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post #1021 of 3262 Old 08-23-2006, 11:25 AM
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Yes indeed, TrueHD is based on MLP.

That said, the standards are different, but I think the fact remains - if they -added- TrueHD 5.1 support (which is MLP based) then surely they can also -add- direct MLP support for DVD-A playback via firmware.

I think this is a lot more likely than SACD support, for sure.

That said, make it a rock solid HD-DVD/DVD movie player first and foremost - and I think that's what they're doing. WE won't likely see DVD-A support until long after the black/white/skipping issues are all solved.

You also have to update some other things, like the directory lookups when you load DVD Media to look for an AUDIO_TS first instead of VIDEO_TS. Lots o' little things.

I will ask if a Dolby TrueHD decoder is a true superset such that it would be a correctly functioning MLP decoder for DVD-Audio. I would imagine that's the case, but I'm not the guy writing the code for this stuff

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I'm hoping this is the beta that got "leaked" and not the final firmware...

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Ok let me ask.

A1 hooked to reciever threw digital coaxial cable decoded to DTS vrs 5.1 analog to the reciever listening to True HD.

How much better does it really sound? Is it a night and day kind of difference or something much much more subtle?


Also, is it worth it to spend $90 on the cables from http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/6channel/index.htm

Or will the cheapest cables I can find some just as good?
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I burned two updates using Nero and Nero express.

1. Be sure you use a CD not a DVD
2. Choose Image proj copy from menu (Nero Express)
3. Load file
4. Burn Disk
5. I suggest that you burn at slow speed 8x or 16 times
6. Don't worry if you do not see a file on the disk. Try it in the Toshiba it should work.
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Ok let me ask.

A1 hooked to reciever threw digital coaxial cable decoded to DTS vrs 5.1 analog to the reciever listening to True HD.

How much better does it really sound? Is it a night and day kind of difference or something much much more subtle?

Yes. Not a very solid answer is it? Sorry I can't be more comforting but there are too many variables to answer with any certainty.

The 5.1 with TrueHD has the potential to sound better, but the DTS track can have additional processing such as better Bass Management, Time Alignment and Room EQ tools that an analog input might lack. All of these could lead to a better experience with DTS via digital input than TrueHD via an analog input.

No question, all else being equal, that the TrueHD track should sound better but the practical aspects are important considerations.

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If the improvements (and drawbacks) from this update could be all put in the first post, it would be great.
But I guess it'll be better to wait for the official firmware for that...

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I have a 3year old receiver, but I'm only using two great Paradigm speakers as fronts, and a good pair of B&W as rears; For now, I don't have a center channel or a subwoofer.

Will the Toshiba bass management in v2.0 allow me to set both sub and center speakers as 'none', so I can use the TrueHD analog outs? Or will I be forced to use the coax out transcoded to DTS (so that my receiver can mix the center channel)?

(My Toshiba is backorderd, shall arrive next month, and I'm trying to decide if I need to buy a set of high quality audio RCA cables).

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But I guess it'll be better to wait for the official firmware for that...

Definitely yes.

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Yes. Not a very solid answer is it? Sorry I can't be more comforting but there are two many variables to answer with any certainty.

The 5.1 with TrueHD has the potential to sound better, but the DTS track can have additional processing such as better Bass Management, Time Alignment and Room EQ tools that an analog input might lack. All of these could lead to a better experience with DTS via digital input than TrueHD via an analog input.

No question, all else being equal, that the TrueHD track should sound better but the practical aspects are important considerations.

Best Regards,


Interesting. Thank you.
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Dolby TrueHD sounds great!

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You'll be happy - I'm running it in 720p right now and it's PERFECT.


So 720p is supposedly fixed or better than before, but is it better than outputting '1080i'? Have you compared the two on your setup?
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Definitely yes.


you can always back up the firmware to 1.4 and reload the "official" 2.0 later, I have done this many times I loaded the 2.0 firmware before i left for work and everything seems great! work always gets in the way of my fun
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you can always back up the firmware to 1.4 and reload the "official" 2.0 later, I have done this many times I loaded the 2.0 firmware before i left for work and everything seems great! work always gets in the way of my fun


Is it really as simple as me putting in the disc for whatever firmware I want and going for it, even if it means going backwards?

I'm tempted to roll it back to firmware 1.3 for a while and see how that goes, if nothing else.

It SEEMS like folks around here with 1.3 were doing better, on average...

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Since you are so well-informed, why don't you enlighten the rest of us with your HD news source(s)


I usually just ask William.
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Is it really as simple as me putting in the disc for whatever firmware I want and going for it, even if it means going backwards?

I'm tempted to roll it back to firmware 1.3 for a while and see how that goes, if nothing else.

It SEEMS like folks around here with 1.3 were doing better, on average...

it really is that easy!! i have saved on disk 1.2, 1.3 and 1.4 just pop the disk in ,click yes and you are all set
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Got some news about 2.0 audio decoding you folks might find interesting.

I've got a Japanese HD DVD which has four audio tracks: PCM stereo, DTS 5.1 (96k/24bit), Dolby TrueHD 5.1 (96k/24bit) and DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 (96k/24bit).

My XA1 is connected to a Pioneer VSA-AX10 receiver with both 5.1 analog and an optical cable. Did some testing, and here are the results:

Analog 5.1

PCM Stereo - sound from 2 speakers
DTS 5.1 - sound from all speakers
Dolby TrueHD - sound from all speakers
DTS-HD Master Audio - sound from all speakers

Optical
PCM Stereo - amp enters DPL II decoding mode (i.e. receives stereo audio)
DTS 5.1 - amp enters DTS decoding mode for 5.1ch output
Dolby TrueHD - amp enters DPL II decoding mode (i.e. receives stereo audio)
DTS-HD Master Audio - amp enters DTS decoding mode for 5.1ch output

Note: it clearly states DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1ch (96kHz/24bit) in the rear cover infobox.

I won't pay a cent for UHD Blu-rays made from 2K masters by upscaling.
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Ok let me ask.

A1 hooked to reciever threw digital coaxial cable decoded to DTS vrs 5.1 analog to the reciever listening to True HD.

How much better does it really sound? Is it a night and day kind of difference or something much much more subtle?


Also, is it worth it to spend $90 on the cables from http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/6channel/index.htm

Or will the cheapest cables I can find some just as good?

I would go with Monoprice, good quality and a great price
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Ouahou that's good news pteittinen !

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Got some news about 2.0 audio decoding you folks might find interesting.

I've got a Japanese HD DVD which has four audio tracks: PCM stereo, DTS 5.1 (96k/24bit), Dolby TrueHD 5.1 (96k/24bit) and DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 (96k/24bit).

My XA1 is connected to a Pioneer VSA-AX10 receiver with both 5.1 analog and an optical cable. Did some testing, and here are the results:

Analog 5.1

PCM Stereo - sound from 2 speakers
DTS 5.1 - sound from all speakers
Dolby TrueHD - sound from all speakers
DTS-HD Master Audio - sound from all speakers

Optical
PCM Stereo - amp enters DPL II decoding mode (i.e. receives stereo audio)
DTS 5.1 - amp enters DTS decoding mode for 5.1ch output
Dolby TrueHD - amp enters DPL II decoding mode (i.e. receives stereo audio)
DTS-HD Master Audio - amp enters DTS decoding mode for 5.1ch output

Note: it clearly states DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1ch (96kHz/24bit) in the rear cover infobox.

Any perceived difference between the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA tracks? How did they sound on their own merits?
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I usually just ask William.

I just take what he posts completely out of context and then falsely present what he says for everyone to see.
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Downloading....

FYI the unofficial file is on page 29.

Will report back with results....first time updating the firmware for me...1.3-2.0
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You'll be happy - I'm running it in 720p right now and it's PERFECT.

does it look better than 1080i for you?
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Before the upgrade if you selected a DTS-HD track did you receive a warning screen similar to the TrueHD screen? If not how do you know for sure you are getting true DTS-HD or Master and not core only?
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In the docs it says that the HD-A1 can play DTS-HD Master Audio, but only by extracting the core DTS data.

I wonder if this is what's happening - the player is just decoding the lossy DTS data versus playing back the actual lossless data.

Possible, maybe even likely.

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Is there any audible difference between the DTS and the DTS-HD MA when playing back over analog?

Didn't listen for any difference yet, rushed to type in the post. Will check for differences next.

I won't pay a cent for UHD Blu-rays made from 2K masters by upscaling.
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I downgraded to 1.3 from 1.4 (put the disc in) - same problems.
Updated back to 1.4 for a bit.
Found a 1.2 disc - burned and downgraded to that - same problems.
Went back to 1.4 again.
Am now on 2.0 (the leaked one).

So yeah, you can bounce up and down, but I'm not sure if that will solve your problems.

Indeed, when the 'official' 2.0 appears I'll probably put my 1.3 disc in, update my player to that and then use the internet update to go to the officially released 2.0 before I render any judgement on the whole "skipping" problem.

I haven't had any skips yet with 2.0 leaked but still - am also optimistic that this is a beta and that the final version has some more fixes in it.


Figures. Ah well...the idea made me feel better for a couple of seconds.

I'll just wait for the official 2.0 release, give it a whirl, and then see what comes of that...

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Before the upgrade if you selected a DTS-HD track did you receive a warning screen similar to the TrueHD screen?

No.

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If not how do you know for sure you are getting true DTS-HD or Master and not core only?

I don't, simple as that.

Oh, hang on, were you asking me, or just anyone in particular?

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How come we can't see the content on the firmware image when opened with a ISO/BIN viewer?
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