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post #121 of 149 Old 04-13-2020, 06:44 AM
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Yes, multiple times. Samsung UBD-M7500. I'm going to try and get a replacement where I bought it.

Interesting, starting to get some consistent reports of disc issues now
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Does anyone else's Return of the Jedi freeze during the climax, right after the Emperor says "And now, young skywalker, you will die."? Mine pauses for a second, then glitches, and picks back up a few seconds after.
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Yes, multiple times. Samsung UBD-M7500. I'm going to try and get a replacement where I bought it.
My copy of ROTJ is good, but that same behavior is what I experienced with both of my copies of AOTC and TFA. I exchanged both at the retail level for new copies. TFA now plays (and rips) fine, but AOTC shows the same defect at exactly the same spot (time ~ 6:08). I'm seeking a replacement of AOTC directly from Disney.

Even if you obtain a "good" replacement copy, I would still recommend using the link above to at least express your displeasure with their apparent lack of manufacturing QC with these titles. This doesn't seem to be just a "one off" problem with them...
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How does the copy of The Last Jedi compare to the original release? I've heard the encoding and authoring was changed. Just wondered if the colors improved with this version?
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I had a freezing issue with TROS on both Sony UBP-X700 and UBP-X800M2. Exchanged with Best Buy, new copy works fine.

Have since watched eps. 1-5 without issue.


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My copy of ROTJ is good, but that same behavior is what I experienced with both of my copies of AOTC and TFA. I exchanged both at the retail level for new copies. TFA now plays (and rips) fine, but AOTC shows the same defect at exactly the same spot (time ~ 6:08). I'm seeking a replacement of AOTC directly from Disney.

Even if you obtain a "good" replacement copy, I would still recommend using the link above to at least express your displeasure with their apparent lack of manufacturing QC with these titles. This doesn't seem to be just a "one off" problem with them...
Got my exchange disc for ROTJ. Does not freeze in the same spot, so yay. Of course, I'll have to watch the whole film again to know if there isn't another defect somewhere else.

I filed a complaint with Disney.
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Got my exchange disc for ROTJ. Does not freeze in the same spot, so yay. Of course, I'll have to watch the whole film again to know if there isn't another defect somewhere else.

I filed a complaint with Disney.
Glad to hear you (hopefully) got a good copy. I did get a response back from Disney and you do have to jump through some hoops to get a replacement disc from them.

But in having to take pictures of my disc, I did discover why "my" AOTC disc doesn't work... a good bit of the data layer is damaged. Take a look at the pictures I've attached...
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Unfortunately, my copy of AOTC freezes also but at the 18min mark.
The disc does seem to have a minor scratch from the factory.
I then opened my other SW discs after that happened, and most of them appear to have some kind of minor scratch also at the bottom. This does not bode well...
Instead of watching and enjoying those movies, I will now be dreading that moment should it happen again.
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I watched the The Rise of Skywalker last night in 4k. When I opened the disc up (regular packaging), I noticed a glob of some goop on the disc, and it wasn't from me. I never touched anything but the edge of the disc. I carefully wiped it off. The disc played flawlessly. I was glad of that.

As far as the rest of them go, I think it's a pass. I have VII, VIII, and IX in 4k. The rest I have in BD. I might some day get IV, V, and VI, in 4k. No time soon though; maybe after some time Disney will work out their QC problems.
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I’ve now watched all 9 of the 4K discs (individual discs, not the box set). The only problem I had was a freezing issue about half way through TROS but Best Buy replaced the disc and the new one was fine.

Biggest surprise: how good the sound is on the original trilogy.


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I just finished all nine 4K discs from the box set along with the new 4K Rogue One disc. I guess I got lucky because all discs played without issue on my Oppo.

What a massive pain that packaging was though. Do the people that design these things not actually use them?!
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I saw this article on USA Today this morning. It ranked all 11 Star Wars films from worst to best. There was no love for George Lucas' prequel, that's for sure.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/enter...ed/2691349001/
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Nor should there be, going through them yet again on Disney+, they are absolute crap. I’ll disagree with that list though, AOC is now the worst, time has decided lol. It’s all an insipid badly acted forbidden love story padded with 2-3 decent action scenes, no memorable villains or duels. Yoda CGI fighting a senior citizen officially has no more novelty.

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At the bottom of any Star Wars movie ranking should be all the garbage that Disney just dumped on us. I don't see myself ever watching these again.
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Well, Ive played through my entire 9-film saga with no hiccups or playback issues. But, there are "issues" with these 4K releases. The original trilogy transfers are extremely mediocre and that might be overly nice. A slight uptick in detail, yes, but otherwise they have too much digital mucking for my liking. They also lack dynamic range or something. The HDR is sort of a joke here with most scenes. What happened to the Dolby Vision? Bleh. Its just very disappointing that such highly regarded films received such a poor treatment like this.

The prequels dont fare much better with Phantom Menace & Clones being very uninspiring transfers. Sith is actually pretty good though and is arguably the only one of the original six films that is an appreciable upgrade, IMO. The redone blu-rays are almost or just as good as the 4Ks. Ive done some comparisons and sometimes its hard to tell. As expected the Disney fims all look really good but I have those in 3D and prefer to watch them that way anyway. Still, Rise of Skywalker is basically a reference transfer. But overall, I dont know how anyone could find these 4K trasnfers to be that great, other than the newest 3 films.
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A New Hope 4k SteelBook at Zavvi for those interested. I'm sure more will follow. Possible this may wind up at Best Buy in the U.S. as well, but no announcement of that yet.

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At the bottom of any Star Wars movie ranking should be all the garbage that Disney just dumped on us. I don't see myself ever watching these again.

I haven't seen The Rise of Skywalker yet so I can't comment on it, but the other two "Disney" Star Wars films are in my opinion marginal better then the prequels. The "Disney" movies were just money grabs, but Lucas really screwed up a golden opportunity with the three prequels - It could have been such a good story. I did however really like Rouge One, and Solo was decent.


I dislike the Lucas "additions" to the original trilogy but I guess we're just going to have to live with it. I don't think I've seen the theatrical versions since VHS (I think there was a laserdisk but I didn't have it). There are a couple of scenes where I have to try and remember if they were added or not, and if I have to do that, they are probably OK, but the obvious CGI insertions just don't fit at all.

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I believe TPM & AOTC were both shot / finished with 8 bit color so I never expected much from their HDR transfers.

I understand why everyone hates the prequels. But I enjoy them. Even AOTC... The scene where Dooku interrogates Obi-Wan is one of my favorite bits in all of Star Wars. “It may be difficult to secure your release.” :-)
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I’m surprised there haven’t been more discussions about the lack of Dolby Vision on the UHD Blu-ray release. I watched A New Hope and flipped back/forth between the Disney+ release with Dolby Vision and the UHD Blu-ray release with HDR10 and the difference on a 77” calibrated LG OLED is considerable to my eyes (sitting 8’ away). The Dolby Vision master has significantly more shadow detail and the colors appear subjectively more accurate.

I genuinely don’t believe you can simply compare bitrates between UHD BD and Streaming releases these days and say one is objectively better than the other because it has higher bitrate numbers. The underlying HEVC and EAC3 codecs are incredibly capable if the compression is processed correctly; I’d go as far as to argue that the compression, if trusted to the right engineer, can actually be imperceptible outside of pausing the video and doing side-by-side zoomed comparisons.

My point is that if Dolby Vision presents an easily visible improvement while the higher bitrate of the Blu-ray doesn’t then why are we not more bothered by the fact that Disney didn’t include Dolby Vision on this UHD BD release?

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I’m surprised there haven’t been more discussions about the lack of Dolby Vision on the UHD Blu-ray release.

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My point is that if Dolby Vision presents an easily visible improvement while the higher bitrate of the Blu-ray don’t then why are we not more bothered by the fact that Disney didn’t include Dolby Vision on this UHD BD release?

Because the Blu-ray section of AVS has been dead for many years.

This is a thread about STAR WARS in 4K and we barely have 100 posts. Contrast that with another home theater forum where each movie has its own separate thread each with thousands of posts.

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I’m surprised there haven’t been more discussions about the lack of Dolby Vision on the UHD Blu-ray release. I watched A New Hope and flipped back/forth between the Disney+ release with Dolby Vision and the UHD Blu-ray release with HDR10 and the difference on a 77” calibrated LG OLED is considerable to my eyes (sitting 8’ away). The Dolby Vision master has significantly more shadow detail and the colors appear subjectively more accurate.

I genuinely don’t believe you can simply compare bitrates between UHD BD and Streaming releases these days and say one is objectively better than the other because it has higher bitrate numbers. The underlying HEVC and EAC3 codecs are incredibly capable if the compression is processed correctly; I’d go as far as to argue that the compression, if trusted to the right engineer, can actually be imperceptible outside of pausing the video and doing side-by-side zoomed comparisons.

My point is that if Dolby Vision presents an easily visible improvement while the higher bitrate of the Blu-ray don’t then why are we not more bothered by the fact that Disney didn’t include Dolby Vision on this UHD BD release?
Oh I’m bothered by it and basically quite disappointed in the UHD Star Wars releases as a whole. The HDR is useless. The first two prequels and basically the entire original trilogy has dodgy transfers overall. The reviewers are trying their best to find something good but anyone even remotely into the home video hobby ought to be quite let down by all of these transfers, sans the Disney era films which are conveniently pretty good or near reference. Whatever. Pissed I bought the set. At least the new Blu-ray’s included are much better than than the 2011 versions. I’ll watch those and might even sell the UHD discs.

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Because the Blu-ray section of AVS has been dead for many years.

This is a thread about STAR WARS in 4K and we barely have 100 posts. Contrast that with another home theater forum where each movie has its own separate thread each with thousands of posts.
I agree and it’s too bad. That other forum about Blu-ray movies is filled with a bunch of immature teenagers who run to the mods if you disagree with them. Too many Disney shills over there, IMO.

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I’️m surprised there haven’️t been more discussions about the lack of Dolby Vision on the UHD Blu-ray release.

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My point is that if Dolby Vision presents an easily visible improvement while the higher bitrate of the Blu-ray don’️t then why are we not more bothered by the fact that Disney didn’️t include Dolby Vision on this UHD BD release?

Because the Blu-ray section of AVS has been dead for many years.

This is a thread about STAR WARS in 4K and we barely have 100 posts. Contrast that with another home theater forum where each movie has its own separate thread each with thousands of posts.
What forums? Everywhere I tend to visit is dead or dying lol.

I got the set on May 4th, I’ve been going through the movies slowly, just finished Empire last night. Watching on my JVC NX7, so Dolby Vision is a non factor for me.

The Phantom Menace actually has a few wow moments, in spite of being over all pretty full looking. An early instance where Qui Gon deflects a blaster hit, I swore smoke popped off the screen. Still the old baked in DNR is ever present.

Clones is both the worst Star Wars movie and the worst looking. Dim, soft and really sleep inducing lol.

Revenge of the Sith is naturally the best looking, sharpness is there and HDR has an effect.

A New Hope.. this is the only one I’ve compared with the old BD, Disney+ and Harmys de specialized edition, mastered directly from a 35mm print. I thought id seen all the dirt and dents on 3P0 and R2, and all the imperfections of Vader’s hand molded helmet. Not so! The new 4K disc does reveal yet another level of detail previously unseen. HDR isn’t overly spectacular, though I wasn’t expecting that from a budget sci fi movie from the 70’s(perfective often forgotten).

Harmys remains my preferred version, however I watched the 4K version all the way through, largely with mouth open(it’s also a new PJ, first true 4K lol). Disney+ is close, but the disc is definitely smoother and less noisy.

Empire was good also. Btw on all the Star Wars films to far, I used the HDR high setting on my projector, makes a huge difference.
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What forums? Everywhere I tend to visit is dead or dying lol.

I got the set on May 4th, I’ve been going through the movies slowly, just finished Empire last night. Watching on my JVC NX7, so Dolby Vision is a non factor for me.

The Phantom Menace actually has a few wow moments, in spite of being over all pretty full looking. An early instance where Qui Gon deflects a blaster hit, I swore smoke popped off the screen. Still the old baked in DNR is ever present.

Clones is both the worst Star Wars movie and the worst looking. Dim, soft and really sleep inducing lol.

Revenge of the Sith is naturally the best looking, sharpness is there and HDR has an effect.

A New Hope.. this is the only one I’ve compared with the old BD, Disney+ and Harmys de specialized edition, mastered directly from a 35mm print. I thought id seen all the dirt and dents on 3P0 and R2, and all the imperfections of Vader’s hand molded helmet. Not so! The new 4K disc does reveal yet another level of detail previously unseen. HDR isn’t overly spectacular, though I wasn’t expecting that from a budget sci fi movie from the 70’s(perfective often forgotten).

Harmys remains my preferred version, however I watched the 4K version all the way through, largely with mouth open(it’s also a new PJ, first true 4K lol). Disney+ is close, but the disc is definitely smoother and less noisy.

Empire was good also. Btw on all the Star Wars films to far, I used the HDR high setting on my projector, makes a huge difference.

Hmmm. My experience was quite different but thats fine. Empire is not good at all and most reviewers seem to agree. New Hope has its moments and some extra detail is available but that comes at a cost - the cost of digital dickery that shows in many scenes. I dunno. With such high profile films, for Disney to half-ass these like this is outright embarrassing, IMO. Very disapppoiting.

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As expected, Zavvi now has a 4k SteelBook for Empire Strikes Back. I'm disappointed that the artwork doesn't follow the same theme as New Hope.

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The Force Awakens
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Return of the Jedi SteelBook:

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