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Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (1080p)

Okay, I just read my review of the 1st installment (back in 2015) and I initially gave it a score of Tier 0 (.75) and then I changed it to Tier 0 (.5). I actually think the sequel wasn't as impressive, but only by the smallest of margins. What made the difference? This one had more dark scenes in it and in "some" of those it was somewhat soft and murky. I say "some" because in many of the night time or dark interior scenes the blacks were awesome with finely-rendered shadow details. In both installments the details, clarity and colors were insanely good in all daytime outdoor scenes and in interior shots with good lighting.

The DTS:X mix was amazing, with enough LFE to shake my walls, exceptional action in the surrounds, precise panning and discrete effects in my height channels, and crystal-clear dialog in my center speaker.

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Ralph Potts just gave the Solo movie a PQ score in the mid 70s... I don't think I've seen him give a score that low before haha.

Definitely not buying that
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Ralph Potts just gave the Solo movie a PQ score in the mid 70s... I don't think I've seen him give a score that low before haha.

Definitely not buying that
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Ralph Potts just gave the Solo movie a PQ score in the mid 70s... I don't think I've seen him give a score that low before haha.

Definitely not buying that
I'm not sure any of the Star Wars movies have ever been videophile fare.

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I'm not sure any of the Star Wars movies have ever been videophile fare.
I would agree with you regarding many in the Stars Wars series, but here is (IMHO) an exception:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post43148402

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Details are excellent except for some shots like the behind shot of Mac fireing the mini-gun into the jungle, but that's a limit of the original element and not this transfer. Colors show nice pop in the sun drenched jungle and also in the sun blocked jungle floor. Explosions and muzzle flashes are nicely presented with HDR. Black levels and shadow details are strong as well, didn't see any crush.

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I'm not sure any of the Star Wars movies have ever been videophile fare.
Well Last Jedi was a huge disappoint PQ-wise. so I can see that. I saw Rogue One and Episode VII in the cinema and they looked good there. Pretty sure others have rated Episode VII as Reference but I'll have ot see it on disc to judge myself.
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Sony showed off a prototype 8K display capable of 10,000 nits peak brightness.


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Sony showed off a prototype 8K display capable of 10,000 nits peak brightness.


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Regarding the "Master Series" by Sony, their OLED took FIRST PLACE in the Flat Panel Shootout yesterday. LG's OLED came in SECOND by the slimmest of margins. Sony's LCD (the Z9F) came in THIRD (not too far behind the OLEDs). And Samsung's LCD came in LAST by a country mile.

I've been following the Sony Threads on the Master Series and I was hoping the Z9F, which now gives one Wide Angle Viewing similar to an OLED, would have upped their game when it came to Local Dimming and the near elimination of BLOOMING in the Letter-boxed Bars. But they actually chose to give the Z9F a rather low zone count, resulting in some serious light bleeding into the bars at times, especially with HDR material. I guess OLED would still be my preferred replacement for my Sony 940D. One can get the 77" LG OLED C8 for 7k. Not bad!!!

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Regarding the "Master Series" by Sony, their OLED took FIRST PLACE in the Flat Panel Shootout yesterday. LG's OLED came in SECOND by the slimmest of margins. Sony's LCD (the Z9F) came in THIRD (not too far behind the OLEDs). And Samsung's LCD came in LAST by a country mile.

I've been following the Sony Threads on the Master Series and I was hoping the Z9F, which now gives one Wide Angle Viewing similar to an OLED, would have upped their game when it came to Local Dimming and the near elimination of BLOOMING in the Letter-boxed Bars. But they actually chose to give the Z9F a rather low zone count, resulting in some serious light bleeding into the bars at times, especially with HDR material. I guess OLED would still be my preferred replacement for my Sony 940D. One can get the 77" LG OLED C8 for 7k. Not bad!!!
It was the first time in 14 years that a Sony display won the Shoot Out.

https://hdguru.com/sony-65a9f-master...-tv-shoot-out/

The $4,499.99 Sony 65A9F took the top honor in the event by beating out the $3,499.99 LG 65E8 4K OLED TV (second), the $3,499.99 Sony Master Series 65Z9F (third) full-array 4K LED-LCD TV and the $2,999.99 (on limited-time promotion) Samsung full-array 4K QLED LED LCD (fourth).

Grimoire of Zero: Complete Collection

recommendation: Tier 1.25*

Easily one of the best-looking anime I've seen recently that was made for television. The 2017 Japanese program has nicely shaded color and fluid animation. Set in a medieval fantasy land, a rich variety of browns and greens dominate the palette. This is from the producers behind the beloved Steins; Gate anime.

Sentai Filmworks provides a better AVC encode than they've been known for in the past. Banding, always a concern for cheaper anime content, isn't really an issue.

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First time in 14 years... so Probably the 34XBR-960 that won it last in 2004
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Typical PQ fare from the 1980s: good but not great. Contrast is good and night scenes show good black levels. Colors are on the bland side but there are flashes of bright colors here and there. Details are pretty good but not a lot of facial pores or detailed fabric on display. The encode is excellent the the overall presentation is film-like, no EE or DNR.

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Solo: A Star Wars Story (1080p)

Before I slipped this into my Samsung player I was warned of its less-than-stellar PQ. Guess what? They (the vast majority of reviewers) were right! This one was a mess during most of its 2+ hour running time. It was MURKY, NOISY, FLAT, DRAB, and LACKING DETAILS. Incredibly, the PQ "came to life" during the last couple of scenes (nearly a half hour) with remarkable clarity, excellent details, appreciable depth, and pleasing colors.

I kept thinking through the first 90 minutes, "Man, I'm going to have to drop this down to the bottom of Tier 3 or even the top of Tier 4." But those last 30 minutes, which probably averaged a Tier 1 ranking, has me thinking either a 2.75 or a 3.0 placement. I feel my old "generous rating gene" kicking in, soooo.....

Tier Recommendation: 2.75*

PS Audio-wise, you have really turn this up to appreciate the decent DTS Master Audio mix (I had mine set to -5).
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This Australian thriller, set in a remote mining town, looks absolutely stunning for much of its run time. Goldstone was shot on the RED Epic in magnificent resolution with top-notch digital cinematography. The scope presentation takes full advantage of the desolate Australian setting. The crisp contrast offers a balanced palette with perfect flesh-tones.

Goldstone won just about every Australian film award it could, easily one of the best movies I've seen this year. Independent distributor Lightyear Entertainment brings it here to the States in a flawless Blu-ray transfer that captures its abundant razor-sharp detail and striking imagery.
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Transformers: The Last Knight (2017 - Paramount)



It was about time for me to review this title. Both djoberg and Snell have written glowing and very eloquent reviews about the PQ of this film, but now it's my turn.

The picture quality of T:TLK is absolutely ridiculous. I had already watched this movie back in last year's November, when I wasn't into "critical" viewing, and watched it on a much smaller display that I have now. I was blown away. Let's put it this way: the worst moments in this (which granted are very few) equal the best moments in 90% of the movies out there, and no, that's not hyperbole. The PQ is so good that it basically turns itself into a new tier - tier God. Or turns the tier zero category into a small group of perhaps 20-30 titles and moves all the rest into tier 1. I recently watched Sicario two times and it's one of the best movies PQ wise I had watched in the last few months. Even with that movie in mind as a recent reference of what a fantastic picture can look like in the BD format, T:TLK managed to easily outshine it.

Don't look for the best moments in here, it's easier to look for the less than perfect moments. And even then you'd feel that you're nitpicking. Really, it's ridiculous. I haven't watched most of the top tier animated films at the top of the list, but in terms of Live Action movies, I can't picture anything better than this. The suggested placement at the top of the PQ tier list is completely justified.

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I've seen so much videophile hype for Transformers: The Last Knight, I've almost convinced myself to sit through another Transformers movie.

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I've seen so much videophile hype for Transformers: The Last Knight, I've almost convinced myself to sit through another Transformers movie.
Wait!! You haven't seen it??

Well, if you were forced to pick a movie to save the human race from extinction by showing the capabilities of the Blu-ray format, you'd pick this one. It's LONG for sure, but you also have the reference audio track to make the experience even fuller and funnier. Essentially, it's a demo disc disguised as an action movie. Turn off the lights, crank up the volume, get some beer and snacks, and turn your brain off. It's therapeutic.
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^^^^^^

I see you watched the 1080p version AmerCa; you probably will find this hard to believe, but the UHD version actually takes it up a notch!

Here's my review where I boldly announce the superior UHD version:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post55905058
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^^^^^^^

I remember your review. The whole Transformers series is guaranteed the upgrade in 4k. I never get enough of it!

Let's see what future directors do for the franchise. The upcoming Bumblebee film looks promising, but I'll always have a soft spot for Bay's movies.

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^^^^^^^^^

And here's my "glowing review" (your words) on the 1080p version:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post54950506

One just has to wonder, how in the world can the PQ get any better than this...and still be REALISTIC! Perhaps, and I emphasize PERHAPS, an 8K UHD Blu-ray with triple the contrast of today's displays with trump this, but I will have to "see it to believe it."
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^^^^^^^^^

And here's my "glowing review" (your words) on the 1080p version:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post54950506

One just has to wonder, how in the world can the PQ get any better than this...and still be REALISTIC! Perhaps, and I emphasize PERHAPS, an 8K UHD Blu-ray with triple the contrast of today's displays with trump this, but I will have to "see it to believe it."
Yeah, the CGI integration is nuts. I swear Cogman (the transformer butler) looked more real that Sir Anthony Hopkins, lol.

I guess some improvements could be made, although it would be extremely difficult to pull it off at the level and consistency which are seen in T:TLK. It could be said that the capabilities of the bluray format are tested to its max limits by it.

Basically, it's time to move on to 4k if you want to see further improvements in PQ without cheating with HDR. I mean, it's clear that directors are not taking full advantage of the 1080p format, but the industry want to sell us 4k. And it's fine, but give us truly exceptional PQ, goddamit!

There are A LOT of sub par releases as it is.

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I've seen so much videophile hype for Transformers: The Last Knight, I've almost convinced myself to sit through another Transformers movie.

You really owe yourself to watch Transformers 5. Its arguably the best picture quality ever.
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Halloween (UHD, 40th Anniversary)

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Solo: A Star Wars Story (1080p)

Before I slipped this into my Samsung player I was warned of its less-than-stellar PQ. Guess what? They (the vast majority of reviewers) were right! This one was a mess during most of its 2+ hour running time. It was MURKY, NOISY, FLAT, DRAB, and LACKING DETAILS. Incredibly, the PQ "came to life" during the last couple of scenes (nearly a half hour) with remarkable clarity, excellent details, appreciable depth, and pleasing colors.

I kept thinking through the first 90 minutes, "Man, I'm going to have to drop this down to the bottom of Tier 3 or even the top of Tier 4." But those last 30 minutes, which probably averaged a Tier 1 ranking, has me thinking either a 2.75 or a 3.0 placement. I feel my old "generous rating gene" kicking in, soooo.....

Tier Recommendation: 2.75*

PS Audio-wise, you have really turn this up to appreciate the decent DTS Master Audio mix (I had mine set to -5).

So I watched the Solo UHD disc on my 1080p projector to get the atmos sound. I had to turn up the sound, per usual for the recent disney mixes. The video was also very dim, drab, murky. Enough so that my wife noticed!



That said, I think Solo is one of my favorite releases of the recent Star Wars, better than Rogue One movie-wise, just not PQ- and SQ-wise.

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You really owe yourself to watch Transformers 5. Its arguably the best picture quality ever.
I have to say when I watched this regular BD on my 65 Sony 4K set, Sony X800 UHD player, I had to check afterward to see if they had mistakenly put the UHD in the package by accident. I was completely blown away by PQ on this one more than any other regular BD I've seen. Admittedly I am not a reviewer, nor do I watch a ton of movies due to time constraints. But this one struck me. Story wise? What did you expect?

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So I watched the Solo UHD disc on my 1080p projector to get the atmos sound. I had to turn up the sound, per usual for the recent disney mixes. The video was also very dim, drab, murky. Enough so that my wife noticed!



That said, I think Solo is one of my favorite releases of the recent Star Wars, better than Rogue One movie-wise, just not PQ- and SQ-wise.
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I have to say when I watched this regular BD on my 65 Sony 4K set, Sony X800 UHD player, I had to check afterward to see if they had mistakenly put the UHD in the package by accident. I was completely blown away by PQ on this one more than any other regular BD I've seen. Admittedly I am not a reviewer, nor do I watch a ton of movies due to time constraints. But this one struck me. Story wise? What did you expect?
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Everyone is always invited to help out the PQ Tiers, there are no requirements here for rating a Blu-ray or UHD. Some of us have very lavish home theaters, while others review on more modest equipment.


However, working eyes are a big plus in this business.
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recommendation: Tier 1.75*

Anyone that appreciates a sly spoof of horror tropes should enjoy this good-looking horror-comedy, right in time for Halloween. Independent distributor Cinedigm presents Blood Fest on BD without a hitch. This is crisp, clean 1080P video. It never quite hits demo-level sharpness, but certainly brings a high degree of clarity with excellent contrast. Outside of a few VFX shots, there is remarkably consistent picture quality.

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Sicario: Day of the Soldado (1080p)

Well, this is almost a carbon copy of the first installment. I'm going to give you a link to my review because I would end up giving you a "carbon copy review" anyway. Again, this flies in the face of the "experts," for they are all saying it's "Reference Quality," but I have to call it like I see it. Here's my review:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post40687194

Tier Recommendation: 1.5*

PS The DTS MA Neural:X mix was quite good!
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