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Here's Phantom's review on that title:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post22736347

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And here is Phantom's co-reviewer's (from DoBlu.com) review of the same title:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post22543291

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And lastly, here is my review that was given BETWEEN the other two:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post22564221

As you will see AmerCa, I might have given this a rating of low Tier 0 or high Tier 1, but to my eyes the post-processing, resulting in severe "sharpening," caused me to penalize it drastically. There were also some issues with black levels at times and serious "hot contrast" too resulting in overblown whites.
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Wow top 5 & top 10 placements for Exodus: Gods & Kings. I haven't ever seen it at home, just in the cinema. Looks like I need to rewatch in 4K/HDR
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You will be very impressed Snell! I can guarantee it!! The CLARITY and DETAILS are off-the-charts, from beginning to end.
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Those are great findings, there were actually three reviews buried in there, and all of them WRONG!!!

Oh my god! I couldn't disagree with you more. I'll gladly concede many of your points, but tier 2.5 on average? No, sir!

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Here's Phantom's review on that title:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post22736347
I loathed Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter as a movie, so I remember being less than charitable when it came here to my recommendation. I barely made it through the entire movie. As Djoberg points out, there were PQ issues.
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Batman (1989...UHD)

For those of you who have seen the older versions (DVD & Blu-ray) of this classic from famed director Tim Burton, you will be more than gratified when seeing the UHD counterpart. It is BETTER in every way possible, though not perfect. It most definitely trumps former releases in BLACK LEVELS and in WHITES; in other words, the CONTRAST is vastly improved. It is also superior when it comes to DETAILS (most notably in faces and clothing) and DEPTH. I was mesmerized by many scenes highlighting these virtues. COLORS are also more vivid, especially in the close-ups of the Joker's painted face, hair, and flashy suits. FLESH TONES are spot on and CLARITY is on display in a variety of scenes.

To be fair, there are "signs of age" (remember, this was filmed in 1989) which the 4K Remaster was unable to remove. This is, like all Batman movies, a very dark movie and at times SOFTNESS rears it ugly head, along with some BLURRY moments. In those cases, depth is negligible and details falter.

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*

PS I was tempted to place this at the bottom of Tier 0 for there are some true "reference quality" scenes. I have read that the next installment (Batman Returns) fares better and I suspect it will easily land in the coveted Tier Blu.
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^^^^^^^

After watching parts of Batman again last night, I "may" have been too generous with my placement. There was a lot more less-than-stellar scenes than my review reflects. So, I believe I will change my rating to...

Tier Recommendation: 1.5*

PS I think what happens (and sometimes it's almost inevitable) with older titles is one ends up comparing (as I did) the older releases with the UHD release and you are so impressed with the obvious up-ticks in PQ that you get....well, "too generous" when it comes time to rank it.
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Ready Player One


Mixed feelings about this one. I feel like I want to write two separate reviews for this title; RPO: Oasis & RPO: Real World.

The Oasis shots looks like Tier 0.5 material in my eyes. It's sharp and punchy, good 3D like depth and the picture quality is pretty much on par with something like Alita: Battle Angel. some slight softness here and there but the CGI is top notch and the PQ is generally reference material.

The there's the non-Oasis shots, which look dull & noisy in comparison, somewhere in tier 1.5 range. You might even says Ready Player One is 0.25 at best and 1.75 at worst.



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PS I think what happens (and sometimes it's almost inevitable) with older titles is one ends up comparing (as I did) the older releases with the UHD release and you are so impressed with the obvious up-ticks in PQ that you get....well, "too generous" when it comes time to rank it.
That's what I think happens with 95% of old movies. People compare them to what they looked like on DVD, LD, VHS etc or review them as really good looking "for an old movie" Which I think is wrong I compare 1989 picture quality with 2019 picture quality on an absolute scale, and very, very, rarely does old tech come close to modern. Of course Lawrence of Arabia on 70mm film was an exception to the rule...
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^^^^^^^^^^

Snell,

I forgot to mention something in my review that is definitely a TURN OFF for you: GRAIN!

But then there is something else that you'll love: FULL SCREEN! (i.e. 1.85:1 Aspect Ratio)

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Batman Returns (UHD)

Let me say it from the outset, "This one is a WINNER!!" You would never know this title dates back to 1992. In other words, this is NOT like my review yesterday where I had given the UHD of Batman too high a score because of my comparing it with its DVD/Blu-ray counterparts. This second installment could easily have been a current title; it looked that good!! Here's what I liked:

1) BLACKS and SHADOW DETAILS...Oh my word, they were DELICIOUS!! Inky, inky blacks with absolutely no black crush...just tantalizing details. Wait till you see some of the "black skies" and perhaps the best "black treat" is Cat-woman's glistening black suit. There were tons of scenes with all kinds of blacks and they all, with the rare exception of two fleeting shots, gave me pure EYE CANDY.

2) COLORS, though limited, were as BOLD and VIBRANT as ever, courtesy of HDR!!! They stood out all the more against all of those amazing blacks! I had mentioned Cat-woman's BLACK SUIT...well, with her BRIGHT RED LIPSTICK and her perfect FLESH TONES, we are served up more EYE CANDY.

3) DETAILS abounded!! Whether we're talking facial close-ups, or clothing, or city streets, or furniture in Wayne Manor, or in everything else, they were topnotch!

4) DEPTH was astounding at times!

5) CLARITY/SHARPNESS reigned supreme, even in the many dark scenes.

With all of these virtues this is a shoe-in for Tier 0, (even with a few "soft shots" with a wee bit less resolution). I was going to give it a Tier 0 (.5) but I think I'll be conservative....

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (.66)

PS For "desert" we were also served an EXCELLENT DOLBY ATMOS MIX!!!!
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Well I'll have you know I have both Batman & Batman Returns on VHS. Maybe I'll rewatch them first then check out the 4K restorations.
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Well I'll have you know I have both Batman & Batman Returns on VHS. Maybe I'll rewatch them first then check out the 4K restorations.
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X-men: Dark Phoenix


Can I say this movie is visually underrated? I mean sure, Ralph Potts gave it a 90, and most other sites give it 4.5 stars or at the very least 4 stars. But that doesn't say much when I've been extremely disappointed with other 4/5 star PQ rated movies or movies Ralph gave 95-96/100.

Dark Phoenix was perfectly clean, razor-sharp and had an ultra-punchy image with good depth to it. Copious amounts of detail whether it's white or blue faces zoomed in you can see all the hair, pores, scars and all the other minutia in detail. Colours had a lot of pop and the picture was very 'contrasty' - I think we can thank the blue/orange hues for that. It's not the best looking movie ever, but IMO it was technically flawless and definitely reference material. One of the better ≈ 2.40:1 AR live-action movies I've seen, not as good as Mortal Engines, but perhaps on par with Avengers: Infinity War or Black Panther.

Finally I was able to watch a movie with my jaw dropped and zero complaints about the picture. (cannot say the same for newly released block busters like Alita, Ready Player One, etc..)



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^^^^^^^^^

I guess you aren't doing a Search of this site these days to see what other members who frequent this thread are saying, for I just reviewed this a month ago and I praised the PQ and called it "Reference Quality." I actually gave it a .66 placement so I would hardly call that an "underrating!" Here is my review:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post58578156

Oh, and as you will see, this is my review of the 1080p Blu-ray. I'm quite sure the UHD release will be even better.

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I guess you aren't doing a Search of this site these day to see what other members who frequent this thread are saying, for I just reviewed this a month ago and I praised the PQ and called it "Reference Quality." I actually gave it a .66 placement so I would hardly call that an "underrating!" Here is my review:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-b...l#post58578156

Oh, and as you will see, this is my review of the 1080p Blu-ray. I'm quite sure the UHD release will be even better.
Not saying it was underrated here. I vaguely remembered you giving it a mid tier 0 placement I was thinking to the more professional reviewers who hand out 9/10s and 4.5 stars like candy, even when the movie has disappointing picture quality... so I expected perfect scores for Dark Phoenix when I googled.

You should definitely see it in 4K/HDR. It looks phenomenal
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I was thinking to the more professional reviewers who hand out 9/10s and 4.5 stars like candy, even when the movie has disappointing picture quality... so I expected perfect scores for Dark Phoenix when I google.

You should definitely see it in 4K/HDR. It looks phenomenal
I'm offended! Aren't WE "professional reviewers?" Or maybe you're just saying we're "LESS professional reviewers."

Regarding seeing it in 4K/HDR; if the movie had been really good I would buy it but I wasn't very impressed with it. Add to that the fact that I'm getting kinda sick of "Super Hero movies."

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I'm offended! Aren't WE "professional reviewers?" Or maybe you're just saying we're "LESS professional reviewers."

Regarding seeing it in 4K/HDR; if the movie had been really good I would buy it but I wasn't very impressed with it. Add to that the fact that I'm getting kinda sick of "Super Hero movies."
Haha, you know what I mean

And yeah the movie was garbage so can't really recommend watching it a second time, despite the amazing PQ.
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Annabelle: Coming Home (1080p)

This was a "mixed bag." Daytime, outdoor scenes were "Reference Quality" all the way! They had incredible DEPTH, vibrant COLORS (yet quite were WARM in keeping with it being a 'period piece'), mesmerizing DETAILS (especially in clothing), and striking CLARITY. Night-time scenes were a different story; there were many shots with sharpness and details, but there were also many shots that were either SOFT or NOISY (i.e. video noise)...these were evident mostly in outdoor shots (such as the first scene with the Warrens traveling home with Annabelle, but also in a few scenes inside the Warren house).

As always, it's very hard to rate a title like this. If I were to rate it according to the daytime scenes or interior scenes with good lighting, I would opt for a low Tier 0 ranking. But if I was thinking only of the dark scenes (which make up a good half of the movie) I would probably go with a low Tier 1 or even a high Tier 2 ranking. All things considered I'm going to put it right here.......

Tier Recommendation: 1.5*

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Crawl (1080p)

I grabbed this at Redbox today and I'm glad I did! This is one GEM of a movie!! The movie was excellent, and the PQ/AQ were awesome!!!

The real EYE CANDY in this movie is "in the shadows"; in other words, in the SHADOW DETAILS. Over half of the movie takes place in the "crawl" space of a house...it's very dark...but you can see every detail in wood, pipes, clothing, facial details, and lest I forget, ALLIGATORS!! I absolutely loved it. The BLACKS were as deep and inky as can be...and the SHADOW DETAILS were exquisite!

In the scenes outside, before and during the CAT 5 Hurricane, there was amazing CLARITY and DETAILS. FLESH TONES were spot-on accurate. DEPTH was appreciable. There was absolutely nothing to complain about...no softness, noise, aliasing, banding, etc.

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (.66)

PS I hope they end up putting out an UHD release!

PPS Again, the movie was really, really good. It was only about 83 minutes long but they made good use of every minute. The acting was exceptional and the story-line was a breath of fresh air.
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This was a "mixed bag." Daytime, outdoor scenes were "Reference Quality" all the way! They had incredible DEPTH, vibrant COLORS (yet quite were WARM in keeping with it being a 'period piece'), mesmerizing DETAILS (especially in clothing), and striking CLARITY. Night-time scenes were a different story; there were many shots with sharpness and details, but there were also many shots that were either SOFT or NOISY (i.e. video noise)...these were evident mostly in outdoor shots (such as the first scene with the Warrens traveling home with Annabelle, but also in a few scenes inside the Warren house).

As always, it's very hard to rate a title like this. If I were to rate it according to the daytime scenes or interior scenes with good lighting, I would opt for a low Tier 0 ranking. But if I was thinking only of the dark scenes (which make up a good half of the movie) I would probably go with a low Tier 1 or even a high Tier 2 ranking. All things considered I'm going to put it right here.......

Tier Recommendation: 1.5*

PS The Dolby Atmos mix was VERY GOOD!
I'll second your placement. Agree on the Atmos mix, it's fantastic. That cemetery scene near the beginning could have been less murky, but overall it's a fine presentation without serious issues.


Despite The Nun getting a 4K release, WB skipped Annabelle Comes Home on UHD.
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Friday the 13th: Part III

recommendation: Tier 4.5*

Ugly disc all around. Murky blacks, washed-out colors, and absent clarity are some of the things you'll discover if you can manage to watch the weakest of the original first four films in the series.


Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter

recommendation: Tier 3.0*

On par with the first two films with stable colors and clarity. Blacks and shadow detail are inconsistent, but expected for this series.

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Witch, The (UHD)

recommendation: Tier 0* (0.9)

Excellent picture with high levels of clarity and detail. The color palette drab, but all the shades of grays and browns are presented nicely. Black levels and shadow detail are top-level. The fur of Black Phillip, the goat, shows lots of detail and is richly presented. Many scenes are dimly lit and lots of overcast skies so Dolby Vision HDR really helps bring out a natural look.

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American Werewolf in London, An (Restored Edition; Universal)

recommendation: Tier 1.75*

Arrow is coming out with a Limited Edition next week, but I think it uses the same scan as this Universal release from 2016. Details are excellent for the most part, but there are some camera focus issues in some scenes. Black levels and shadow details are really good in all the night scenes and the encode handles the fog nicely, no macro-blocking at all. Where this film really shines is in all the gorgeous colors. Lots of beautiful reds in the main character's coat and all the blood. Blues, greens, and flesh tones are also strong.
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Walking Dead, The: Season 4

recommendation: Tier 2.5*

No different than the first three with just OK clarity and heavy grain at times.

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recommendation: Tier 2.5*

No different than the first three with just OK clarity and heavy grain at times.
Yeah, even on AT&T TV Now( DtvNow) which has stellar pq it looked kinda crappy.
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American Werewolf in London, An (Restored Edition; Universal)

recommendation: Tier 1.75*

Arrow is coming out with a Limited Edition next week, but I think it uses the same scan as this Universal release from 2016. Details are excellent for the most part, but there are some camera focus issues in some scenes. Black levels and shadow details are really good in all the night scenes and the encode handles the fog nicely, no macro-blocking at all. Where this film really shines is in all the gorgeous colors. Lots of beautiful reds in the main character's coat and all the blood. Blues, greens, and flesh tones are also strong.
According to the review on DVD Drive-in-“ Arrow's 1080p24 MPEG-4 AVC 1.85:1 widescreen Blu-ray is derived from a brand new 4K restoration of the original camera negative supervised by Landis. The "restored version" was a tad brighter while the Arrow looks a tad darker, but the prosthetic make-up effects hold up incredibly well in the new transfer (especially during David's transformation which takes place in the bright light of Alex's apartment) while Jack's torn out throat and slashed face look even more stomach-churning in the new transfer.”

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Yeah, even on AT&T TV Now( DtvNow) which has stellar pq it looked kinda crappy.
Yeah, even though the PQ gets somewhat better around Season 7 or 8, it still looks "kinda crappy," especially in dark scenes (with tons of video noise devoid of details). This is due to "director's intent" and thus they're not out to win a "PQ contest."

My wife and I are leaving for Philadelphia tomorrow for a week, but I'll be tuning in from time to time to see if anyone is posting reviews. This is the time of year where we start getting tons of reviews from some (because of the colder temps) and it could last until next spring.
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