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I watched this movie in 4K/HDR I thought it looked amazing. I noticed the same as others... It looked really washed out, like a high-end bright IPS with poor contrast... But raising gamma and lowering OLED light made the image really PUNCHY and produces some of the best image quality I've ever seen
I have my gamma at 2.2 and my OLED light (which is actually the "Brightness" setting) at 50 (the Default Setting) and it looked absolutely amazing in that last "beach scene." I was truly expecting it to look horrendous so I was pleasantly surprised. I kept telling myself throughout that scene, "This looks SO REAL...just like it would if I was on actually on the beach or in the water."

The movie is truly "over-the-top" but I enjoyed it. The CGI was fantastic and it had a pretty good cast. I also enjoyed the humor throughout.
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Stranger Things: Season 2 (1080p)

I just finished watching the first 3 episodes and like the first season...it has striking CLARITY and amazing DETAILS in daytime seasons. Now for some even better new! When I watched and reviewed the first season I thought the BLACKS were good, but murky at times. Not so with Season 2! They remained consistently DEEP resulting in excellent DEPTH and exquisite SHADOW DETAILS. Either they "stepped up their game," or the black levels look better now since I'm viewing them on an OLED.

The rest of the "positives" are the same as in my review of Season 1. Here is that review:

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Due to the better blacks/shadow details, I'm inclined to bump my placement up a notch or two....

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^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm on a BINGE! Just watched the next 3 episodes and I believe the PQ has gotten better. I would rank what I just saw at 1.0...the daytime scenes were mostly Tier 0 material, as were some of the fantastic night time scenes (I LOVE BLACKS)! The only negatives were some murky blacks in the underground cave system and some soft shots in a couple of low-lit interiors, which I'm sure is the "director's intent."

I've got to take a break. Since getting home I've binged the whole Hanna series on Amazon Prime and most of the The Widow series as well.

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^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm on a BINGE! Just watched the next 3 episodes and I believe the PQ has gotten better. I would rank what I just saw at 1.0...the daytime scenes were mostly Tier 0 material, as were some of the fantastic night time scenes (I LOVE BLACKS)! The only negatives were some murky blacks in the underground cave system and some soft shots in a couple of low-lit interiors, which I'm sure is the "director's intent."

I've got to take a break. Since getting home I've binged the whole Hanna series on Amazon Prime and most of the The Widow series as well.
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Your eyes must be tired, this is some heavy viewing you've accomplished.
For some reason my eyes are NOT tired. One of the "stranger things" in my life, I guess.

You know me better than most Phantom and it seems like it's usually "Feast or Famine" for me. I do watch a lot of satellite broadcasts on a regular basis but when it comes to Blu-rays or streaming 4K movies from Amazon Prime, I find myself binging or fasting.
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I hear what you are saying. Your binge is our gain, Djoberg.

Enigma (1982)

recommendation: Tier 3.5*

As part of their Marquee Collection, MVD puts out Jeannot Szwarc's 1982 spy thriller starring Martin Sheen and Sam Neill. This is a serviceable film transfer from stable elements with decent clarity. The more I watched of it, my first impression of the transfer being an older telecine effort is likely incorrect. This is a newish 2K transfer with a hint of sharpening. It may have been struck from the negative albeit its film elements have gone unrestored. The 1.78:1 presentation has acceptable shadow delineation and adequate grain reproduction. Nothing has been done to spruce up the color palette, the timing has been left untouched.

It was shocking to see the 1080P video getting encoded in MPEG-2, rare these days for a new Blu-ray release. There's no real effect on the video as compression issues aren't a significant problem.
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The Karate Kid (UHD)

I was browsing Ralph Potts' review site the other day and was pleasantly surprised to learn that The Karate Kid had been released on UHD. This "classic" has been a favorite of ours for many years and since I hadn't purchased a copy since the VHS release "back in the day," I decided to purchase it. Let me just say that for a 1984 film that looked "horrendous" on VHS, "fairly good" on DVD, "definitely improved" on its 2010 Blu-ray release, is now "much better" on this UHD version which takes it up at least a couple of notches, with superior colors, stronger contrast, better details & depth, and amazing black levels.

One thing that will turn off some is the heavy grain structure, which, at times, appears a bit "noisy."

This is NOT reference quality, but I do believe it should land on one's "demo shelf." I would place it right here....

Tier Recommendation: 1.5*

PS The Dolby Atmos mix had its moments, but overall I was underwhelmed by it.
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Stranger Things: Season 2 (1080p)

I just finished watching the first 3 episodes and like the first season...it has striking CLARITY and amazing DETAILS in daytime seasons. Now for some even better new! When I watched and reviewed the first season I thought the BLACKS were good, but murky at times. Not so with Season 2! They remained consistently DEEP resulting in excellent DEPTH and exquisite SHADOW DETAILS. Either they "stepped up their game," or the black levels look better now since I'm viewing them on an OLED.

The rest of the "positives" are the same as in my review of Season 1. Here is that review:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post55243088

Due to the better blacks/shadow details, I'm inclined to bump my placement up a notch or two....

Tier Recommendation: 1.25*

Just got done with this myself and agree with your placement. It's not as good PQ wise as the first season which is disappointing. There are a few instances of banding in some of the darker scenes in the last few episodes.

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Just got done with this myself and agree with your placement. It's not as good PQ wise as the first season which is disappointing. There are a few instances of banding in some of the darker scenes in the last few episodes.
I hope to see the last three episodes in the next 2-3 nights. I may end up changing my placement if the banding is really bad. Otherwise, I thought the first 6 episodes were as good as the first season.

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The Great Wall (UHD)

I reviewed the 1080p version and gave it a Tier 0 (.9) ranking. Well, I'm here to tell you the UHD release takes it up TWO....maybe even THREE NOTCHES!! It was AWESOME!!!

I'm going to link my former review so I won't add a whole lot to it. Let me just say that with HDR the COLORS were even more gorgeous, the BLACKS/SHADOW DETAILS were much better (no more murkiness or lack of details in dark or night time scenes), and the CONTRAST was simply brilliant. Oh, and I can't recall the DETAILS (in faces, armor, walls, monsters, etc., etc.) being so rich and intricate. And finally, DEPTH was absolutely superb.

One more thing. I had never heard the Dolby Atmos mix and all I can say is WOW!!!!! There were so many battle scenes with arrows or spears whizzing overhead (and all around me!), or explosions directly overhead (and all around me!) that had me grinning from ear to ear and saying WOW!!!!!

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Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (.25)
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I neglected to mention the LFE/bass. Besides the multiple explosions that shook my walls BIG TIME, every time the warriors beat the "war drums" the bass reverberated throughout my room. I don't think I had my dual subs when I first heard the Dolby TrueHD mix on the 1080p copy, so I'm sure that added to the aural experience tonight.

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Nemesis 2: Nebula

recommendation: Tier 2.75*

Released as part of a Nemesis sequel set by MVD covering movies 2 through 4, AVC compression issues aren't an issue in Nemesis 2. All three movies share a single BD-50. The direct-to-video sci-fi movie offers ample clarity, if a bit washed out and overly bright. The colors and contrast could have been tweaked for more life. The low-budget cinematography wasn't really filmed with razor-sharp definition in mind outside of the best-looking exteriors and close-ups.

The film elements are in decent shape with few visible flaws. The heavy usage of optical mattes introduces minor specks of debris strewn throughout select scenes. It's a serviceable film transfer that is mostly film-like. Certainly not the image detail of a 4K film scan, but a fairly recent transfer from clean elements in respectable condition.
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Bohemian Rhapsody (4K)


Haven't reviewed anything in ages as I haven't really had the spare time to watch any movies in a long time. Finally got down to watch Bohemian Rhapsody, watch was an excellent film with stellar picture quality. Although great looking it sort of had a thematic appeal to it, a sort of orangey tint and very analog looking image think warm, slightly soft kind of looking. But the detail was exquisite and what really saved this from a Tier 1 (or lower) ranking was the AMAZING absolute black levels thrown all over the film.


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Anyone seen Game of Thrones? How does it look like for you Americans? Here in Norway, the official way of watching GOT is via an app called . 'HBO Nordic' . And the picture quality is absolutely garbage. Words cannot even describe how bad it looks. To put it in perspective, Netflix looks AMAZING. Phenomenal picture quality in 4K/DV shows. Even the 1080p/SDR shows (Black Sails in particular) look really good, despite only 5Mb/s bit rate and 1080p resolution (vs 15Mb/s & 2160p in 4K/DV shows) and the 40-60Mb/s of blu and 120Mb/s of 4K/HDR discs...

HBO Nordic offers us picture quality from the year 2005. We're talking compressed 720p resolution, macro-blocking, unrendered scenes at a shocking bit-rate which can be no higher than 2Mb/s. It looks worse than DVD. We're talking VHS quality. in 2019. Shocking.

Norwegian streaming apps are sooo far behind American streams its incredible, and highly ironic. I think the average internet speed in this country is twice as fast as the U.S. If you live in a city, you're pretty much guaranteed to get 50-100Mb/s, some compounds/apartment complexes offer 100-300Mb/s built into your rent. It's almost impossible to have internet slower than 30Mb/s..


Yet HBO Nordic (especially) and other national streaming services give us 2-3Mb/s 720p streams... while Netflix, Amazon etc actually have high quality 4K streams...

I bet you 90% of households here are '8K-ready' Assuming 8K streams would require about ≈ 45Mb/s

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Bohemian Rhapsody (4K)


Haven't reviewed anything in ages as I haven't really had the spare time to watch any movies in a long time. Finally got down to watch Bohemian Rhapsody, watch was an excellent film with stellar picture quality. Although great looking it sort of had a thematic appeal to it, a sort of orangey tint and very analog looking image think warm, slightly soft kind of looking. But the detail was exquisite and what really saved this from a Tier 1 (or lower) ranking was the AMAZING absolute black levels thrown all over the film.


Tier recommendation: 0.75
I was so impressed with the PQ that I gave it a Tier 0 (.33) ranking!

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Just got done with this myself and agree with your placement. It's not as good PQ wise as the first season which is disappointing. There are a few instances of banding in some of the darker scenes in the last few episodes.
I just finished watching the last 3 episodes. Man, talk about "dark scenes!" For the most part they held up well, with good shadow details, but there was some "black crush" at times. All things considered, I would probably rate the whole season at 1.5.

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Anyone seen Game of Thrones? How does it look like for you Americans? Here in Norway, the official way of watching GOT is via an app called . 'HBO Nordic' . And the picture quality is absolutely garbage. Words cannot even describe how bad it looks. To put it in perspective, Netflix looks AMAZING. Phenomenal picture quality in 4K/DV shows. Even the 1080p/SDR shows (Black Sails in particular) look really good, despite only 5Mb/s bit rate and 1080p resolution (vs 15Mb/s & 2160p in 4K/DV shows) and the 40-60Mb/s of blu and 120Mb/s of 4K/HDR discs...

HBO Nordic offers us picture quality from the year 2005. We're talking compressed 720p resolution, macro-blocking, unrendered scenes at a shocking bit-rate which can be no higher than 2Mb/s. It looks worse than DVD. We're talking VHS quality. in 2019. Shocking.

Norwegian streaming apps are sooo far behind American streams its incredible, and highly ironic. I think the average internet speed in this country is twice as fast as the U.S. If you live in a city, you're pretty much guaranteed to get 50-100Mb/s, some compounds/apartment complexes offer 100-300Mb/s built into your rent. It's almost impossible to have internet slower than 30Mb/s..


Yet HBO Nordic (especially) and other national streaming services give us 2-3Mb/s 720p streams... while Netflix, Amazon etc actually have high quality 4K streams...

I bet you 90% of households here are '8K-ready' Assuming 8K streams would require about ≈ 45Mb/s
They want you purchasing the GOT 4K sets likely coming. I'm avoiding this last season of GOT until it's all over and I can watch it over a weekend.
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Avengers Infinity War is amazing in HDR! Despite the 2K DI, I think its one of the larger improvements from 1080p blu ray to 4k/HDR. Initially disappointed with the blu-ray compared to the original in 2012, but the 4K/HDR version is just phenomenal.
My UHD/HDR copy of this movie just arrived via UPS! I hope to watch it sometime this week. Either I have never seen it (I know I didn't review it on this thread) or I can't remember seeing it (which I highly doubt since it came out last year and is highly acclaimed). But with Avengers: End Game coming up on UHD I wanted to get "reacquainted with the Avengers team."

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Just watched this on a new (to me) A1E. Wife said picture was a lot better than our old plasma.

The HDR really makes it pop!

Any suggestions for another HDR film to impress my wife with?
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Just watched this on a new (to me) A1E. Wife said picture was a lot better than our old plasma.

The HDR really makes it pop!

Any suggestions for another HDR film to impress my wife with?
I've heard The Matrix is quite good and I imagine given the darkness, would really shine on your OLED. Blade Runner 2049 , Pacific Rim, The John Wicks. I'd say those all have scenes with excellent HDR. I've heard Transformers: The Last Knight may be the single best 4K HDR film out there, but I admittedly have not seen it yet.

On picture quality alone, can't go wrong with Planet Earth II.
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Guardians of the Galaxy 2 has excellent HDR.
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Just watched this on a new (to me) A1E. Wife said picture was a lot better than our old plasma.

The HDR really makes it pop!

Any suggestions for another HDR film to impress my wife with?
I agree with tcramer's and Phantom's suggestions, especially Transformers: The Last Knight.

But there are SO MANY MORE! I just reviewed The Great Wall and found that to be one of the best UHD Blu-rays for highlighting the benefits of HDR (the many FIREBALLS in battle scenes were absolutely amazing as were the colors on the various suits of armor). Then there is The Great Gatsby with unbelievable COLORS and CONTRAST. Bohemian Rhapsody is another HDR wonder! And then there's Aquaman, Passengers, The Greatest Showman and the list goes on and on and on....

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So many of these are action movies, which is an iffy thing.

Planet Earth II sounds good, The Greatest Showman, Great Gatsby, anything with HDR eye-candy more along those lines?

Personally, I didn't care for John Wick (scandal!). I liked The Accountant better despite them being essentially the same movie.
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So many of these are action movies, which is an iffy thing.

Planet Earth II sounds good, The Greatest Showman, Great Gatsby, anything with HDR eye-candy more along those lines?

Personally, I didn't care for John Wick (scandal!). I liked The Accountant better despite them being essentially the same movie.
Passengers and Bohemian Rhapsody are not action movies. Here are FOUR other great UHD/HDR movies:

1) Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children
2) Life of Pi
3) The Martian
4) The Shallows

And if you're into Animated Movies some of my favorite UHD/HDR movies are:

1) Secret Life of Pets
2) Angry Birds
3) Storks
4) Despicable Me 3
5) Sing
6) Smurfs 2
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Chiming in to say I just finished watching my UHD copy of The Martian, which I had never seen on my OLED display. It was even better than I remembered when watching it on my Sony 940D. The BIG difference were the BLACKS! The last long space scene was jaw-dropping, with deep/inky blacks serving as a background for bright and detailed stars, along with the two white spacecrafts. Man, I love the perfect blacks of OLED!

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Guardians of the Galaxy 2 has excellent HDR.
One of the best.
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Avengers: Infinity War (UHD)

Man, this was a LONG movie and it's LATE, so I'm going to keep this very short.

The BOTTOM LINE: It's most definitely "reference material" with outstanding CONTRAST and COLORS, courtesy of HDR. Its specular highlights (also a benefit of HDR) were superb. BLACK LEVELS & SHADOW DETAILS were mesmerizing all the way through. DEPTH was amazing, at times. The downside was SOFTNESS during some of the many CGI scenes. Let me put it to you this way, unlike Transformers: The Last Knight, the CGI in this film simply couldn't retain its CLARITY and SHARPNESS. Don't get me wrong, there were plenty of scenes where it was "sharp as a tack" with CGI, but there were also a host of scenes where softness reared its ugly head.

I looked for others who actually reviewed it and Snell was the only one. He gave it a Tier 0 (.9). I think it deserves a wee bit higher placement, so...

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (.66)

PS The Dolby Atmos mix was kind of crazy. I had to turn the volume up to -5 to really get into it and at that level I was expecting more when it came to the massive explosions throughout the nearly 2 1/2 hour running time. Having said that, there were at least two scenes where the villain was pouring out what I call his "death wave of energy" and I could feel it rippling across the room. My subs are capable, at times, of reaching down to about 13 Hz and I believe it was at that level in those scenes.
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I looked for others who actually reviewed it and Snell was the only one. He gave it a Tier 0 (.9). I think it deserves a wee bit higher placement, so...
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Well to be fair, when I reviewed Avengers: Infinity War, I think it was one of the last 1080p movies I reviewed. It was around this time I acquired my Samsung 4K/HDR player and since then I haven't really been able to go back to regular 1080p ! I have since watched Avengers: IW in 4K/HDR and my jaw dropped at the differences. Improved clarity, detail, resolution, sharpness, emboldened colours everything took quite a large step up, despite coming from a 2K DI.

I think 4K Avengers: IW is more align with Tier 0.5
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Well to be fair, when I reviewed Avengers: Infinity War, I think it was one of the last 1080p movies I reviewed. It was around this time I acquired my Samsung 4K/HDR player and since then I haven't really been able to go back to regular 1080p ! I have since watched Avengers: IW in 4K/HDR and my jaw dropped at the differences. Improved clarity, detail, resolution, sharpness, emboldened colours everything took quite a large step up, despite coming from a 2K DI.

I think 4K Avengers: IW is more align with Tier 0.5
Ah, that's why I had given it a higher placement than you! Now we are nearly on the same page.
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Just had my JVC X790 calibrated by Chad B. Wow. Not sure if I'm going to have more time to chime in here, but now I really feel like I have a reference display. Highly recommend calibration and Chad B's work.

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