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If you added 4dB, why is the sub level lower than the mains level? And why are you setting the AVR to reference for your measurements? The guide specifically recommends limiting the measurement level to approx 90dB.

The sub measurement in your most recent post is different than the sub level in your previous post, specifically the roll-off above 70Hz. The 70-120Hz range is pretty important. Something you have done has resulted in this roll-off.
reference volume was just like the last two measurements, i will just load the final response before that which was at -8 (same as last time) , do a quick EQ in REW on it then upload to the mDSP then a quick 3 positiong audy then measure tomorrow, won't take more than 15 mins.


Also something which is very confusing to me are the individual/max boosts no idea where to set them at.

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Also something which is very confusing to me are the individual/max boosts no idea where to set them at.
Aren’t you simply running the REW EQ tool and accepting its recommendations?
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Aren’t you simply running the REW EQ tool and accepting its recommendations?
I am but i also once just wanted to see what they actually do in the response.

Also should we run the narrow filters below 200hz for subs in general?

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I am but i also once just wanted to see what they actually do in the response.

Also should we run the narrow filters below 200hz for subs in general?

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Sorry, don't know. Check the REW Help file to see if there is an explanation of what narrow filters do. I would experiment with this setting and observe its effect on the predicted response curve.
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Any general recommended house curve that i could try out? going to do this on the input side in my plug-in so it applies it to all my four subs at once. If it helps i watch movies around -9 to -10 vol on my avr usually. i turn it up to -5 for demos like once a month or so. thanks!

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There's a reason it's called a "house curve:" it's YOUR house.
In general (again, personal preference and YMMV), you have a curve adding output to the low end up to the capability of your sub(s).
If you usually add 5dB for demos, you might want to try a 5dB low shelf at 20Hz Q=0.7.
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What does your current response measure like at the main listening position? A house curve just alters the overall response, so depending on what your baseline is, it could be catastrophic.
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@Fackamato true! thanks for reminding me to check that out. I just ran REW (again) today and then had barely enough time to run Audyssey XT32 to calibrate everything, no more HT time today sadly. will check first thing tomorrow morning.

I am going to check subs only after the house curve in REW then subs+mains again with it. if it doesn't look too good then will stick to flat for now and just run my subs a few dbs hot.

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A house curve just alters the overall response
Actually, it should only have an effect on the lower bass, again, depending on system capabilities and personal preference, but well below crossover.
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Don’t use anyone’s “preset” house curve. As @LastButNotLeast indicated, every room is different and requires it own house curve. It’s mostly dependent on the size of the room. Check my signature for an article on the subject that includes directions for determining your room’s house curve.

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Don’t use anyone’s “preset” house curve. As @LastButNotLeast indicated, every room is different and requires it own house curve. It’s mostly dependent on the size of the room. Check my signature for an article on the subject that includes directions for determining your room’s house curve.

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I have already read your articles more than once, lots of great info to learn from. Thank you for taking the time and effort.

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Hi,

I made a separate topic not knowing this huge topic was here, looks like a lot of experts are here!

My situation is summarized as follows:

source: TV optical out (for streaming music, youtube, movies, ...)
DAC: optical to analog
preamp: currently Rotel RC 1070, analog in and out
power amps: lots of them, all balanced currently but might move to some unbalanced for the mids and highs on my speaker
speakers: pair of Infinity Renaissance 90 and a pair of passive subwoofers (2 x LAB12C and a 18" PR per cabinet)
sub crossover: I was going to use my old miniDSP 2x4 but after reading, I would replace it with the HD version

I am thinking of using the 2x4HD as the only preamp, so TV - 2x4HD - power amps - speakers and subs. I am also planning on bi-amping my infinity speakers, so use Y splitters after the 2x4HD. In attachment a schematic overview of what I would like to do.

I already received some answers in the other thread but I wonder if:
- It is a good idea to use the 2x4HD as a preamp or it makes sense to put the preamp still in the flow, which would introduce more DAC and ADC into the flow
- There is a way to put a volume knob on the 2x4HD?
- using splitters to bi-amp is a good way to go?
- There are other alternatives to the mini dsp which would do what I want, equalize the subs, crossover for subs and volume control? This within the 'miniDSP' product line but also other brands. Possibly combining some kit boards in a DIY housing. Would a Crown XTI-4002 for example be a good alternative, it has DSP for my subs and enough power to feed them, but I think the DSP in the 2x4HD is more powerfull? Or another power amp with DSP in? I have already a lot of power amps so would need to sell some in that case...

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Apologies if this has been asked before. I am trying to optimise my 3 subs using a miniDSP 2x4 HD, REW and MSO. The miniDSP website has a page which shows how to set up a DDRC-88A with REW and MSO to optimise subs and says the same instructions can be applied to set up using a 2x4 HD. One of the steps says you need to use a speaker as a timing reference on REW to perform this analysis. How would you connect a speaker to use as a timing reference? My HT speakers are pasive and run thru the AVR.
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Apologies if this has been asked before. I am trying to optimise my 3 subs using a miniDSP 2x4 HD, REW and MSO. The miniDSP website has a page which shows how to set up a DDRC-88A with REW and MSO to optimise subs and says the same instructions can be applied to set up using a 2x4 HD. One of the steps says you need to use a speaker as a timing reference on REW to perform this analysis. How would you connect a speaker to use as a timing reference? My HT speakers are pasive and run thru the AVR.
The REW acoustic timing reference doesn’t require anything other than a speaker already connected to your AVR. You can specify any speaker in your setup, other than a sub, to be the timing reference speaker. I choose a surround speaker, for example. REW them measures the time of arrival of the measurement impulses For other speakers in relation to the timing speaker. During a measurement session, don’t change the timing reference speaker—keep using the same speaker. And you can run a measurement sweep on the speaker you are using as the timing reference, and its timing offset will be zero (since it is the reference).
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The REW acoustic timing reference doesn’t require anything other than a speaker already connected to your AVR. You can specify any speaker in your setup, other than a sub, to be the timing reference speaker. I choose a surround speaker, for example. REW them measures the time of arrival of the measurement impulses For other speakers in relation to the timing speaker. During a measurement session, don’t change the timing reference speaker—keep using the same speaker. And you can run a measurement sweep on the speaker you are using as the timing reference, and its timing offset will be zero (since it is the reference).

How would you connect the system in that case? Computer to minDSP via usb and computer to AVR via HDMI? Then sub out to miniDSP input and connect subs to miniDSP output?
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How would you connect the system in that case? Computer to minDSP via usb and computer to AVR via HDMI? Then sub out to miniDSP input and connect subs to miniDSP output?
Correct. And make sure the 2x4HD is configured for Analog output, not USB output, in its plug-in. That seems to be a common mistake by 2x4HD owners trying to use REW.
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Finally taking the plunge to get into minidsp for my subs. Ordered Sunday night, didn't know shipped from Hong Kong. Somehow got here (San Diego) Wednesday morning. Ready to give this thing a try!
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Finally taking the plunge to get into minidsp for my subs. Ordered Sunday night, didn't know shipped from Hong Kong. Somehow got here (San Diego) Wednesday morning. Ready to give this thing a try!
Check the 2x4 guide linked in my sig as a start.
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I’m looking at a Behringer NX4 6000 to drive some VBSS with a MiniDSP 2x4 HD for the DSP.

I need to limit the power out of the amp to protect the woofers, is there a way to do that in the Mini DSP?
Can’t seem to find anything talking about voltage limiting.
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extend IR eye of minidsp 10x10HD

Hi,

I would like to put my minidsp 10x10 HD in the hallway, together with the amplifiers, to have a totally clean living room. I'm only stuck off course with getting the IR eye extended to my living room. There is a brick wall between my living room and the hallway.

Putting only the minidsp in the living room is not really a good solution as I will need to run 6 XLR cables to the hallway, instead of 1 toslink or SPDIF.

What could be a possible solution ? I've read about IR blaster but have no experience with them.

I also wonder if it would be possible to 'power on' my amplifiers automatically when I power on my minidsp. this would save me a trip to the hallway each time, because I'm lazy

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I connected my Marantz av7702MkII to a 4x10HD via balanced XLR cables. I left the output unchanged out 4v. The sub level is now very low. I went from -5 for the sub level to +12 to get the same level as pre-minidsp. Is this typical or am I missing something. I did try changing the output to 8v but it wouldn't work so I'm guessing my amp didn't like that high of a voltage.
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Hi first time here.. I have a pb12plus and wanted to buy another one for dual set up. Unfortunately its phaseout and its hard to find another one in my place, Philippines. On the FB Marketplace, someone is selling PSA XS30se (sealed).. i know mixing ported and seAled is not ideal and different driver size...

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I connected my Marantz av7702MkII to a 4x10HD via balanced XLR cables. I left the output unchanged out 4v. The sub level is now very low. I went from -5 for the sub level to +12 to get the same level as pre-minidsp. Is this typical or am I missing something. I did try changing the output to 8v but it wouldn't work so I'm guessing my amp didn't like that high of a voltage.
When you say the 8v output “wouldn’t work”, what exactly do you mean? No sound at all, or distorted sound? If you get no sound at all, that doesn’t sound right. One way to analyze what is happening is to use a digital multimeter with REW to measure output voltages. Measure the sub output directly from the AVR, and then the output from the 4x10HD with both 4v and 8v settings. Inexpensive DMM’s can be had for ~$30 and are a good addition to your audio toolkit. The 2x4 guide linked in my sig will walk you through how to measure the outputs if you are unfamiliar with the process. Once you understand the output differences, you should be able to resolve your issue.
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Thanks for taking the time to reply. With 8v I had no sound at all. I did notice I had 1 of 2 colocated subs hooked up incorrectly but even adding that back the mix I'm still quite a bit off. I also switched from using output 1 + 2 to an xlr splitter with just output 1 as I noticed that output 2 was giving me a lot of buzz/hum/noise. I re-ran audyssey (with minidsp output set to 6) and found if I put the AVR sub level at 0 (audyssey wants it at -10) I'm about at the same level. I will pick up a DMM and then check the output voltage as suggested to see what's going on.
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I am kind of new to mini dsp. i have the 2x4. I only connected my sub to it. I connected the sub input on the receiver to the input on the mini dsp and the output on the mini dsp to the subwoofer. I am getting no sound from the sub. without the mini dsp everything works fine. i made sure nothing was muted anybody know what the issue could be? Plus my measurement sweep from rew of just my sub before I connected the mini dsp doesnt look right to me. any advice I would greatly appreciate it.

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I am kind of new to mini dsp. i have the 2x4. I only connected my sub to it. I connected the sub input on the receiver to the input on the mini dsp and the output on the mini dsp to the subwoofer. I am getting no sound from the sub. without the mini dsp everything works fine. i made sure nothing was muted anybody know what the issue could be? Plus my measurement sweep from rew of just my sub before I connected the mini dsp doesnt look right to me. any advice I would greatly appreciate it.

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Which model 2x4, the balanced or unbalanced one? And which plug-in are you using?
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Which model 2x4, the balanced or unbalanced one? And which plug-in are you using?
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the plugin i am using minidsp-2.1 way crossover adv
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