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According to Hi-def Digest, Happy Gilmore is a HD15. http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/happygilmore.html

If that's the case, I'm guess the extra 2GB or so of space that is left on titles like King Kong is so they can use the same encode for the eventual Europe release which would presumably have a few more language tracks that the English/French needed for the US/Canada market.


Happy Gilmore is an HD-30. Highdefdigest is wrong.
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Ignore the info tool layers part, just to show the drive and size again .

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I wonder why the case claims it's an HD-30...
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I wonder why the case claims it's an HD-30...

According to that screengrab, it is.

Thus I conclude that 30 GB is about 30000000000 bytes, and 15 GB is about 15000000000 bytes.


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12 Monkeys: Video Rate: 20.999 Mbps
2 Fast 2 Furious: Video Rate: 21.999 Mbps
The Adventures Of Robin Hood: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
Apollo 13: Video Rate: 21.999 Mbps
Blazing Saddles: Video Rate: 26.499 Mbps
Caddyshack:Video Rate: 26.999 Mbps
Constantine: Video Rate: 18.999 Mbps
Corpse Bride: Video Rate: 25.499 Mbps
The Dirty Dozen: Video Rate: 24.999 Mbps
End Of Days: Video Rate: 22.249 Mbps
Excalibur: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
Fast Times At Ridgemont High: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
The Fast And The Furious: Video Rate: 19.999 Mbps
Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas: Video Rate: 20.999 Mbps
The Fugitive: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Grand Prix: Video Rate: 23.599 Mbps
Happy Gilmore: Video Rate: 25.499 Mbps
The Italian Job: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
King Kong: Video Rate: 23.499 Mbps
The Last Samurai: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
The Manchurian Candidate: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
The Polar Express: Video Rate: 22.999 Mbps
Ray: Video Rate: 24.999 Mbps
Seabiscuit: Video Rate: 23.499 Mbps
The Searchers: Video Rate: 27.499 Mbps
Serenity: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Swordfish: Video Rate: 26.499 Mbps
The Thing: 20.999 Mbps
Tomb Raider: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Training Day: Video Rate: 22.999 Mbps
U2 - Rattle & Hum: Video Rate: 25.499 Mbps
U-571: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Under Siege: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
Unforgiven: Video Rate: 23.499 Mbps
Van Helsing: Video Rate: 24.999 Mbps
Waterworld: Video Rate: 20.999 Mbps
We Were Soldiers: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps

Cool. Did you just use an Excel database or something?
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I wonder why the case claims it's an HD-30...

All you have to do is look on the underside of the disc. I did and it had 2 UPC symbols. One for each layer. So, it is a 30GB disc.
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These came to me in a dream....spooky

Thanks. Those look like peak bitrates and it would be interesting to see the averages also. Not sure if there is an easy way to get those though.

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These came to me in a dream....spooky

12 Monkeys: Video Rate: 20.999 Mbps
2 Fast 2 Furious: Video Rate: 21.999 Mbps
The Adventures Of Robin Hood: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
Apollo 13: Video Rate: 21.999 Mbps
Blazing Saddles: Video Rate: 26.499 Mbps
Caddyshack:Video Rate: 26.999 Mbps
Constantine: Video Rate: 18.999 Mbps
Corpse Bride: Video Rate: 25.499 Mbps
The Dirty Dozen: Video Rate: 24.999 Mbps
End Of Days: Video Rate: 22.249 Mbps
Excalibur: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
Fast Times At Ridgemont High: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
The Fast And The Furious: Video Rate: 19.999 Mbps
Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas: Video Rate: 20.999 Mbps
The Fugitive: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Grand Prix: Video Rate: 23.599 Mbps
Happy Gilmore: Video Rate: 25.499 Mbps
The Italian Job: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
King Kong: Video Rate: 23.499 Mbps
The Last Samurai: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
The Manchurian Candidate: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
The Polar Express: Video Rate: 22.999 Mbps
Ray: Video Rate: 24.999 Mbps
Seabiscuit: Video Rate: 23.499 Mbps
The Searchers: Video Rate: 27.499 Mbps
Serenity: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Swordfish: Video Rate: 26.499 Mbps
The Thing: 20.999 Mbps
Tomb Raider: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Training Day: Video Rate: 22.999 Mbps
U2 - Rattle & Hum: Video Rate: 25.499 Mbps
U-571: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Under Siege: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
Unforgiven: Video Rate: 23.499 Mbps
Van Helsing: Video Rate: 24.999 Mbps
Waterworld: Video Rate: 20.999 Mbps
We Were Soldiers: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps

those are peaks, much appreciated but we need averages if someone can

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Casablanca: 22.4 GB - 24 411 897 856 bytes

I put the complete list so far in the first post.
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probably one of the reasons they didn't put DolbyTrueHD on KingKong

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This is the exact reason why I have been on the Blu Ray camp since the beginning. I have become more neutral because of the shortcomings of both sides, but ultimately, Blu Ray is the technically superior format which, in cases with longer movies, could yield quality advantages. Having more bandwidth and storage is useful...
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...You need to find out what the size of the movie by itself is, excluding the extra features and menus and so forth. And even then that bitrate would include all of the audio tracks.

Yes you can find the two or so big .evo files that contain the main feature with audio tracks included. DD+ and dts would be fixed bitrate at rates (640 kbps for Warner DD+, 1.5Mbps for Universal, etc). TrueHD would be harder to figure since it is not fixed bitrate. And then there is the IME/U-Control HDi stuff -- how much of that is in the big .evo files, I don't know.

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Thus I conclude that 30 GB is about 30000000000 bytes, and 15 GB is about 15000000000 bytes.

Correct - the compression world has long used the SI power-of-ten numbers. The power of two (1024 intead of 1000) numbers are an incorrect shorthand.

The reported "GB" sizes in XP are really "GiB" as described here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix
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Chronicles of Riddick: 26.3 GB - 28 246 081 536

P.S. The FEATURE_1.EVO and FEATURE_2.EVO files total 20.52 GB. I assume these are the main movie files.
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I would too, but I can't test that.



HD 45 is vapourware. HD 60 is just a pipe dream.


As someone else said, sometimes they're just gonna use whatever's available.

HD60 is not a Pipe dream and may appear prior to TL45... Though I am guessing HD45 will show up first.

This is something BD can't do and thats have Video layers on the back side. Its why they can't make a combo. So HD60 would be four layers, two on each side. Since they can already do DVD-9 on the opposite side and HD-DVD and DVD have the same characteristics for their layers. So you could have DL/SL and DL/DL. The only thing that might be an issue would be TL/TL due to disc thickness. In fact we might not see a HD-TL/DVD9 or even DVD-5 Combo for this very reason.

Edit: King Kong restrictions I think are over Blown. I would like to get statistics on the other extras for KK I am willing to bet it those were on another disc (or the back as meantioned above) they could have done more. For example They could have provided TrueHD and a 640k DD+ track. Universal is not sold on TrueHD, while Warner is. We may never get a TrueHD track because they think that the quality of their higher Bitrate version of DD+ is comparable. Remember warner uses a 640 track for all their DD+ tracks Universal doesn't. This might even be why people think that their is more fidelity with TrueHD, because Warner uses a track almost 1/3 the bandwidth of Universal.
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The only thing that might be an issue would be TL/TL due to disc thickness. In fact we might not see a HD-TL/DVD9 or even DVD-5 Combo for this very reason.

I agree and have been guessing at the same thing. I think this is the reason the HD camp isnt pushing TL45's because they would lose there precious combo disks that nobody wants anyway
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I would rather have 2 DL or 1 DL for movie and 1SL for extras than a flipper. I just don;t like them and found that the other side always gets damaged. 2 discs might also be cheaper than 2 sider.

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so we have a 2.40:1 movie King Kong coming in at 27.4GB
we have another 2.40:1 movie MI:3 coming in at 26.7GB

both have equal extras on disc and both have DD+ with Spanish,French and English

basically identical discs layout.....

but King Kong is over 1 hour longer, 62 mins to be exact, this is exactly why KK is the first HD-DVD that I have seen artifacts present

3+ hours for a 30GB is too much IMHO

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segwaying back to microsoft - I've been reading and soposivly (through their "Video Marketplace") people are downloading movies at a much lower capacity then people are listing here. A prime example is "V for Vendetta" ranking in at a 7.1 GB range. Would this be contributed to them being primarily 720P resolution. Could anyone explain??
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P.S. - is there any way to compress the files to save disk space without major loses in overall quality??
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segwaying back to microsoft - I've been reading and soposivly (through their "Video Marketplace") people are downloading movies at a much lower capacity then people are listing here. A prime example is "V for Vendetta" ranking in at a 7.1 GB range. Would this be contributed to them being primarily 720P resolution. Could anyone explain??

soposivly?

V for Vendetta is 7 GB cuz it's 720p and a lower quality encode as well. HD DVD provides significantly better quality overall (not just due to the higher 1080p resolution).

However, reports are that Microsoft's downloads are pretty good nonetheless... that is if you can stand the über long download times and the cost for rental.
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K I'm the new guy to the A/V stuff so...

1) what VIDEO codec should I be using to:
A) Compress and play back SD video (.vob) files on the Tvix 4000?
B) Compress and play back HD video files on the Tvix 4000?
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Jarhead is 24.7 GB - 26 563 248 128 bytes.

I note that the HDDVD_TS folder itself is only 22.2 GB - 23 874 363 392 bytes. Where is the extra 2.5 GB? I note that the AACS stuff etc. only seems to be something like 40 MB.
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Where is the extra 2.5 GB?

Yes, I see the same thing. I wonder if it is a allocated on disc versus actual file content size issue? The HVDVD_TS folder has 51 objects in it. Or are there hidden files that Windows Explorer can not show? I do have Windows Explorer set to show everything.
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Hey...just for the hell of it, does anyone have the same info for any of these titles on BD? I would be curious to see that...
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Some people just will never be happy or can be satisfied.

And some people just will not let go!
He sure does have a King Kong grip on that title being flawed. Even though, no one else see's it. It's even clouded his vision to the point where now 30GB isn't BIG enough for a "King" sized movie. At least Blu-blood's will agree with him there!

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King Kong restrictions I think are over Blown. I would like to get statistics on the other extras for KK I am willing to bet it those were on another disc (or the back as meantioned above) they could have done more. For example They could have provided TrueHD and a 640k DD+ track. Universal is not sold on TrueHD, while Warner is. We may never get a TrueHD track because they think that the quality of their higher Bitrate version of DD+ is comparable. Remember warner uses a 640 track for all their DD+ tracks Universal doesn't. This might even be why people think that their is more fidelity with TrueHD, because Warner uses a track almost 1/3 the bandwidth of Universal.

I've been trying to figure out for like two months if Kong has no lossless because of a studio decision or disc space.
Anything you or anyone else can add to clear that up would be greatly appreciated.
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If anyone with PC size-viewing capability can tell us the size of Hulk I'd be interested. We have a theory that they skimped on the TruHD track (although it has a stunning 1.5mbit DD+ track from all accounts) in order to give it the superior PQ everyone talks about - I'm guessing it's maxed out but I'd like that confirmed ifsomeone gets the chance...
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If anyone with PC size-viewing capability can tell us the size of Hulk I'd be interested. We have a theory that they skimped on the TruHD track (although it has a stunning 1.5mbit DD+ track from all accounts) in order to give it the superior PQ everyone talks about - I'm guessing it's maxed out but I'd like that confirmed ifsomeone gets the chance...

Note that maxing out the disc doesn't mean that's necessarily the reason there's no TrueHD track.

Heck, The Searchers is 27.8 GB, but only has a DD+ 1.0 track.

OTOH, Batman Begins is 3 GB smaller, is 21 minutes longer, and has both DD+ 5.1 and TrueHD tracks.
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12 Monkeys: Video Rate: 20.999 Mbps
2 Fast 2 Furious: Video Rate: 21.999 Mbps
The Adventures Of Robin Hood: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
Apollo 13: Video Rate: 21.999 Mbps
Blazing Saddles: Video Rate: 26.499 Mbps
Caddyshack:Video Rate: 26.999 Mbps
Constantine: Video Rate: 18.999 Mbps
Corpse Bride: Video Rate: 25.499 Mbps
The Dirty Dozen: Video Rate: 24.999 Mbps
End Of Days: Video Rate: 22.249 Mbps
Excalibur: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
Fast Times At Ridgemont High: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
The Fast And The Furious: Video Rate: 19.999 Mbps
Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas: Video Rate: 20.999 Mbps
The Fugitive: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Grand Prix: Video Rate: 23.599 Mbps
Happy Gilmore: Video Rate: 25.499 Mbps
The Italian Job: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
King Kong: Video Rate: 23.499 Mbps
The Last Samurai: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
The Manchurian Candidate: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
The Polar Express: Video Rate: 22.999 Mbps
Ray: Video Rate: 24.999 Mbps
Seabiscuit: Video Rate: 23.499 Mbps
The Searchers: Video Rate: 27.499 Mbps
Serenity: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Swordfish: Video Rate: 26.499 Mbps
The Thing: 20.999 Mbps
Tomb Raider: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Training Day: Video Rate: 22.999 Mbps
U2 - Rattle & Hum: Video Rate: 25.499 Mbps
U-571: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps
Under Siege: Video Rate: 25.999 Mbps
Unforgiven: Video Rate: 23.499 Mbps
Van Helsing: Video Rate: 24.999 Mbps
Waterworld: Video Rate: 20.999 Mbps
We Were Soldiers: Video Rate: 24.000 Mbps

Is King Kongs peak bitrate 23.49 because of the Dolby Digital Plus audio which is at least 3.0Mbps on HD-DVD according to the Dolby DIgital website?

Dolby Digital Plus at least 3.0Mbps on HD-DVD

So the peak video bitrate is around 20Mbps?
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According to amirm, the bitrate meters on most consumer HD playback software or standalone players are unreliable.

P.S. Now that Vista is officially out, I suspect more people will have access to computers (with the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive plugged-in) that can measure disc size.

I've recently installed Vista on my MacBook so I will do some more testing now. (I had the Vista beta installed before temporarily.)
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Word of advice: all of the bitrates listed in this thread are meaningless. They were calculated based on the size of the whole disc instead of the size of the movie by itself.

And if you are looking for PEAK bitrates there really is no easy way to find that out right now. The only ways I can think of are watching the movie with a bitrate meter turned on and seeing how high it goes. Or using software to analyze the stream. The latter would probably require you to break the encryption first and hence it would be illegal.


You mean if you use the drive(HD-DVD addon) on a PC and play a movie through windows mdeia player and click on the right button on the mouse and click statistics that's not good enough? It does tell you the bitrate real-time..

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