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Just because it's from old stock doesn't mean they can't still improve it. Single best example I can think of, go find the OG Batman TV show box set on blu ray, for something that was out on tv in the late 60's the blu ray version is jaw dropping.
Many film stocks from the 1970s proved to be unstable and to deteriorate much more quickly than those from earlier eras. When Lucas made the Special Editions in 1997, the Original Camera Negative for the first Star Wars was faded and damaged almost to the point of unusability. Subsequent video transfers (including the new 4k editions) were not scanned from the OCN, but from a duplicate negative that Lucas struck in 1997, which is a couple generations away from the original and incorporates all of the stupid changes he made to the movies at that time.

Ironically, TV shows from the 1960s were preserved much better than one of the most popular and successful movies of all time.
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Disney’s 4K disc presentation obviously includes all the latest tweaks and changes seen in the Disney+ version, but the image quality is superior in every respect. The average datarate is in the 60-70 Mbps range (vs 15-25 Mbps via streaming) and that extra bandwidth makes a huge difference. Detail is crisp and clean, apart from the occasional optical softness, with well refined fine detail and texturing. Photochemical grain is present but it’s very light. This is also a very restrained high dynamic range grade, which might surprise some people, but it means that the film’s original theatrical appearance is well maintained. Peak brightness is 1000 nits with a deep floor, so the shadows are inky-black while retaining nice detail. The 10-bit color adds genuinely impressive but subtle nuances to the film’s palette. Skin tones are natural, C-3PO’s gold plating has a rich luster, the sands of the Tatooine desert exhibit a greater variation that you’ll have appreciated before. It appears that some extra “film-look” processing has been done to the 1997 and 2004 Special Edition footage, so that while it’s still obviously of lesser resolution than the live action footage, the differences are a bit less glaring than they were on the previous Blu-ray release. This is, quite simply, the best this film has ever looked in the home.

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Anyone have a guess on when the price of this set and individual movies will get discounted?
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I don’t have a 4K Blu-ray player or solid music system, so I can’t really speak too much to the audio or picture quality.

While I’m not much for digging into the sound or picture, I can dig into the more superficial stuff, like the menus and the special features.
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I don't have a 4k player. Are the standard Blu-rays sourced from the new master or are they the same as the 2011 set?
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Disney’️s 4K disc presentation obviously includes all the latest tweaks and changes seen in the Disney+ version, but the image quality is superior in every respect. The average datarate is in the 60-70 Mbps range (vs 15-25 Mbps via streaming) and that extra bandwidth makes a huge difference. Detail is crisp and clean, apart from the occasional optical softness, with well refined fine detail and texturing. Photochemical grain is present but it’️s very light. This is also a very restrained high dynamic range grade, which might surprise some people, but it means that the film’️s original theatrical appearance is well maintained. Peak brightness is 1000 nits with a deep floor, so the shadows are inky-black while retaining nice detail. The 10-bit color adds genuinely impressive but subtle nuances to the film’️s palette. Skin tones are natural, C-3PO’️s gold plating has a rich luster, the sands of the Tatooine desert exhibit a greater variation that you’️ll have appreciated before. It appears that some extra “film-look” processing has been done to the 1997 and 2004 Special Edition footage, so that while it’️s still obviously of lesser resolution than the live action footage, the differences are a bit less glaring than they were on the previous Blu-ray release. This is, quite simply, the best this film has ever looked in the home.

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https://thedigitalbits.com/item/star...rikes-back-uhd
Think these legit look better than Disney+, or is Bill Hunt full of it?

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Think these legit look better than Disney+, or is Bill Hunt full of it?
No Disney+. 4K Physical media is still the choice for the highest video and audio quality experience (source dependent.)

We will all find out soon enough as the 4K Skywalker Saga boxset is now available a$ of today.

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Just watched New Hope today in 4k

I haven't watched the 1080p version in quite some time but was really impressed with the video quality of the 4k transfer. Very sharp, but haven't watched it critically from the standpoint of HDR improvements. The audio was somewhat thin compared to what you get now in Atmos quality but likely expected given the era it was produced. Just my dos centavos.

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I haven't watched the 1080p version in quite some time but was really impressed with the video quality of the 4k transfer. Very sharp, but haven't watched it critically from the standpoint of HDR improvements. The audio was somewhat thin compared to what you get now in Atmos quality but likely expected given the era it was produced. Just my dos centavos.
That's pretty much the same for all Disney 4K Disc releases, along with circa -4 dB recorded audio levels for reasons unknown!
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I don't have a 4k player. Are the standard Blu-rays sourced from the new master or are they the same as the 2011 set?
They are the new masters.

Also the subtitles are burned in on both sets of discs.
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So I broke down and bought the boxset after hearing more positive reviews on the transfers. I have yet to watch any of them, but I just wanted to chime-in to tell you that the sleeve design for the discs themselves is truly evil. When I tried to extract the discs from the sleeves, I could almost hear Palpatine saying "Good... GOOD!" The only way I can get them out is to wedge a fingernail under the edge of the disc, try to get a precarious grip on it enough to get a second finger under it. Then once it's out enough to get a slightly better grip, you still need to have one finger in direct contact with the data (bottom) side of the disc. There's no way to just use a thumb to "push" them out of the sleeves- they're in there TIGHT. Truly an awful design. I may end-up just cutting vertical "slits" so at least I can expose the hub to get a finger in there. The dark side is strong with this.
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So I broke down and bought the boxset after hearing more positive reviews on the transfers. I have yet to watch any of them, but I just wanted to chime-in to tell you that the sleeve design for the discs themselves is truly evil. When I tried to extract the discs from the sleeves, I could almost hear Palpatine saying "Good... GOOD!" The only way I can get them out is to wedge a fingernail under the edge of the disc, try to get a precarious grip on it enough to get a second finger under it. Then once it's out enough to get a slightly better grip, you still need to have one finger in direct contact with the data (bottom) side of the disc. There's no way to just use a thumb to "push" them out of the sleeves- they're in there TIGHT. Truly an awful design. I may end-up just cutting vertical "slits" so at least I can expose the hub to get a finger in there. The dark side is strong with this.

Mine arrived today as well and I concur with your opinion on the truly awful packaging of the individual discs. Fortunately I only have to remove the discs once for ripping purposes then they'll be stored away.
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It's an unfortunate fact with so many boxsets. You pay extra for the collectibility and special packaging and they have worse protection than a standard case. I always put the discs in my own sleeves with sets like this.

Also to make matters more confusing supposedly if you buy the individual movies the 1080p Blu-ray is the 2011 version.
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga - 4K Boxset

In the end I decided to get the individual discs instead of the BB box set. I prefer to have them on the main area of my shelves instead off on the side as would be required with a box set. I was also concerned about the packaging, which I see was warranted.

Interesting about the 1080p Blu-rays being the 2011 versions, but I’ll probably never watch them.

I ordered all the discs online at 8am on release day and they were in my hands at 10am. The local BB is still open for curbside delivery and I was pretty impressed with that operation.

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Has anyone watched the 4k version of TESB?



The Atmos track is very heavy on using the rear atmos speakers but nothing (or very little) comes out of the front atmos speakers. Can someone confirm?
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So I broke down and bought the boxset after hearing more positive reviews on the transfers. I have yet to watch any of them, but I just wanted to chime-in to tell you that the sleeve design for the discs themselves is truly evil. When I tried to extract the discs from the sleeves, I could almost hear Palpatine saying "Good... GOOD!" The only way I can get them out is to wedge a fingernail under the edge of the disc, try to get a precarious grip on it enough to get a second finger under it. Then once it's out enough to get a slightly better grip, you still need to have one finger in direct contact with the data (bottom) side of the disc. There's no way to just use a thumb to "push" them out of the sleeves- they're in there TIGHT. Truly an awful design. I may end-up just cutting vertical "slits" so at least I can expose the hub to get a finger in there. The dark side is strong with this.
Yeah, concur. A real POS to get them out. I might try a scalpel cut to open it up, once I get them out of course.... Good idea.

Update: Just used my finger to gently widen the interior sleeve. It's just glued heavy paper so widens fairly easily...

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I see these can be purchased separately so I might just get the OT on 4K along with Ep 9


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Here is a single screenshot comparison from Ep V.

BD 2011
Disney+ 720p SDR
Disney+ 2160p HDR
UHD

https://slow.pics/c/UzUGdmBf

Improvement between BD and UHD is huge, use key 1 and 4 to switch. But Disney+ is very, very close.
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Here is a single screenshot comparison from Ep V.

BD 2011
Disney+ 720p SDR
Disney+ 2160p HDR
UHD

https://slow.pics/c/UzUGdmBf

Improvement between BD and UHD is huge, use key 1 and 4 to switch. But Disney+ is very, very close.
Brilliant! Thank you!

MUCH better than simply telling everyone to go and find the comparison information for themselves

The Disney+ 2160p HDR is significantly more noisier and with video artifacts as well; which it to be expected given it's as more compressed, streaming source. IMO the UHD Blu-Ray Disc wins hands down.
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So I've gone through and compared the new Blu-ray's to the 2011 Blu-rays for Episodes 1, 4, 5, and 6. I do not have a 4K TV or Atmos. I have a calibrated 60 inch plasma and 5.2 sound. I had both discs playing at the same time on two different players, paused and watched various sections comparing the two releases of the films.

I will preface it to say that the DTS-HD MA 6.1 audio on the 2011 Blu-ray's absolutely smacks the **** out of the DTS-HD MA 7.1 on the Disney Blu-ray's. In every conceivable way, the 2011 mixes are so much more dynamic, enveloping, and authoritative. The Disney releases aren't as bad as stuff like Ultron or Black Panther, but they definitely feel limited in dynamic range.

With Episode 1, I generally couldn't find much difference in PQ, aside from it looked like the DNR seemed a little more intense on the Disney release. The 2011 Blu-ray seemed a hair more natural. I just skipped comparing Episode 2 and 3 since I can't imagine there being much difference given how they were shot.

With Episodes 4, 5, and 6 is where things get kind of problematic. In some instances and scenes, I prefer the color and contrast on the Disney release. I like how clean they typically look, but there's just as many instances where the image looks washed out, lacking in proper color saturation. On the Disney release, Hoth looks more beige and almost warm, when it should look cold with whites and blues, like the 2011 disc. Tatooine in ROTJ doesn't look warm, but washed out. And wow, did Disney just slather on the DNR with these releases. Hair, fog, smoke, and even the puppets have much more detail on the 2011 releases. Jabba, for instance, has much more detail on the 2011 disc. I can see the wrinkles in the rubber puppet. On the Disney, it just looks soft and smudgy. During those instances on the Disney release, it just becomes a smeary mess, complete with frozen grain. The 2011 Blu-ray's are not perfect and might be a bit noisy at times, but there's not much DNR and in general, I prefer the overall look of them. Add that with the vastly superior DTS-HD MA 6.1 audio and I think I'm just going to stick with those versions when I view them. The 4K discs might be different, but given that I've heard people complaining about DNR on those releases as well, I can't imagine them looking much different.



Also, the packaging sucks on the Saga boxset. This is not the proper way to store a disc!
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Also, the packaging sucks on the Saga boxset. This is not the proper way to store a disc!
Could not agree more!!! Cardboard disc sleeves? Seriously WTF
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Could not agree more!!! Cardboard disc sleeves? Seriously WTF
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The sleeves were super tight. If you buy this set, grab an old CD or CD-R and slide it in and out a bunch of times to loosen it up.
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So how much better than the Disney+ 4Ks?

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So how much better than the Disney+ 4Ks?
I'm not a real expert but Bill Hunt over at Digital bits reviewed the whole set said the bit rate is double or more than the compressed Disney+ streams. Said the disks are superior compared to streaming and will probably be the best we will ever get for home theater.
Personally I'm not getting The Skywalker Saga set, I'm going to cherry pick the individual movies. I haven't seen The Rise of Skywalker yet but I'll be looking for it at Redbox tomorrow.
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I'm not a real expert but Bill Hunt over at Digital bits reviewed the whole set said the bit rate is double or more than the compressed Disney+ streams. Said the disks are superior compared to streaming and will probably be the best we will ever get for home theater.
Personally I'm not getting The Skywalker Saga set, I'm going to cherry pick the individual movies. I haven't seen The Rise of Skywalker yet but I'll be looking for it at Redbox tomorrow.
Double the bit rate? Impressive. I was going to pass on these. But now, like you, I will cherry pick the ones I want. Probably IV-VI and Rogue One. I already have VII and IX. I've purged VIII. It no longer exists in my SWU.

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What compression format does Disney+ use? You can't compare the bit rates between disc and streaming. Apples and oranges.

While I have no doubt that the disc has better compression than the streaming version and probably some subtle improvements in picture quality as a result of that, what I would like confirmation of is whether they have the same HDR grade or not.

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Is anyone having trouble with the Sequel Trilogy discs and an Oppo? TFA had some blocking/breakup but last night we tried to watch TLJ and it broke up for a minute and then couldn't play any chapter from about 57:00 onward. I had to fall back on the previous 4k release to finish.

If it's just my set, any idea who I can contact for support/replacement?
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