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So when it comes to redbook playback, how does the Sony SCD-XA5400ES compare to the Cambridge Audio azur 840C?
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... Cant we just enjoy the gear and move past this extremely lame old argument ...

Sure you can and we can but people keep posting that their new player is so marvelously and audibly different from another player. Obviously they are not just enjoying their player but invoking audibility claims.
If they just state something like how much one enjoys that player, period, not much to question and debate, no?
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So when it comes to redbook playback, how does the Sony SCD-XA5400ES compare to the Cambridge Audio azur 840C?

Honestly have no idea. I have never listened to the caambridge. I will say that I was very pleased with how the sony does play redbook on my system. The bulk of my cd collection is redbook and will always be. I wanted something that I would allow me to still be able to enjoy my whole collection and the sony fills the bill quite nicely.
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Don't you think you should've compared two 5400 (one new and the other broken-in) to see if break-in makes audible difference or not?

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So when it comes to redbook playback, how does the Sony SCD-XA5400ES compare to the Cambridge Audio azur 840C?

Elsewhere on this site is a review by a person who owns both and he claims the 5400 blows the Cambridge away. He also state the 5400 blows his 6k Arye away too.
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Well, perhaps you didn't know those details because you forgot about them. The mind is like that about small details, short memory.

I have mastered several musical instruments, and I have noticed old, familiar details that I have never noticed before as I have upgraded over the years. Details that are familiar to me as an instrumentalist, but new to me on old, familiar recordings.

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I have mastered several musical instruments, and I have noticed old, familiar details that I have never noticed before as I have upgraded over the years. Details that are familiar to me as an instrumentalist, but new to me on old, familiar recordings.

Again, unless you listened under bias controls, levels matched, you have no idea what the audible differences are between components, period. Musicians do not do better at DBT, neither do conductors, etc.
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I have mastered several musical instruments, and I have noticed old, familiar details that I have never noticed before as I have upgraded over the years. Details that are familiar to me as an instrumentalist, but new to me on old, familiar recordings.

I know what you mean. I think that is a really nice benifit of upgrading.
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I know what you mean.

What about what CharlesJ posted (#39)?
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noticed a review of the 5400es in one of the english mags. hifi choice think it is. worth a read if after another opinion and has some good comparison between a range of players

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Kal certainly seemed to like it:

http://www.stereophile.com/musicinth...36/index1.html
In which he compares to Denon 3910 and Sony SCD-XA9000ES

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...comparing the Oppo's (BDP-83 Beta) playing of two-channel SACDs with that of the Sony SCD-XA5400ES, I could hear that the Oppo can't compete with the better dedicated players. The Sony is just so much more delicate in its delineations, while giving away nothing in dynamic subtlety or range. By analogy to video, the Oppo's audio performance is like good video performance with a little too much contrast. Using the Oppo's HDMI output for audio, the gap in performance between the BDP-83 and its predecessors, or the Sony, narrowed but remained.

http://www.stereophile.com/musicinth...37/index2.html

Dunno if he's done any subsequent comparison with the Oppo non-Beta or SE version.
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noticed a review of the 5400es in one of the english mags. hifi choice think it is. worth a read if after another opinion and has some good comparison between a range of players

I tried to find the review on line but was unable to. I would be interested in finding out what was found. I did read quite a few articles on the sony before I bought mine and most were actually very favorable.
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Kal certainly seemed to like it:

http://www.stereophile.com/musicinth...36/index1.html
In which he compares to Denon 3910 and Sony SCD-XA9000ES

Followed up with:

http://www.stereophile.com/musicinth...37/index2.html

Dunno if he's done any subsequent comparison with the Oppo non-Beta or SE version.

I read this review and was one of the reasons I bought the sony.
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What about what CharlesJ posted (#39)?

And destroy one's belief system?
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And destroy one's belief system?

I was just wondering if he knows what you mean.
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I tried to find the review on line but was unable to. I would be interested in finding out what was found. I did read quite a few articles on the sony before I bought mine and most were actually very favorable.

a current edition so perhaps why not online. I did have a bit of a flick through at the news agents and it said somethign about the top end or bottom end I cant remember but a good plaeyr overall. we dotn actually get this player in my country hence didnt read much more into the review. I am a 9000es owner though and have much loved it over the years. perhaps the 5400es something for the bedroom system if could get hold of one somehow ! hehe

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Dunno if he's done any subsequent comparison with the Oppo non-Beta or SE version.

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I was just wondering if he knows what you mean.

I believe I understand what you mean as well as your position. I just don't see anything constructive coming from any further discussion with either of you on this subject. My belief system includes keeping an open mind and respecting others opinions including yours.
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I believe I understand what you mean as well as your position. I just don't see anything constructive coming from any further discussion with either of you on this subject. My belief system includes keeping an open mind and respecting others opinions including yours.

You can believe so but something tells me you are not getting my point. Say, person "A" tells you that use of speaker cable with thin strands individually insulated (i.e. Litz wire) reduces skin-effect of signal so that you get a better phase coherence. Then person "B" tells you that it's only a relevant issue in frequencies way above audio band such as microwave transmission and it doesn't come into play when designing speaker cables. In this case, what person "B" told you nullifies what person "A" said. Then should you continue to be open minded about skin-effect's role in speaker cable?
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You can believe so but something tells me you are not getting my point.

hey geek......you're the one who really dosen't get it ! Did it ever occur to you that the OP is not interested in your DBT, level matching, bias testing approach to everything (btw, I tend to agree with most of what you and the other self proclaimed wizards of all things audio suscribe to) , rather he just wants to have discussion regarding his CDP descission.

So if the notion of psychoacoustics played any part, big freakin deal, it is part of the equation after all. So do us all a favor...........don't try and derail every thread that comes up like this, if you must, make your little 'geek' comment and if you can't stay with the theme of the OP's thread, move on !
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hey geek......you're the one who really dosen't get it ! Did it ever occur to you that the OP is not interested in your DBT, level matching, bias testing approach to everything (btw, I tend to agree with most of what you and the other self proclaimed wizards of all things audio suscribe to) , rather he just wants to have discussion regarding his CDP descission.

So if the notion of psychoacoustics played any part, big freakin deal, it is part of the equation after all. So do us all a favor...........don't try and derail every thread that comes up like this, if you must, make your little 'geek' comment and if you can't stay with the theme of the OP's thread, move on !

It seems that you don't get this forum.
It's called exchange of info, not "derail every thread that comes up". You only see it that way because forums like Audio Asylum is what you really prefer. Do yourself a favor, check them out.
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It seems that you don't get this forum.
It's called exchange of info, not "derail every thread that comes up".

go back and read your post's for in every instance all you do is chime in with your same old 'song and dance' (as I stated before) knowing full well that the mod's of this forum obviously don't read and or care about keeping things civil.

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You only see it that way because forums like Audio Asylum is what you really prefer. Do yourself a favor, check them out.

LOL !! another one of your 'standard replys', you need to come up with some new material !


My apologies to the Op, I did not intend to derail your thread so I will discontinue any further rebuttals with this particular 'troll geek'
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go back and read your post's for in every instance all you do is chime in with your same old 'song and dance' (as I stated before) knowing full well that the mod's of this forum obviously don't read and or care about keeping things civil.

If you can only see it as same old 'song and dance', you really need to read up on technicality of CDP. It will be good old song and dance.

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LOL !! another one of your 'standard replys', you need to come up with some new material !

CDP technology is a matured field. Not much of audible improvements are going to come up if at all for your viewing pleasure. Though, there are new snake oil coming out if that's what you desire.

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My apologies to the Op, I did not intend to derail your thread so I will discontinue any further rebuttals with this particular 'troll geek'

If you have something to contribute, feel free. But name calling doesn't count as one.
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. My belief system includes keeping an open mind ....

Carl Sagan had an interesting word or two about this at one of his lectures in 1987 in Pasadena.

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... Did it ever occur to you that the OP is not interested in your DBT, level matching, bias testing approach to everything (btw, I tend to agree with most of what you and the other self proclaimed wizards of all things audio suscribe to) , rather he just wants to have discussion regarding his CDP descission.

He may not be interested but without discussing this issue discussing anything audible issues is really meaningless, really. One can discuss player price, capability, reliability and if it meets ones needs, etc.

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...So if the notion of psychoacoustics played any part, big freakin deal,

Then you are missing the whole issue fo sound and what one thinks they are hearing or not. And, it is meaningless to another as their imagination may be very different.


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... all you do is chime in with your same old 'song and dance'

You could say the same about a math teacher, no???After all, 2+2 will be the same today and tomorrow and back in time.
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Carl Sagan had an interesting word or two about this at one of his lectures in 1987 in Pasadena.



He may not be interested but without discussing this issue discussing anything audible issues is really meaningless, really. One can discuss player price, capability, reliability and if it meets ones needs, etc.



Then you are missing the whole issue fo sound and what one thinks they are hearing or not. And, it is meaningless to another as their imagination may be very different.




You could say the same about a math teacher, no???After all, 2+2 will be the same today and tomorrow and back in time.

You really don't need blind testing to hear subtleties in familiar recordings that you did not know existed until you heard the 5400. Blind testing has its place for maybe comparing amps, but with the 5400, it was immediately apparent to my ears that this unit was something special. I have actually, been in another room and heard sounds in certain CDs played on the 5400 that astonished me. To borrow from Kal Rubinson, the 5400 is a "revelation." It is really difficult for me to articulate the other sonic traits I hear; organic, rythmic drive, speed, I don't know. But, I can say the 5400 has stopped me from playing any other digital sources, and it has me listening to music again.
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