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^^^^^^^^^

I'm assuming you're reviewing the UHD version..am I right Snell?
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Pffffff! Do you think he'd be reviewing a 1080p disc?

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Haha of course it's the 4K/UHD version


I think the only regular blu-ray I have watched in the last three years was Parasite...

I haven't really bothered specifying whether it's 2K or 4K disc since literally everything I reviewed has been 4K.

Though this thread is originally made for 1080p blus, 4K is the new standard and I would rather specify when it's not 4K/HDR
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Haha of course it's the 4K/UHD version


I think the only regular blu-ray I have watched in the last three years was Parasite...

I haven't really bothered specifying whether it's 2K or 4K disc since literally everything I reviewed has been 4K.

Though this thread is originally made for 1080p blus, 4K is the new standard and I would rather specify when it's not 4K/HDR
The only reason I asked was because you said you had nothing to add to my review which was a review of the 1080p version. Yet I do know that you have only been watching UHD Blu-rays. I was actually hoping you would go HIGHER than my review which would have encouraged me to buy the UHD release.

In my case, I simply can't afford to BUY all my Blu-rays so I still rent a good number of them. In our rather small city of 15,000 people we only have two Redbox locations and they still don't offer the UHD version.
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Absolutely breathtaking. One of the best looking UHD discs out there and exemplary use of HDR. Probably the best looking CGI in any movie. I read that 95% of the movie was CGI and I've honestly never struggled so much in detecting which scenes were the 95% CGI and what was the 5% live action shots. A 1.85:1 prestentation that comes dangerously close to give the 'out of a window' look of the best looking movies. I think it was just a smidgen too soft to make a top 5 / top 10, but it is a top reference movie for sure.

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Absolutely breathtaking. One of the best looking UHD discs out there and exemplary use of HDR. Probably the best looking CGI in any movie. I read that 95% of the movie was CGI and I've honestly never struggled so much in detecting which scenes were the 95% CGI and what was the 5% live action shots. A 1.85:1 prestentation that comes dangerously close to give the 'out of a window' look of the best looking movies. I think it was just a smidgen too soft to make a top 5 / top 10, but it is a top reference movie for sure.

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I wasn't even thinking of getting this (since I haven't bee a real big fan of the animated versions) but you "whetted my appetite." I decided to check out Ralph Potts' review and his assessment mirrors yours...and so do all the "comments" from those who responded to Ralph.

But there is a caveat or two...Ralph said (and all who posted agreed) that it really "lacked heart/soul" and the audio was "disappointing." You never said anything about either of these so do you care to weigh in? Some that absolutely LOVED the PQ went on to say they'd probably never watch it again.

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^^^^^^

I just read the review by High Def Digest and they went along with Ralph on the PQ (being amazing!) and the story (being without emotion). But he strayed from the pack when it came to the Dolby Atmos mix...he said it was very, very good, and that you didn't even have to raise the volume as one normally has to do with a Disney production.

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Well I think Lion King is the best story ever told. Absolutely loved it. Broke my heart once again. I do see why some people say it lacked soul.

The beauty of The Lion King (1994) is the facial expressions and emotions on display. You don't need to speak English or even have any audio at all and you can fully understand what is going on. Can't say the same for the 2019 version.

The PQ was phenomenal though
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You hit the proverbial "nail on the head" by comparing the 1994 and 2019 versions, for the original had "facial expressions and emotions on display" and the recent release was void of those expressions/emotions. That is exactly why Ralph and others said it "lacked soul/emotion."

I really do want to see the exceptional PQ so perhaps I will end up ordering it. I know my grandchildren will still love the movie in spite of there being no facial expressions so that, in and of itself, would justify getting it.
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The Gentlemen


Wasn't really impressed with this movie. For a 4K presentation it looks more like 2K, too dark/grainy/bland looking for my taste. Some decent sharpness and details here and there but subtle use of HDR, no real 'pop' to the image either.

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Dolittle

Sharp. Punchy. Lots of pop. Great colours.
Shot in 1.85:1, great details. good CGI. Shame about the 2K DI when it was filmed in 8K... Oh well. very solid looking CGI at least

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The Call of the Wild (1080p)

This was a "nice rental" with good "family entertainment" and excellent PQ!

If I were to give you a "two word review" it would be SQUEAKY CLEAN! This has razor-sharp CLARITY with immaculate DETAILS and DEPTH. It was a "sight to behold" especially with the innumerable scenes of amazing landscapes. My "jaw was on the floor" during those scenes!! If I have one gripe (and it is more than justified) it would be with the CGI of the animals. When they running or jumping the CGI was SO OBVIOUS it was distracting; when they were motionless or barely moving they looked incredible.

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Fatal Attraction (Paramount Presents)
recommendation: Tier 2.0*

Raid 2, The
recommendation: Tier 1.0*

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recommendation: Tier 1.0*

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recommendation: Tier 0* (0.75)

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recommendation: Tier 0* (0.75)

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recommendation: Tier 1.75*

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recommendation: Tier 0* (0.9)

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recommendation: Tier 0* (0.5)

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Godzilla: King of the Monsters (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 1.0*



Meg, The (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 1.0*
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I agree with every review except these two

How could you put them in the same tier??? The MEG IMO has some of the best picture quality of any movie, as long as you raise the gamma so that the image doesn't look as washed out and Godzilla King of the Monsters.. bluuurgh one of the worst looking blockbusters IMO.
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I agree with every review except these two

How could you put them in the same tier??? The MEG IMO has some of the best picture quality of any movie, as long as you raise the gamma so that the image doesn't look as washed out and Godzilla King of the Monsters.. bluuurgh one of the worst looking blockbusters IMO.

I call them as I see them and I shouldn't have to muck around with my settings to get a particular film to look as it should if the mastering and authoring were done correctly in the first place.

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My apologies in advance if I rank someone's favorite film lower than they think.

Hunt for Red October, The (UHD)
recommendation: Tier 2.0*

The Blu-ray currently resides in Tier 2.0 and I suspect it was a generous ranking back in the day. Many soft shots and some black crush keep me from putting it higher.

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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (UHD...on Disney Plus)

Okay, as you can see I did NOT see the actual UHD Blu-ray so my "official review" will come at a later date. But this did look pretty good on Disney Plus! It had excellent details, depth and clarity in close-ups and even in mid-range shots. It also had some vibrant colors courtesy of HDR. The black levels were a mixed bag with some "space scenes" featuring "inky blacks" while others didn't reach the full potential I expect on my LG OLED.

The "negatives" were some HEAVY GRAIN at times that hindered details and depth...and then some SOFTNESS in heavy CGI shots.

Tier Recommendation: 1.0*

PS From the reviews I've read from the "experts" the actual blu-ray fared better so I suspect it should land in the latter half of Tier 0.

PPS Disney Plus only offered the Dolby Surround track so I was "underwhelmed" in that department.

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I believe the Disney Plus service has several 4K presentations not available on UHD.

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^^^^^^^^^^

I'll have to double check that, but I do know my "HDR" icon came on as it started and the colors looked very good and the many scenes with "fire" and "laser beams" looked amazing, so I figured it had to be in HDR.

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I agree with every review except these two

How could you put them in the same tier??? The MEG IMO has some of the best picture quality of any movie, as long as you raise the gamma so that the image doesn't look as washed out and Godzilla King of the Monsters.. bluuurgh one of the worst looking blockbusters IMO.
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I call them as I see them and I shouldn't have to muck around with my settings to get a particular film to look as it should if the mastering and authoring were done correctly in the first place.
I gotta agree with Snell on this one regarding The Meg. I just finished watching it again and it still looks as good as ever! I gave it a Tier 0 (.5) ranking the first time I saw it and it still deserves that place.

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No worries Darth, just discussion I often disagree with the opinions of Ralph Potts, The Editors of AVforumsUK, Djoberg, etc

Djoberg hates muted colour and doesn't mind film grain... I hate grain but do not mind muted colours for instance
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No worries Darth, just discussion I often disagree with the opinions of Ralph Potts, The Editors of AVforumsUK, Djoberg, etc

Djoberg hates muted colour and doesn't mind film grain... I hate grain but do not mind muted colours for instance
It's rare finding discs everyone unanimously agrees on regarding pure picture quality. Viewers have different tastes.

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It's rare finding discs everyone unanimously agrees on regarding pure picture quality. Viewers have different tastes.
That's why I go by the CRITERIA (listed on the Ranking Thread) for judging PQ!

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Sonic the Hedgehog (1080p)

This was quite the looker, though it didn't quite live up to the hype that I read about from most reviewers. Having said that, the Dolby Atmos mix "blew me away!" This is a great demo for your "surround sound system" and I hope your sub(s) can handle the unbelievable bass/LFE in a couple of the scenes.

PQ-wise, it's a good "demo disc," but if it makes it into Tier Blu it won't be anywhere near the top...or even the middle. I am feeling generous though so I'll vote for....

Tier Recommendation: Tier 0* (.75)
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King Creole

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Paramount finally issues the 1958 film starring Elvis Presley on Blu-ray and the wait is almost worth it. While the original camera negative is lost, the crisp black-and-white cinematography receives a pleasing 4K transfer from quality extant elements. The 1.78:1 presentation captures the king of rock n' roll in his youthful prime with stark clarity and fine grain reproduction.

Shot almost like a film noir, King Creole exhibits excellent black levels and highly refined shadow delineation. Some minor softness creeps into several scenes but this is classic Hollywood cinematography with fairly striking depth and definition.

King Creole's new film transfer is worth the price of admission for Elvis lovers.
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War of the Worlds (UHD)

I have always liked this movie but was always disappointed with the PQ which had way too heavy grain in some scenes, sporadic soft shots and less-than-stellar blacks/shadow details. But this UHD takes it to a very impressive level and I highly recommend it to all who are fans. The Dolby Atmos mix was awesome EXCEPT for some disappointing LFE in what were true "Demo Scenes" (think "Pod Emergence Scene") in the 2005 Blu-ray.

Here was what I just wrote for a short review on Ralph's site:

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Tier Recommenation: Tier 0* (.75)

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War of the Worlds (UHD)

I have always liked this movie but was always disappointed with the PQ which had way too heavy grain in some scenes, sporadic soft shots and less-than-stellar blacks/shadow details. But this UHD takes it to a very impressive level and I highly recommend it to all who are fans. The Dolby Atmos mix was awesome EXCEPT for some disappointing LFE in what were true "Demo Scenes" (think "Pod Emergence Scene") in the 2005 Blu-ray.

Here was what I just wrote for a short review on Ralph's site:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/187-o...l#post59693472

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PS If not for the GRITTY SCENES I would have opted for the middle (.5).
I now have the 4K version W/Atmos and patiently waiting for my Atmos System to get installed in June.

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I now have the 4K version W/Atmos and patiently waiting for my Atmos System to get installed in June.

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Hey Terry,

You are in for a real treat once you get your Atmos system; it truly puts you in a "dome of sound!" I will look forward to you "dropping in" to this thread to give us your impressions...on both the PQ and AQ. Again, the UHD/HDR brings this up to "Reference Level" which is light years ahead of the 2010 Blu-ray version. The Atmos mix also brings it UP to "Reference Level" EXCEPT the LFE isn't as low in demo scenes as the Blu-ray DTS-HD mix was. For the life of me I have no idea why they would "filter" the sound and lower the LFE. That said, the bass/LFE is still quite good!

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