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Bumblebee

Been spoiled by a lot of good looking movies lately, Bumble and its filmic artstyle looks superb. The CGI is next-level CGI that has that razor sharp digital look while the live action / non-cgi has a pleasant analog look going on without filling it with too much grain or noise. Filmed in my preferred 1.85:1 aspect ratio; the yellows of Bumble, the red & blues of the decepticons, the orange flames are all vibrant with plenty of pop. The image is a nice combination of great punch and details. It may not be the sharpest looking or have the most depth, but the CGI was absurdly good, as good as something like Pacific Rim and any other Transformers movie. While looking phenomenal, it isn't on the same level as Transformers: Last Knight (which is top 3, arguably #1 !), but then again nothing really is

I'd rank the previous Transformers;
Transformers - 1.75
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - 1.25
Transformers: Dark of the Moon - 1.0
Transformers: Age of Exctinction - 0.75
Transformers: Last Knight: - 0(.0001)

Bumblebee then gets the score of...

Tier Recommendation: 0.5

Almost going to give it 0.33 but I think it looked a little too soft to get the 'out-of-window' experience you get from other Tier 0 1.85:1 movies
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^^^^^^^^^^

I had given it a .5 but changed it to a .66 due to the softness.

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Shout did an excellent job on this release. The scan shown on TCM from time to time is really rough with crushed contrast and extensive print damage. This is nothing like that version with great detail and virtually zero print damage. The image is stable, focused, and contrast is strong with nice shadow detail. Kudos to Shout on an excellent release.

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^^^^^^^^^^

I had given it a .5 but changed it to a .66 due to the softness.

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Still no Gemini Man?
Yeah it is a bit soft. Maybe 0.66 is more accurate

Still no Gemini Man... Think we can blame the virus for this lol
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I thought the PQ on this movie was highly variable. Some shots were superb others a bit uninspiring. From plenty of facial details and razor sharpness to dull and relatively noisy. The sound quality of the movie was absolutely stunning however!

I thought this was everywhere from 0.75 to 1.25 so logically, mathematically I say

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Here is what I just posted on Ralph Potts' AVS Forum site:

The "credits are rolling" and I echo your sentiments down to the "dotting of every i and the crossing of every t." Like you Ralph, I was not familiar with the background of the events that Mr. Eastwood clearly brought to light. Like others, I believe it was a pure "travesty of justice" and the FBI and the media should have been held accountable.

PQ-wise, it was a TREAT! Not really "reference quality," but close enough. Details and texture were the greatest virtues, along with some appreciable depth in many shots. I was also very impressed with the black levels in the various night scenes; they added to the depth and enhanced primaries when they were on display.

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This was, for the most part, a real LOOKER! Most scenes took place in daytime, outdoor scenes with excellent CLARITY, DEPTH and warm, natural COLORS. DETAILS were also amazing; FLESH TONES were spot-on accurate; and CONTRAST was strong. In the rare night time scenes BLACK LEVELS were very good. I was going to give this a top Tier 1 ranking but I'm feeling generous tonight....

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^^^^^^^^^^^^

The more I thought about it, I think I want to change my placement to 1.0. Early on in the film that were some less-than-stellar shots...mostly soft shots that lacked detail and depth. As the movie progressed it became much sharper with razor-sharp clarity. Why is it that some films start out like that and then get better?

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Holy ****ing ****. Best. Picture. Ever. Or maybe, I don't know. Top 3 for sure. In a world where Dunkirk and Transformers: LK don't exist Gemini Man is completely unrivalled and on a completely different level to everything else out there. Shot in my preferred 1.85:1 aspect ratio, this is the new 'out of a window' experience that is closer to reality than any other movie. Its flawless, sharper-than-sharpest, and punchier than punchiest image looks like a glimpse of what 16K will look like in 2040.

I do not mind the 60 fps at all, in fact the motion looked absolutely stunning. The motorbike chase was absurdly good looking and one of the best displays of fast-paced smooth action I've seen post-PDP era.

There's obviously a ridiculous amount of pop to the image. The crystal blue skies, deep blue oceans, red/organge buildings of Colombia, yellow taxis etc. This movie might have the most '3D-depth' of any 2D movie.


Is it the best ever? I don't know. I still think Nolan's IMAX 15/70mm have a little more detail in them and are even closer to reality than Transformers: LK or Gemini Man, but Nolan's movies are let down by the non-IMAX shots filmed in 2.35:1 which are more often grainy and have nowhere NEAR the depth, clarity, sharpness, punch and detail of the IMAX scenes. So it is peak vs overall.


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Holy ****ing ****. Best. Picture. Ever. Or maybe, I don't know. Top 3 for sure. In a world where Dunkirk and Transformers: LK don't exist Gemini Man is completely unrivalled and on a completely different level to everything else out there. Shot in my preferred 1.85:1 aspect ratio, this is the new 'out of a window' experience that is closer to reality than any other movie. Its flawless, sharper-than-sharpest, and punchier than punchiest image looks like a glimpse of what 16K will look like in 2040.

I do not mind the 60 fps at all, in fact the motion looked absolutely stunning. The motorbike chase was absurdly good looking and one of the best displays of fast-paced smooth action I've seen post-PDP era.

There's obviously a ridiculous amount of pop to the image. The crystal blue skies, deep blue oceans, red/organge buildings of Colombia, yellow taxis etc. This movie might have the most '3D-depth' of any 2D movie.


Is it the best ever? I don't know. I still think Nolan's IMAX 15/70mm have a little more detail in them and are even closer to reality than Transformers: LK or Gemini Man, but Nolan's movies are let down by the non-IMAX shots filmed in 2.35:1 which are more often grainy and have nowhere NEAR the depth, clarity, sharpness, punch and detail of the IMAX scenes. So it is peak vs overall.


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I'd love to see 6 Underground 60 FPS UHD Bluray if they had filmed it that way. I love the look of that movie. Gemini Man looked amazing.
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In a world where Dunkirk and Transformers: LK don't exist Gemini Man is completely unrivalled and on a completely different level to everything else out there.

Is it the best ever? I don't know. I still think Nolan's IMAX 15/70mm have a little more detail in them and are even closer to reality than Transformers: LK or Gemini Man, but Nolan's movies are let down by the non-IMAX shots filmed in 2.35:1 which are more often grainy and have nowhere NEAR the depth, clarity, sharpness, punch and detail of the IMAX scenes. So it is peak vs overall.


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Well, as I've said before Snell, I agree with you concerning Transformers: The Last Knight (and that's why I said Gemini Man may be EQUAL to it), but when it comes to Dunkirk the color palette is very underwhelming. Everything else is spectacular, but when you have a muted color palette and it's competing with another film that has ALL the clarity, details, texture, etc. PLUS an amazing color palette, there's no contest. Just saying!

What I think puts Gemini Man a notch above T:TLK is "hyper-realism." It truly is like "looking out a window" which you can't say about T:TLK in every scene, especially the scenes with very heavy CGI.
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Well, as I've said before Snell, I agree with you concerning Transformers: The Last Knight (and that's why I said Gemini Man may be EQUAL to it), but when it comes to Dunkirk the color palette is very underwhelming. Everything else is spectacular, but when you have a muted color palette and it's competing with another film that has ALL the clarity, details, texture, etc. PLUS an amazing color palette, there's no contest. Just saying!

What I think puts Gemini Man a notch above T:TLK is "hyper-realism." It truly is like "looking out a window" which you can't say about T:TLK in every scene, especially the scenes with very heavy CGI.
The colours of Gemini Man are ridiculous. It looks like those Sony/Samsung/LG 4K-8K/HDR demos in the electronic stores. You know those silly ones that zoom in fruit, plants, veggies, animals, nature etc.

I still think Dunkirk is the clearest, most detailed image and the colour palette does not affect PQ in anyway.

I will also add Gemini Man probably had the best dimly lit scenes of any movie. Brightly lit scenes are obviously more punchy, dynamic, 3D-like depth and have more vibrant colours and POP than a dark scene, but Gemini Man is probably the first time I'd say very dark scenes looked reference!
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I had ordered a copy of the UHD 1917 from Best Buy and it was delayed, so I cancelled my order and purchased one from Amazon. It was supposed to arrive tomorrow but to my delight it came today! I hope to view it tonight or tomorrow. To say I'm excited is an understatement!

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I had ordered a copy of the UHD 1917 from Best Buy and it was delayed, so I cancelled my order and purchased one from Amazon. It was supposed to arrive tomorrow but to my delight it came today! I hope to view it tonight or tomorrow. To say I'm excited is an understatement!
Ahaa! Beat you to it!

And might I say you really should look forward to it.
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Wow. Phenomenal picture quality. Not many days ago I saw Gemini Man and thought I would be 'ruined' and disappointed by every movie that follows as it belonged in a holy trinity as top 3 best PQ ever.

Well I was wrong: 1917 has SUPERB image quality. Crystal clear, like a perfectly cut diamond and razor sharp like a razor blade

Djoberg - you might complain about muted colours but just like Dunkirk was a bit 'drab' this is too. 1917 is filled with a warm, earthy tone that has browns, greys, greens, olives, muddy/rusty hues as a WWI movie should. I thought the detail was as good as any reference movie.

4K DI, filmed in 4.5K by the Alexa LF (I noticed many movies with this new camera have very good PQ) I honestly think this movie looks flawless 99% of the time, only some dark scenes which didn't look as perfect as the rest of the movie does.

It's still one of my absolute favourite 2.35:1, live action discs, ever



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I found the PQ to be almost identical to that of Dunkirk, so much so that I am going to give it the same placement and I'll also post my "revisited review" where I mention the identical key virtues and the main drawbacks. In short, the CLARITY, DETAILS and DEPTH of this release are outstanding. BLACK LEVELS were very good, but not excellent, IMHO. There were a few SOFT FOCUS SHOTS that affected details and depth, but thankfully they were quite brief.

Like Dunkirk, it has a VERY DRAB COLOR PALETTE. Did that hinder details or depth? No! Did it rob me of any "PQ Eye Candy?" I'll answer that by saying, "When you view it on its own the answer is no. But when you compare it with titles like Gemini Man or Transformers: The Last Knight or even Planet Earth 2, the muted colors definitely deprive you of gorgeous colors and thus Eye Candy."

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^^^^^^^^^^

The more I compare 1917 with Dunkirk the more I am convinced they are nearly identical in terms of PQ, though I will say that the cinematography in Dunkirk was much better. I know 1917 was praised at the Oscars and in most "professional reviews" for this but I can't see it. Most of the country-side was actually quite bland compared to the ocean and beach views (with spectacular cliffs) in Dunkirk.

Both movies were very unique, to say the least. I think I enjoyed the filming technique of 1917 the best with its long, continuous shot and its close-ups depicting "trench warfare." But then I really enjoyed the scores of "aerial shots" in Dunkirk and the fantastic "dog fights" which literally put you in the cockpit. Both films featured heavy British accents which were hard to understand at times...in fact, quite a few times!

One more observation. I was surprised by the limited facial close-ups 1917. Don't get me wrong, there were some but not to be compared to the many close-ups in Dunkirk.

Do I think these two films are up there with the likes of Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down? No, for they lack the action scenes and the stellar cast. But they are in a niche all of their own, which gives us a compelling story which is accompanied with amazing musical scores.
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Both movies were very unique, to say the least. I think I enjoyed the filming technique of 1917 the best with its long, continuous shot and its close-ups depicting "trench warfare." But then I really enjoyed the scores of "aerial shots" in Dunkirk and the fantastic "dog fights" which literally put you in the cockpit. Both films featured heavy British accents which were hard to understand at times...in fact, quite a few times!
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Hehe. Hopefully subtitles helped? As with all accents, it's just exposure you need to get used to it then you should be fine. I find some American accents impenetrable too of course! But then if you add in regional dialects, you can be screwed even if you heard the words clearly, because you don't understand them
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I found the PQ to be almost identical to that of Dunkirk, so much so that I am going to give it the same placement and I'll also post my "revisited review" where I mention the identical key virtues and the main drawbacks. In short, the CLARITY, DETAILS and DEPTH of this release are outstanding. BLACK LEVELS were very good, but not excellent, IMHO. There were a few SOFT FOCUS SHOTS that affected details and depth, but thankfully they were quite brief.

Like Dunkirk, it has a VERY DRAB COLOR PALETTE. Did that hinder details or depth? No! Did it rob me of any "PQ Eye Candy?" I'll answer that by saying, "When you view it on its own the answer is no. But when you compare it with titles like Gemini Man or Transformers: The Last Knight or even Planet Earth 2, the muted colors definitely deprive you of gorgeous colors and thus Eye Candy."
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I kneeeeeew you would comment the drab colours

I too compared it to Dunkirk, and I think the depth, clarity, sharpness, details, etc are all very, very nearly on par with Dunkirk, which is ultimately my #1 reference, at its best.

I don't think colour palettes affect PQ in any way. Grain on the other hand completely DESTROYS an image for me.

Just like many for some reason don't mind film grain in your movies.

But to me 1917 is probably top 20 somewhere
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Okay, I'll say this ONE MORE TIME!

I said in my review above that the muted color palette did NOT hinder details or clarity, so it obviously didn't affect the PQ "in that way." But then I added that if you compare it to titles with gorgeous colors you realize that you are being DEPRIVED OF EYE CANDY! You may be thinking, "So what?" My response to that would be, "When we make a placement recommendation WE ARE COMPARING IT TO OTHER TITLES!!" That is what we do! So, if we are comparing 1917 with other titles with amazing clarity, details, and depth, but they also have amazing colors, you are, of necessity, going to penalize 1917 with a lower placement.

Enough said!

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Hello, folks. Thought I'd swing by for a couple of quick reviews. Hope everyone is doing well in these strange times. It's as good a time as any to catch up on your BD and UHD viewing at home.

Superman: Red Son UHD

recommendation: Tier 1.5*

This may be too harsh of a score for a brand-new, DTV movie from WB Animation, but I wasn't overly impressed by Red Son's aesthetic. For those unaware, Superman: Red Son is an alternate history that depicts Superman being raised as a Communist in Soviet Russia under Stalin. The animators go with less saturated colors and slighted muted primary colors for the retro period setting.

The superior HEVC encode completely eliminates banding from the clean 2160P video. In fact, there are no real technical flaws by Warner. The animation itself isn't natively 4K resolution, which does limit the impact and pop this type of animated material can produce on UHD.

Munster, Go Home!

recommendation: Tier 3.5*

I've always been a big fan of the Munsters on television and was delighted hearing Shout Factory was finally giving us their first and only theatrical feature on Blu-ray. The 1966 movie has been licensed from Universal and I'm sure it's their transfer as well. Alas, it's not a new scan. The older film transfer has satisfactory detail and adequate grain reproduction, though sharp ringing can be spotted in several scenes. The picture quality's best features are fine color saturation and a steady contrast, nicely showing off the greenish make-up used on the Munster family. Some limitations in black levels lead to crushed shadow detail.

I don't believe this is the best the original elements could look, but the economic realities of any Munster release in 2020 make this so-so presentation probably the best we are going to get for this hokey but still entertaining comedy.
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Weird Science (Arrow)

recommendation: Tier 2.5*
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Jumanji (UHD)

recommendation: Tier 1.0*

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Village of the Damned (1960)

recommendation: Tier 2.75*

Nice presentation from the Warner Archive Collection, image is very stable on all levels.

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Hell on Frisco Bay

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