-ray. Doing that, I'll concede that there are differences in the two transfers. Nevertheless, I just don't think that the 4k transfer is "vastly superior" to the Blu-ray. It still looks over-processed in many scenes, and all of the 1997 SE changes are of course atrocious.
Is it the worst 4k image quality I've ever seen? No, what Sony did to Starship Troopers was a disaster, IMO. However, Star Wars still needs a proper and thorough restoration from all of the best surviving original film elements. That means more than just rescanning the compromised 1997 SE negative. Unfortunately, no one at either Lucasfilm nor Disney has any interest in doing that.
I assume you also know that it has already been shown that the HDR on Disney+ is muted and this may or may not be the case on the 4K Blurays.
There's plenty of HDR content on Disney+ that doesn't look muted. I watched Frozen II with the kids yesterday and it looked fine. Even the later Star Wars movies have better HDR on Disney+ than the Original Trilogy.
Could this all really just be a Disney+ problem? I guess we'll see when the discs come out, but I'm not holding my breath for a revelatory improvement.
YMMV, as they say.