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Record Player Hookup to Amp?

Greetings all, I have a Feir record player:
https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Turn...-1-spons&psc=1

I am wondering if I can hook up an external amp to it to get better quality sound. It has 2 built in speakers but they are very small and not good sound quality. The record player has a line out and Aux in option. Just need a 2 channel amp, something small and cheap.

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Greetings all, I have a Feir record player:
https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Turn...-1-spons&psc=1

I am wondering if I can hook up an external amp to it to get better quality sound. It has 2 built in speakers but they are very small and not good sound quality. The record player has a line out and Aux in option. Just need a 2 channel amp, something small and cheap.

Thanks all!
1) You COULD connect L/R (White/Red) RCA Output Jacks on Back of Record Player to a pair of Powered Computer Speakers [with 3.5-mm Tip/Ring/Sleeve Male Jack], using fol. Adapter Cable:
https://www.amazon.com/MOCREO-Splitt.../dp/B015J4OKZW

2) You COULD connect to your choice of a SOUNDBAR or MINI-SOUNDBAR, such as fol. examples (there are MANY to chose from):
https://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-SB2920-.../dp/B00SMBFZNG
https://www.amazon.com/Soundbar-Spea.../dp/B07KXGZCPP

3) Or you COULD connect to an inexpensive Mini-Amp driving your choice of Speakers (works with ALL impedances, you may already have a pair you could use). My FAV Class-D Amplifier CHIP is the Texas Inst. TPA3116D2, which is available in a variety of different products, depending on which bells and whistles suits your fancy [e.g. Bass & Treble...and/or Bluetooth Receive]. Here's info on the CHIP, which provides Audiophile Quality Sound, followed by a selection of products that include Bass/Treble Controls:
ww.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tpa3116d2.pdf
https://www.amazon.com/Nobsound-TPA3.../dp/B074J9X3P5 [$57, 2x50W+100W Sub-Woofer, Bass/Treble]
https://www.amazon.com/Nobsound-Digi.../dp/B07QGF18KZ [$65, 2x50W, Bass/Treble, Bluetooth, R/C]
https://www.amazon.com/Nobsound-Blue.../dp/B07NY19148 [$70, 2x50W, Bass/Treble, Bluetooth]

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1) You COULD connect L/R (White/Red) RCA Output Jacks on Back of Record Player to a pair of Powered Computer Speakers [with 3.5-mm Tip/Ring/Sleeve Male Jack], using fol. Adapter Cable:
https://www.amazon.com/MOCREO-Splitt.../dp/B015J4OKZW

2) You COULD connect to your choice of a SOUNDBAR or MINI-SOUNDBAR, such as fol. examples (there are MANY to chose from):
https://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-SB2920-.../dp/B00SMBFZNG
https://www.amazon.com/Soundbar-Spea.../dp/B07KXGZCPP

3) Or you COULD connect to an inexpensive Mini-Amp driving your choice of Speakers (works with ALL impedances, you may already have a pair you could use). My FAV Class-D Amplifier CHIP is the Texas Inst. TPA3116D2, which is available in a variety of different products, depending on which bells and whistles suits your fancy [e.g. Bass & Treble...and/or Bluetooth Receive]. Here's info on the CHIP, which provides Audiophile Quality Sound, followed by a selection of products that include Bass/Treble Controls:
ww.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tpa3116d2.pdf
https://www.amazon.com/Nobsound-TPA3.../dp/B074J9X3P5 [$57, 2x50W+100W Sub-Woofer, Bass/Treble]
https://www.amazon.com/Nobsound-Blue.../dp/B07NY19148 [$70, 2x50W, Bass/Treble, Bluetooth]
I like the last idea. So, even though there's apparently some sort of amp or preamp inside the record player, using a mini-amp can still work? Would the speakers then be powered by the mini amp?

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Yes, the Mini-Amp would power the Speakers [bigger is better] and you would use the Mini-Amp's Volume Control to adjust Sound Level [only one of the above supports Remote Control]. You should also turn the Record Player's Volume Control all the way down. FYI: The Output of the Moving-Magnet Phono Cartridge/Stylus goes thru a built-in Phono Preamp to drive the LINE-OUT RCA Jacks as well as the Input of the Built-In Amplifier:
https://helptochoose.com/compare-turntables/tp204

Congratulations....you have avoided buying a similar product with a Ceramic Phono Cartridge...which do NOT require a Phono Preamp, but due to their much higher Tracking Force, have a reputation for ruining expensive Vinyl Records....

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Yes, the Mini-Amp would power the Speakers [bigger is better] and you would use the Mini-Amp's Volume Control to adjust Sound Level [only one of the above supports Remote Control]. You should also turn the Record Player's Volume Control all the way down. FYI: The Output of the Moving-Magnet Phono Cartridge/Stylus goes thru a built-in Phono Preamp to drive the LINE-OUT RCA Jacks as well as the Input of the Built-In Amplifier:
https://helptochoose.com/compare-turntables/tp204

Congratulations....you have avoided buying a similar product with a Ceramic Phono Cartridge...which do NOT require a Phono Preamp, but due to their much higher Tracking Force, have a reputation for ruining expensive Vinyl Records....
So I did good when buying that turn table yes?

Thanks for the info. Let me throw something else at you if I may. The speakers that I have are computer speakers. So an Aux cord only. Could I use an Aux to speaker wire adapter or some other kind of Aux Adapter to get the speakers to the mini-amp?

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If your computer speakers are powered by their own built-in
Amplifier you won't be able to add an external amp to power them.

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If you want to use your existing Computer Speakers, simply buy the Adapter Cable I identified earlier (option #1 ).....it connects the L/R RCA Female Jacks on the Back of the Record Player to the 3.5-mm Male Stereo Jack going to the Computer Speakers.

Since Computer Speakers have an Amplifier built into them, there is no need to drive them from a separate Mini-Amp.

OTOH: If you WANTED to drive the Speakers INSIDE your Computer Speakers with the more powerful Mini-Amp, you would have to figure out HOW to get into the Computer Speakers and REWIRE them for direct connect to the internal Speakers....which I do NOT recommend you do....it also is potentially dangerous due to High-Voltages. However, the tiny speakers in most Computer Speakers would be WAY TOO SMALL to take advantage of the Mini-Amp's Higher Power....so again, I do NOT recommend this alternative....

So, if you WANT to take advantage of the Mini-Amps Higher Power (and lower Distortion), you would be better off buying or re-purposing a set of Conventional Speakers (i.e. NOT Powered). IF you are interested in this alternative, it would help if you could tell us how much you would want to spend for a Pair of Speakers and how BIG [probably Bookshelf size???].

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If you want to use your existing Computer Speakers, simply buy the Adapter Cable I identified earlier (option #1 ).....it connects the L/R RCA Female Jacks on the Back of the Record Player to the 3.5-mm Male Stereo Jack going to the Computer Speakers.

Since Computer Speakers have an Amplifier built into them, there is no need to drive them from a separate Mini-Amp.

OTOH: If you WANTED to drive the Speakers INSIDE your Computer Speakers with the more powerful Mini-Amp, you would have to figure out HOW to get into the Computer Speakers and REWIRE them for direct connect to the internal Speakers....which I do NOT recommend you do....it also is potentially dangerous due to High-Voltages. However, the tiny speakers in most Computer Speakers would be WAY TOO SMALL to take advantage of the Mini-Amp's Higher Power....so again, I do NOT recommend this alternative....

So, if you WANT to take advantage of the Mini-Amps Higher Power (and lower Distortion), you would be better off buying or re-purposing a set of Conventional Speakers (i.e. NOT Powered). IF you are interested in this alternative, it would help if you could tell us how much you would want to spend for a Pair of Speakers and how BIG [probably Bookshelf size???].
Yeah I am definitely wanting to go this route. The amp inside the record player just does not have enough juice. I tried hooking the computer speakers straight to the player with the Aux cord and the sound quality was the same, just a little louder. The sub seemed like it was not even firing. Would using the RCA line outs from the player change that at all?

As far as speakers go for the external amp. I would not want to spend more than $100. I don't need low bass but something that lets me know when the bass guitar and drums are there. A 2.1 would be ideal but probably not realistic with a $100 budget.


Would spending $100 on one tower speaker be ideal and sound great? Thanks!


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There are SO many smallish speakers for sale and I have no patience [or pressing NEED] to listen to ALL of this years's offerings....so all I can do is to point out a few "Bargains" I see on-line...

Spending your available $100 on just ONE speaker NOW, with plans to buy a matching second one later...and likely another $100-200 for a Sub-Woofer is a good plan....

If you want BASS NOW, I would recommend you look at either a speaker with an 8+ inch Woofer....or a Tower with a PAIR of 6.5-in Woofers, such as: [All of fol. include FREE S/H]

https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-.../dp/B00Q3MG05S [$100/PAIR, Two 6.5-in Woofers fm Dayton Audio]
PS: I do NOT recommend Parts Express $105 bundle incl. Lepai LP-2020TI Class-D Mini-Amp (using TA2020 CHIP)....it only provides 12-15 Watts into 4-ohms: http://www.e-ele.net/DataSheet/TA2020.pdf

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...eeter--300-654 [$120/PAIR, Two 6.5-in Woofers + AMT Tweeter fm Dayton Audio]
https://www.parts-express.com/yamaha...-pair--312-606 [$129/PAIR, 8-in Woofer fm Yamaha]

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS.../dp/B008NCD2S4 [$100 EACH, Three 5.25-in Woofers fm Pioneer]
https://www.amazon.com/Polk-T50-Thea.../dp/B013LIN5W2 [$105 EACH, Two 6.5-in Woofers plus Two 6.5-in Passive Radiators fm Polk]
https://www.parts-express.com/bic-ve...black--303-454 [$158 EACH, Two 8-in Woofers plus Two 8-in Passive Radiators fm Bic]

Numerous USED Speakers with 8, 10 or 12-in Woofers available on eBay....


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When you get to the point of looking for a Sub-Woofer, bear in mind that MOST include an especially tailored Amplifier and Hi-Level Crossover Filters in the S-W, so there is usually NO NEED for a separate S-W Amp (as a DIY S-W would require). You should make sure that the Sub-Woofer you choose includes HI-LEVEL connections FROM your Mini-Amp as well as back to your L/R Speakers, such as found in fol. $100 Monoprice 12-in SubWoofer....Filters in the S-W send Freqs below the Crossover Freq to the S-W's built-in Amp, while allowing ALL Freqs to pass onto the L/R Speakers [NOT usually Filtered to eliminate S-W Freqs...for THAT you need an AVR or a separate Filter]:
https://downloads.monoprice.com/file...ual_120919.pdf
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=9723
https://downloads.monoprice.com/file...ual_120919.pdf

Bear in mind that you COULD go ahead and BUY the 12-in Monoprice Sub-Woofer NOW....plus a PAIR of the Dayton Audio D-652 or D-652-Air Bookshelf Speakers...which use SAME Components as their Tower versions...except one vice two 6.5-in Woofers...which will deliver a LOT more BASS than a system missing the Sub-Woofer:
https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...-pair--300-652 [$28/PAIR On SALE, FREE S/H, One 6.5-in Woofer fm Dayton Audio]
https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...-pair--300-651 [$51/PAIR, FREE S/H, One 6.5-in Woofer fm Dayton Audio]
https://www.parts-express.com/cat/bookshelf-speakers/99 [Other Bookshelf Speakers From Parts Express]

BTW: Spending an extra $23 for the AMT version is well worth the extra cost. An Air Motion Transformer Tweeter is a more modern enhancement of Ribbon Tweeter technology, which provides a very flat Impedance Curve, Low Distortion, extended Frequency Response and fast Transient Response (due to low weight of the thin mylar diaphragm):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Motion_Transformer
http://www.hedd.audio/en/hedd-amt

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Thank you so much for your time and all the info. I did several tests today. I have some Beta 50 towers speakers(brought them up form my theater room) that have dual 8" drivers in them. I hooked my record player up to my external amp using Aux and Line Out(not at the same time) and then used speaker wire from the amp to the speakers. The highs sounded great but the mids were weak and the lows almost non existent.

I then hooked my mp3 player up to the amp and the sound was incredible(using the same songs).

I also hooked up my computer speakers to the Aux on the record player and the same quality of sound happened. I then hooked the same computer speakers up to my mp3 and again, it sounded great, night and day difference.

So at this point the weak link is the source ie. the record player, or am I completely overlooking something.

Are there any proven record players out there that can produce a full hZ range to either computer speakers or an external amp?

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There are SO many smallish speakers for sale and I have no patience [or pressing NEED] to listen to ALL of this years's offerings....so all I can do is to point out a few "Bargains" I see on-line...

Spending your available $100 on just ONE speaker NOW, with plans to buy a matching second one later...and likely another $100-200 for a Sub-Woofer is a good plan....

If you want BASS NOW, I would recommend you look at either a speaker with an 8+ inch Woofer....or a Tower with a PAIR of 6.5-in Woofers, such as: [All of fol. include FREE S/H]

https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-.../dp/B00Q3MG05S [$100/PAIR, Two 6.5-in Woofers fm Dayton Audio]
PS: I do NOT recommend Parts Express $105 bundle incl. Lepai LP-2020TI Class-D Mini-Amp (using TA2020 CHIP)....it only provides 12-15 Watts into 4-ohms: http://www.e-ele.net/DataSheet/TA2020.pdf

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...eeter--300-654 [$120/PAIR, Two 6.5-in Woofers + AMT Tweeter fm Dayton Audio]
https://www.parts-express.com/yamaha...-pair--312-606 [$129/PAIR, 8-in Woofer fm Yamaha]

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS.../dp/B008NCD2S4 [$100 EACH, Three 5.25-in Woofers fm Pioneer]
https://www.amazon.com/Polk-T50-Thea.../dp/B013LIN5W2 [$105 EACH, Two 6.5-in Woofers plus Two 6.5-in Passive Radiators fm Polk]
https://www.parts-express.com/bic-ve...black--303-454 [$158 EACH, Two 8-in Woofers plus Two 8-in Passive Radiators fm Bic]

Numerous USED Speakers with 8, 10 or 12-in Woofers available on eBay....


===============================================
When you get to the point of looking for a Sub-Woofer, bear in mind that MOST include an especially tailored Amplifier and Hi-Level Crossover Filters in the S-W, so there is usually NO NEED for a separate S-W Amp (as a DIY S-W would require). You should make sure that the Sub-Woofer you choose includes HI-LEVEL connections FROM your Mini-Amp as well as back to your L/R Speakers, such as found in fol. $100 Monoprice 12-in SubWoofer....Filters in the S-W send Freqs below the Crossover Freq to the S-W's built-in Amp, while allowing ALL Freqs to pass onto the L/R Speakers [NOT usually Filtered to eliminate S-W Freqs...for THAT you need an AVR or a separate Filter]:
https://downloads.monoprice.com/file...ual_120919.pdf
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=9723
https://downloads.monoprice.com/file...ual_120919.pdf

Bear in mind that you COULD go ahead and BUY the 12-in Monoprice Sub-Woofer NOW....plus a PAIR of the Dayton Audio D-652 or D-652-Air Bookshelf Speakers...which use SAME Components as their Tower versions...except one vice two 6.5-in Woofers...which will deliver a LOT more BASS than a system missing the Sub-Woofer:
https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...-pair--300-652 [$28/PAIR On SALE, FREE S/H, One 6.5-in Woofer fm Dayton Audio]
https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...-pair--300-651 [$51/PAIR, FREE S/H, One 6.5-in Woofer fm Dayton Audio]
https://www.parts-express.com/cat/bookshelf-speakers/99 [Other Bookshelf Speakers From Parts Express]

BTW: Spending an extra $23 for the AMT version is well worth the extra cost. An Air Motion Transformer Tweeter is a more modern enhancement of Ribbon Tweeter technology, which provides a very flat Impedance Curve, Low Distortion, extended Frequency Response and fast Transient Response (due to low weight of the thin mylar diaphragm):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Motion_Transformer
http://www.hedd.audio/en/hedd-amt

Does any external amp I get need to have a phono option? I was reading that maybe I should get an external phono preamp, but not sure If I can bypass the one inside the player or not.

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As I said earlier, since your Turntable reportedly has a Moving-Magnet Cartridge, it MUST already have a Built-In Phono Preamp to amplify its Low-Level Signals (and apply RIAA Frequency Response Filtering) to the Line-Level Signal found on the L/R (White/Red) RCA Jacks.
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As I said earlier, since your Turntable reportedly has a Moving-Magnet Cartridge, it MUST already have a Built-In Phono Preamp to amplify its Low-Level Signals (and apply RIAA Frequency Response Filtering) to the Line-Level Signal found on the L/R (White/Red) RCA Jacks.
Then I am forced to purchase another turn table then as, stated above, the mids are lacking and the lows are hardly there from the current turn table I have now(unless I am completely overlooking something.)


I was looking at the:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...KIKX0DER&psc=1

I am hoping that it puts out a good full sound to my computer speakers and be done. If it doesn't, I still have that amp and I would just purchase those Dayton bookshelves you linked earlier.

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