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I just wanted to stop by and say hi. I haven't watched any movies since the last ones I reviewed here (which i can't even remember), so I haven't had much to comment or contribute to the thread. I'm way behind the loop, and I don't think I'll be buying many movies (or any!) in the near future. I guess it's a good thing I've got a sizeable collection, so probably I'll be rewatching some of them, and I actually have a bunch that I haven't watched. Movie hoarding must have a payoff at some point, isn't it?

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I just wanted to stop by and say hi. I haven't watched any movies since the last ones I reviewed here (which i can't even remember), so I haven't had much to comment or contribute to the thread. I'm way behind the loop, and I don't think I'll be buying many movies (or any!) in the near future. I guess it's a good thing I've got a sizeable collection, so probably I'll be rewatching some of them, and I actually have a bunch that I haven't watched. Movie hoarding must have a payoff at some point, isn't it?

Hope you're are doing ok.
This is now the time when we all get up to date on our backlog of unwatched movies and television shows. Amazon is still delivering movies, they just show up randomly. I just received the first season of the Jetsons on BD. Now I did disinfect the package...
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Weird Science (Arrow)

recommendation: Tier 2.5*
I've been meaning to get Arrow's disc. Have the older Blu-ray, but have heard good things about the new transfer.

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Now I did disinfect the package...
Lol! Well, it's true. I've ordered some other stuff from Amazon, and I have to disinfect packages. It's almost comical.

Amazon Mexico is still delivering, although prices have went up, like UP, and Amazon US prices have skyrocketed for us, and that for the items they're delivering here, which are now very limited. In hindsight, I should have bought more stuff this past Black Friday...

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Lol! Well, it's true. I've ordered some other stuff from Amazon, and I have to disinfect packages. It's almost comical.

Amazon Mexico is still delivering, although prices have went up, like UP, and Amazon US prices have skyrocketed for us, and that for the items they're delivering here, which are now very limited. In hindsight, I should have bought more stuff this past Black Friday...

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I just wanted to stop by and say hi. I haven't watched any movies since the last ones I reviewed here (which i can't even remember), so I haven't had much to comment or contribute to the thread. I'm way behind the loop, and I don't think I'll be buying many movies (or any!) in the near future. I guess it's a good thing I've got a sizeable collection, so probably I'll be rewatching some of them, and I actually have a bunch that I haven't watched. Movie hoarding must have a payoff at some point, isn't it?
I've got a sizable stack of unwatched discs as well (60 as of today) and to think I was at 0 about a year ago . Felt a little guilty I went so crazy on Black Friday but the prices and selection were so good I couldn't pass up a great deal. With stores closed and Amazon restricting shipments on non-essentials, I'm thankful for my unwatched pile. With the Amazon situation, the specialty labels have really stepped up; I've added close to 20 titles from Arrow, Criterion, WAC, and Kino Lorber recently from some amazing sales (most give free shipping over $50 so of course I have to get 4-5 titles each time ).

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I've been meaning to get Arrow's disc. Have the older Blu-ray, but have heard good things about the new transfer.
At tier 2.5 it's a good watch. The special effects have held up on this one, I was really surprised. The image is only marred by some inherent softness.
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Thanks for "dropping in AmerCa" and letting us know how you're doing. Like most, I'm busy "staying at home" with the rest of America and the world! To say we are in "unchartered waters" with this pandemic is an understatement.

I have been watching some titles from my library that I had never watched before on my LG OLED and enjoying it. I also watch quite a few series and movies on Amazon Prime and I just subscribed to Disney Plus a couple of weeks ago and I really enjoyed the First Season of The Mandalorian. The Pixar and Disney movies that are in 4K/HDR are a treat to watch...some very good EYE CANDY.

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Godzilla: King of the Monsters


Not really impressed at all. A huge CGI-fest that makes it look soft and isn't even world class CGI like Pacific Rim, Transformers, etc... Looks more like the CGI you would find in a TV show like GoT.
No doubt a 2K DI and this CGI is 100% rendered in 2K.

Having come of back-to-back reference titles like Gemini Man and 1917 this just appears not-so-sharp, not-so-detailed, no 'pop', little punch, light grain, relatively noisy. 1917 looks so much better the director of this movie should be ashamed of himself.


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^^^^^^^

I had given this a 1.75 ranking and then changed it to 1.25. So, we were close to being on the same page for a day or two!

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^^^^^^^

I had given this a 1.75 ranking and then changed it to 1.25. So, we were close to being on the same page for a day or two!

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Indeed. Though I went straight from two of the best looking movies ever to what was a huge disappointment PQ-wise.
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Ahhh Tron Legacy. Back in the blu-ray days (c. 2012) I remember this was the ULTIMATE disc for showing off the black levels your Panasonic/Pioneer PDP or JVC projector could produce.

a 4K/HDR remaster is a must
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Dirty Dancing
recommendation: Tier 3.0*

Big Lebowski, The (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 1.0*

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 0* (0.25)

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recommendation: Tier 3.5*

Guardians of the Galaxy (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 0* (0.75)

Sea Chase, The (Warner Archive)
recommendation: Tier 3.75*

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recommendation: Tier 3.5*

Moana (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 0* (Top 10, animated)

Fail Safe (Criterion)
recommendation: Tier 2.5*

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recommendation: Tier 0* (0.75)

Addams Family, The
recommendation: Tier 2.75*

Addams Family Values
recommendation: Tier 2.75*

Sea Wolf, The (Warner Archive)
recommendation: Tier 2.5*

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recommendation: Tier 3.0*

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Ahhh Tron Legacy. Back in the blu-ray days (c. 2012) I remember this was the ULTIMATE disc for showing off the black levels your Panasonic/Pioneer PDP or JVC projector could produce.



a 4K/HDR remaster is a must
Not sure why the last video isn't working but here's another gem
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Dirty Dancing
recommendation: Tier 3.0*

Big Lebowski, The (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 1.0*

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 0* (0.25)

Man of a Thousand Faces (Arrow Academy)
recommendation: Tier 3.5*

Guardians of the Galaxy (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 0* (0.75)

Sea Chase, The (Warner Archive)
recommendation: Tier 3.75*

Sicilian Clan, The (Kino Lorber)
recommendation: Tier 3.5*

Moana (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 0* (Top 10, animated)

Fail Safe (Criterion)
recommendation: Tier 2.5*

Captain America: The Winter Soldier (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 0* (0.75)

Addams Family, The
recommendation: Tier 2.75*

Addams Family Values
recommendation: Tier 2.75*

Sea Wolf, The (Warner Archive)
recommendation: Tier 2.5*

Hero, The (Criterion)
recommendation: Tier 3.0*
Thanks. It's always great how you rate movies for the PQ Tiers beyond the latest blockbusters. The system doesn't mean much if every disc lands in Tier 0.

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Pretty much what I expected from something that is 40+ years old. Some shots looked comparable to modern movies others were 'DVD' looking.

Tier recommendation: 2.5
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Star Wars IX: Rise of Skywalker

Is it possible to unsee a movie? This is literally the worst movie I have ever seen, and deservedly gets a 1/10 on IMDB.

It's PQ, like almost every other Star Wars is largely unimpressive, though some planets did look pretty good, the rest was too dull, too dark, not a lot of detail or anything.


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recommendation: Tier 3.0*

Good Morning, Vietnam
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Lion King, The (2019) (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 0* (Top 5, animated)

This one is stunning; the photo realistic animation is eye popping good. The details in both the animals and backgrounds are amazing. Fur, water, dust, foliage, and pretty much every surface/texture look real and natural. Shadows and black levels are also top notch. The use of sunlight and movement from wind look very natural. There were only a few fleeting moments where some of the animated animals looked a little flat, mostly on the female lions or antelope.

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Star Wars IX: Rise of Skywalker

Is it possible to unsee a movie? This is literally the worst movie I have ever seen, and deservedly gets a 1/10 on IMDB.

It's PQ, like almost every other Star Wars is largely unimpressive, though some planets did look pretty good, the rest was too dull, too dark, not a lot of detail or anything.


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Rise of Skywalker is WAY better than The Last Jedi. I've seen far worse than even TLJ, but to each his own. BTW, RoS got a 6.7 on IMDB, not a 1/10 (maybe an individual review?).
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BTW, RoS got a 6.7 on IMDB, not a 1/10 (maybe an individual review?).

Yes. Mine.
TLJ was really bad but holy **** ROS was soo garbage.
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Mad Max: Fury Road

The 4K/HDR wasn't as good as I remembered the blu-ray on my Kuro. I guess a lot has changed in 5 years and expectation of colour accuracy and 4K-sharpness has increased. While it still looks amazing at times, with punchy orange hues the image tended to look rather soft with relatively low-res CGI. flames and everything look rather fake. Lots of details to be found however.

Was everywhere from tier 0.5 to 1.5

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recommendation: Tier 2.0*

Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (Warner Archive)
recommendation: Tier 4.0*

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Jumanji: The Next Level (1080p)

I decided to "rent" instead of "buy" this time around, due to some miserable reviews on the movie itself. This wasn't as bad as I thought it would be and the PQ was spectacular!

This has it all....bold COLORS....rich BLACKS/SHADOW DETAILS....incredible DEPTH....super-strong CONTRAST....mesmerizing DETAILS and last, but not least, razor-sharp CLARITY. I believe this looked just as good as my viewing of the first installment, which was in 4K, so I'm going with the same placement recommendation...

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Nice, Djoberg. I had my reservations on this movie, nice to read it isn't as bad as some claim, and it has spectacular PQ. I'll check it out at some point.

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At the risk of beating a dead horse, have you tried automating the tier list with Google Forms & Google Sheets? The form would be something simple:

Required: Movie Name
Required: Tier
Optional: UHD or HD disc
Optional: BD region
Optional: Edition info
Optional: Comments
Optional: Username

Google Form entries are automatically collected into a corresponding Google Sheet (similar to Microsoft Excel). You can share the Google Sheet publicly and people could view the data any way they please.

The default list could be a simple average, then an alphabetical sort within each tier. Just like the current list. (Tier 0 would be a special case where you would rank by closest to zero.)

I saw in another thread it's difficult to rank 4K discs alongside 1080p ones. No problem! Provide a list that includes both types in one list, and another that splits UHD / HD into their own categories.
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^^^^^^^^^

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Little Women (2019....1080p)

It was a foregone conclusion that my wife would want to see this so we opted to rent it (but we'll no doubt buy it once a UHD release comes out). This was not our favorite version of this (it will be hard to best the 1994 version with Susan Sarandon and Wynona Ryder...and we actually enjoyed the Amazon Prime Original version better than this). Having said that, this was still good, though a bit confusing with the countless "flashbacks" that were happening almost nonstop.

PQ-wise, it was EXCELLENT in the "future scenes" (with amazing DEPTH, DETAILS, CLARITY, COLORS and BLACK LEVELS). The "flashback scenes" were quite SOFT in many of the indoor scenes and there was a considerable amount of COLOR-GRADING (ORANGE hues, anyone?) that hindered depth and details.

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (.9)

PS For the record, if the PQ looked as good as the "future scenes" all the way through, this would have easily landed in the middle of Tier Blu.
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At the risk of beating a dead horse, have you tried automating the tier list with Google Forms & Google Sheets? The form would be something simple:

Required: Movie Name
Required: Tier
Optional: UHD or HD disc
Optional: BD region
Optional: Edition info
Optional: Comments
Optional: Username

Google Form entries are automatically collected into a corresponding Google Sheet (similar to Microsoft Excel). You can share the Google Sheet publicly and people could view the data any way they please.

The default list could be a simple average, then an alphabetical sort within each tier. Just like the current list. (Tier 0 would be a special case where you would rank by closest to zero.)

I saw in another thread it's difficult to rank 4K discs alongside 1080p ones. No problem! Provide a list that includes both types in one list, and another that splits UHD / HD into their own categories.
I had the same idea...in 2012. We tried it that way for several years and participation was uneven at best. I gave up on it around 2016 I'll say. It became too much of a hassle correcting the bad data and then properly translating it for the PQ Tiers. I'd welcome someone automating the process, but training users to enter their own data was always a hurdle.



The advent of UHD has complicated Tier 0. It was easier delineating spectacular PQ when it was Blu-ray, which Tier 0 should represent. Too many UHDs, movies consciously chosen by the studios for maximum video quality, bias the pool of entries. I'd say more than half of all UHDs from newer productions should land in the old conception of Tier 0. I've been pondering what to do about it.



My reviewing duties have gotten lighter as studios pull screeners and generally shut down in the wake of this situation. That should leave me more free time to get the PQ Tiers mostly current and up to date.

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