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Maleficent: Mistress of Evil (UHD)
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I gave the 1080p release of the first installment a ranking of Tier 0 (.75). This easily falls somewhere in the top one-third of that tier. I'll be conservative and opt for....

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0 (.33)
+1. It's an eye candy to show off your gears. The story was predictable. Like most Disney films, they really know how to spend money and making the most of it. It's great family entertainment.
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Swamp Thing: The Complete Series

recommendation: Tier 1.5*

Due to Warner losing out on a tax rebate from the state of North Carolina, Swamp Thing only ran one season before getting canceled on DC Universe, the new streaming service. The complete series is spread evenly over two BD-50s. Offering a desaturated palette with flawless black levels, this is pure 1080P video with serious definition and razor-sharp detail. Not quite as eye-popping as sister shows Doom Patrol and Titans on the streaming outlet, this is still thoroughly impressive-looking television befitting premium cable. A hint of banding in the AVC encode is the only issue marring the otherwise pristine presentation.

Swamp Thing is driven by its visual effects and you would think the producers might soften its video to hide the CGI better. In fact, Swamp Thing blends its CGI better than just about any other television production I've seen. The impressive video quality doesn't take a dip, even in the numerous creature scenes. Shadow delineation is superb.
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Ok so im seeing some tier suggestions for the latest UHD movies in the thread but I cant find for the life of me a list that is newer than 2017!
Where the heck is it??
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Black Hole, The (Disney Movie Club exclusive)

recommendation: Tier 4.0*

All the optical special effects shots have beat the sharpness and color palette into submission and we are left with a mostly fuzzy and muddy mess. The few non-special effects shots are nice and sharp with bright colors.

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I just got done watching Gemini Man for the SECOND time! Man, do I love the PQ on this UHD title!! Say what you will about the HFR, one can't deny it has the best PQ to be seen in a live action movie (including Transformers: The Last Knight). It's like watching a UHD HFR "Demo Disc" for nearly two hours, except this one has some fairly good action scenes and some very good chemistry between Will Smith and Mary Elizabeth Winstead.

I can't wait for others to view this and to chime in with your impressions. I'm especially thinking of Snell!!
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20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (Disney Movie Club exclusive)

recommendation: Tier 3.0*

Gentlemen Prefer Blondes

recommendation: Tier 3.0*


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recommendation: Tier 1.0*

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I just got done watching Gemini Man for the SECOND time! Man, do I love the PQ on this UHD title!! Say what you will about the HFR, one can't deny it has the best PQ to be seen in a live action movie (including Transformers: The Last Knight). It's like watching a UHD HFR "Demo Disc" for nearly two hours, except this one has some fairly good action scenes and some very good chemistry between Will Smith and Mary Elizabeth Winstead.

I can't wait for others to view this and to chime in with your impressions. I'm especially thinking of Snell!!

Gonna have to add this to the wishlist, even though I've already seen the film.
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Gonna have to add this to the wishlist, even though I've already seen the film.
So, what did you think of Dunkirk?

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So, what did you think of Dunkirk?
Was the first disc I popped in after installing the TV, absolutely stunning, couldn't believe my eyes when it started.
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Was the first disc I popped in after installing the TV, absolutely stunning, couldn't believe my eyes when it started
I've had my OLED now for going on 2 years and I still "can't believe my eyes" at times...it's that good when fed a good source! Movies like Transformers: The Last Knight and Gemini Man are something to behold.

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Midway (1080p)

After reading reviews (with less-than-stellar marks for the movie itself) I decided to visit a local Redbox. The movie was indeed disappointing, especially when comparing it with the original (1976). The PQ was much more satisfying, but it had its issues, namely, some SOFT SHOTS and HEAVY GRAIN...which resulted in a lack of details and depth. The color palette was also nothing to brag about...very MUTED throughout with the exception of some isolated scenes. I found that the PQ got better and better as the movie progressed and during the last half it was worthy of Tier 0. Not so much in the first half.

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*

PS The Dolby Atmos mix was pretty good. I did have to turn my volume dial to about -5 to really appreciate it though.

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White Snake

recommendation: Tier 0* (.5)

From China comes this lavish animated fantasy epic set 500 years ago in imperial China. Put out by Shout Factory for GKIDS, Hollywood animation houses like Pixar have almost nothing on White Snake's stunning CGI animation. Think Kung Fu Panda but more serious in tone as snake demons battle humans.

Nigh flawless video quality, this is a top-notch animated presentation. Great character designs, fluid movement and beautiful colors make for real eye candy. Pulling this off at 1080P resolution on Blu-ray reminds us that the format isn't obsolete quite yet. A few years back, there is no doubt I would have placed this very high in Tier 0.


Piglet's Big Movie

recommendation: Tier 1.5*

Winnie the Pooh and friends make a warm splash in this 2003 traditionally animated feature production by Disney. An exclusive BD release from the Disney Movie Club, it was actually animated in Japan. The 74-minute main feature gets a BD-25, encoded in AVC bitrates frequently reaching the upper 30s. The 1.66:1 presentation receives a perfectly decent transfer that offers complete fidelity and transparency to the composited master. The digital Ink & Paint animation process comes out looking okay despite a few questionable zooms.

The color palette is slightly more reserved than Disney's usual feature films starring the gang from the Hundred Acre Wood. Particularly, both Winnie and Rabbit have less saturated color. That seems to be a subjective decision made by the filmmakers. The print is pristine, the elements have been kept in perfect condition.

It's a clean, snappy transfer that looks very nice on Blu-ray. Nothing overtly wrong in the picture quality and definitely deserves getting released on BD.
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White Snake

recommendation: Tier 0* (.5)

From China comes this lavish animated fantasy epic set 500 years ago in imperial China. Put out by Shout Factory for GKIDS, Hollywood animation houses like Pixar have almost nothing on White Snake's stunning CGI animation. Think Kung Fu Panda but more serious in tone as snake demons battle humans.

Nigh flawless video quality, this is a top-notch animated presentation. Great character designs, fluid movement and beautiful colors make for real eye candy. Pulling this off at 1080P resolution on Blu-ray reminds us that the format isn't obsolete quite yet. A few years back, there is no doubt I would have placed this very high in Tier 0.

Thanks. I'm always a sucker for cartoon/anime. Will give it a try.
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I just got done watching Gemini Man for the SECOND time! Man, do I love the PQ on this UHD title!! Say what you will about the HFR, one can't deny it has the best PQ to be seen in a live action movie (including Transformers: The Last Knight). It's like watching a UHD HFR "Demo Disc" for nearly two hours, except this one has some fairly good action scenes and some very good chemistry between Will Smith and Mary Elizabeth Winstead.

I can't wait for others to view this and to chime in with your impressions. I'm especially thinking of Snell!!
I am anxiously waiting for this title!! I know it'll be a top, top reference disc lol. We'll see how high soon

I ordered from Amazon a month ago but delivery date is the end of February, so I could have just ordered locally.
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Jojo Rabbit


A very analog-looking digital production. Warm tones, brown/yellow hues (as to fit into the WWII-era). It has plenty of detail but still a bit to be soft to be considered reference. the filmic appearance was still very pleasant to look at. Also filmed in 1.85:1, which I prefer


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Knives Out

Another 1.85:1 film, but it doesn't really impress much. Like Jojo Rabbit, it's a 2K DI and its one of those instances where you can tell its not really 4K (unlike for instance Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2. etc). It's a bit grainy, but nice details captured. doesn't look as sharp as reference 4K titles of the last 3-4 years should. If this was 2010 and on blu-ray it could be Tier 0.5 ... but standards have certainly changed.

PS: Movie itself was a 9/10, just like Jojo Rabbit. Back-to-back two amazing films and next up is Parasite

Tier recommendation: 1.5
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Thanks. I'm always a sucker for cartoon/anime. Will give it a try.
A bonus is that the English dub is fantastic. This is one case where I'd recommend the English dub over the Mandarin audio.

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Watched Endgame on 4K yesterday. Not ready to give ratings yet for UHD discs, but I found this really unremarkable.
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Midway (1080p)

After reading reviews (with less-than-stellar marks for the movie itself) I decided to visit a local Redbox. The movie was indeed disappointing, especially when comparing it with the original (1976). The PQ was much more satisfying, but it had its issues, namely, some SOFT SHOTS and HEAVY GRAIN...which resulted in a lack of details and depth. The color palette was also nothing to brag about...very MUTED throughout with the exception of some isolated scenes. I found that the PQ got better and better as the movie progressed and during the last half it was worthy of Tier 0. Not so much in the first half.

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*

PS The Dolby Atmos mix was pretty good. I did have to turn my volume dial to about -5 to really appreciate it though.
I watched a review on Youtube, and he did mentioned soft PQ and heavy grain... Sounds like a no-go for me
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Watched Endgame on 4K yesterday. Not ready to give ratings yet for UHD discs, but I found this really unremarkable.
Endgame looks amazing. As does Infinity War. It's really a shame they still use 2K DI on those movies, but they are great examples of 2K DIs that look better than most 'true' 4K movies. Phenomenal PQ but I think I prefer IW over Endgame PQ wise
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Parasite (1080p)

This will be my first blu-ray (2K/1080p/SDR) in probably two or three years lol. I've been all about that 4K/HDR/WCG lifestyle and refuse to buy any blu-rays, but I don't think this Korean movie will get a 4K release.

Nonetheless the picture quality was really, really good. It's sharp, that looks more like 4K than 2K. Very punchy image with great detail.
It really does annoy me that we don't get to see it in 4K/Dolby Vision and this blu-ray is near reference. in 2014, this would be Tier 0.

I think they used the Arri Alexa 65, which is a 6.5K camera... (more than double the resolution of 4K)


Tier recommendation: 1
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Apocolypse Now: Final Cut (4K)


Probably the best looking '70s movie that I have seen. At its finest, the image is near reference quality with that pleasant, filmic, analog looking image with absurd amount of detail. Other scenes are soft and extremely grainy, like they belong on VHS. Sub-DVD like quality. But its best shots did look good in 2020. I don't review with 'Nostalgia glasses' so I (unfairly) compare this 1979 movie to the likes of Transformers Last Knight, Mortal Engines, Dunkirk etc and obviously it falls short.

But it did overall look pleasant, and if not for some of the horrible scenes this would rank much higher.


Tier recommendation: 1.75
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Parasite (1080p)

This will be my first blu-ray (2K/1080p/SDR) in probably two or three years lol. I've been all about that 4K/HDR/WCG lifestyle and refuse to buy any blu-rays, but I don't think this Korean movie will get a 4K release.

Nonetheless the picture quality was really, really good. It's sharp, that looks more like 4K than 2K. Very punchy image with great detail.
It really does annoy me that we don't get to see it in 4K/Dolby Vision and this blu-ray is near reference. in 2014, this would be Tier 0.

I think they used the Arri Alexa 65, which is a 6.5K camera... (more than double the resolution of 4K)


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UK site says end of February for 4k release.
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Paras...lu-ray/257314/
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UK site says end of February for 4k release.
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Paras...lu-ray/257314/
Still no news on a 4k release with English subtitles so far as I can tell. Pretty damn ridiculous for a film that just won the Oscar to great acclaim.
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Frozen 2 (UHD)

I was IMPRESSED!! This one is right up there with the very best animated marvels!!!

Okay, this one may not have had all the glorious COLORS throughout the movie, but when they were on display they were GORGEOUS! The BLACKS were absolutely amazing and there were 3 scenes where they were highlighted..one was about 40 seconds long starting at the 19 minute mark...the second one started at approximately the 1 hour 5 minute mark and it lasted a good 2 minutes (it was DAZZLING with streaks of light and brilliant colors)...and I didn't stop to get the exact time on the third scene but it was perhaps 15 minutes after the one just mentioned. If you have a good display for BLACKS (like an OLED ), you will be on "cloud nine" for those scenes. Of course, DETAILS and TEXTURE were also pure Eye Candy in many shots (though they weren't as plentiful as in Secret Life of Pets, Toy Story 4 and Moana).

Before I give a placement I need to give a real shout-out for the spectacular HDR effects!! I had already mentioned the UNBELIEVABLE COLORS, which were a sight to behold, but there were times when there was a rather bleak background and then, all of a sudden, something would appear with bright and almost fluorescent colors. And there were different kinds of LIGHTING sprinkled throughout that were to-die-for. Add to this the super...and I mean SUPER...STRONG CONTRAST that yielded some of the best WHITES I've ever seen in an animated movie.

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (In the "Top Five" of animated titles)

PS I would be remiss if I didn't offer a comment on the Dolby Atmos mix. For a Disney release it was phenomenal!! It was a very active mix, with thunderous bass/LFE at times, crystal-clear dialogue, and the Fronts, Surrounds and Height channels were as precise as you could desire. There was one scene that really shined, with voices coming from every channel and then glass or ice breaking overhead. I felt it was "raining down on me!"

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Frozen 2 (UHD)

I was IMPRESSED!! This one is right up there with the very best animated marvels!!!

Okay, this one may not have had all the glorious COLORS throughout the movie, but when they were on display they were GORGEOUS! The BLACKS were absolutely amazing and there were 3 scenes where they were highlighted..one was about 40 seconds long starting at the 19 minute mark...the second one started at approximately the 1 hour 5 minute mark and it lasted a good 2 minutes (it was DAZZLING with streaks of light and brilliant colors)...and I didn't stop to get the exact time on the third scene but it was perhaps 15 minutes after the one just mentioned. If you have a good display for BLACKS (like an OLED ), you will be on "cloud nine" for those scenes. Of course, DETAILS and TEXTURE were also pure Eye Candy in many shots (though they weren't as plentiful as in Secret Life of Pets, Toy Story 4 and Moana).

Before I give a placement I need to give a real shout-out for the spectacular HDR effects!! I had already mention the UNBELIEVABLE COLORS, which were a sight to behold, but there were times when there was a rather bleak background and then, all of a sudden, something would appear with bright and almost fluorescent colors. And there were different kinds of LIGHTING sprinkled throughout that were to-die-for. Add to this the super...and I mean SUPER...STRONG CONTRAST that yielded some of the best WHITES I've ever seen in an animated movie.

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (In the "Top Five" of animated titles)

PS I would be remiss if I didn't offer a comment on the Dolby Atmos mix. For a Disney release it was phenomenal!! It was a very active mix, with thunderous bass/LFE at times, crystal-clear dialogue, and the Fronts, Surrounds and Height channels were as precise as you could desire. There was one scene that really shined, with voices coming from every channel and then glass or ice breaking overhead. I felt it was "raining down on me!"



I was coming here to write pretty much the same thing. This is a looker! And it sounds pretty great too for a Disney mix.
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I was coming here to write pretty much the same thing. This is a looker! And it sounds pretty great too for a Disney mix.
Yes Fred, it did indeed "sound pretty good for a Disney mix." I forgot to mention when commenting on the mix that I did have to turn it up more to get the best effect (I set it at -7.5 at times I turned it to -5), but in previous Disney animated films that didn't even help. So, I'm impressed and I hope this is a preview of coming Disney films.
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^^^^^^^^^^

So Fred, what exact placement would you give it? I would post it so it "becomes official."

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^^^^^^^^^^

So Fred, what exact placement would you give it? I would post it so it "becomes official."

Same spot as you:


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