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Oops, didn't realize there was a 4 channel 6000 and a 2 channel 6000.
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Oops, didn't realize there was a 4 channel 6000 and a 2 channel 6000.
I don't think hardly anyone uses it, it doesn't come with dsp. But that's the one that Not tested.

This seemed to be a good test.

http://forum.speakerplans.com/behrin...opic69202.html
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A well done test, but largely useless to anyone living in a 120V country.
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I don't think hardly anyone uses it, it doesn't come with dsp. But that's the one that Not tested.
He tested what someone sent him. If you want to see the 2 channel DSP model tested, send him one.
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Keep in mind I was testing with all channels driven. when I tested with only one, the power was higher. I need to setup a graphing system for my results. I also have results from testing only one channel. Basically the nu4-6000 has barely any burst capability, and it's around 60-63 percent efficient in the bass regions. The max draw that amp is capable of from my testing is 36a. Any more and it shuts down, so you can do the math there for max sustained output. Burst was slightly higher but only like 1db or so.

My test load is configurable for 2.2, 4.4, or 8.8 ohms.
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He tested what someone sent him. If you want to see the 2 channel DSP model tested, send him one.
I already helped with sending him the EP4000. That's the one I was interested in seeing results for. I'd like to see the cv-5000 tested too.
The inukes are interesting to read about but I couldn't imagine ever owning one. I'm happy with my heavy amps.



I really just wanted to point out that 2 things that weren't the same were being talked about as if they would definitely perform identically.

In my last post I was simply pointing out why you wouldn't have heard of the 4 channel inuke and why Not's testing may not apply to the majority of the 6000 users. It seems like 1 in 50 people bought that one.
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Has this had any additional testing that anyone has run across? I read the initial results of the test with Speakerpower's owner weren't terribly exciting. Behringer blamed it on a firmware bug as I recall, and then retest was similar.

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fwiw, i haven't seen anything.

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Any other updates on this?

I'd like to see the Behringer 12kdsp tested and also the CV-5000
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Any other updates on this?

I'd like to see the Behringer 12kdsp tested and also the CV-5000
I'm in that club as well. I believe it's still $100 cheaper to buy 2 inuke6kdsp than it is to buy one 12kdsp
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some folks want/need more power than the 6000 has per channel. the 6000 can't be bridged and is only rated for 4 ohms per side, so that kind of limits it for some applications.

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Got it. I was just pointing that fact out on a pure price basis.
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Has anyone tested one of these yet?
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Can't say that I've tested it but I run one pretty much daily. It makes my subs go boom boom boom.

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Can't say that I've tested it but I run one pretty much daily. It makes my subs go boom boom boom.

loan me your nu12000...I wanna see if its drives my LMS 5400s harder than my EPX 4000s....the behringer ratings say it shouldn't.....

3400 max @ 4 Ohms x 2 for the NU12000

My EPX is bridged mono rated at 4000 max....

I dont know the RMS numbers of the NU12000, but the "rated" RMS for my EPX is 3000....curious.....

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I would assume there wouldn't be much difference. other than having a second channel and the DSP. Output wise they should be close. Your EXP might even have the edge. I would think the 12k would be somewhere between 2200 to 2700 rms x2 at 4ohm judging by the other nukes.
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I'm thinking of trying a bridged pro-lite 3.0. Bet it delivers more at 4 ohms than a single channel of inuke 12000 at 4 and maybe 2 ohm. Bet that 2 pro-lites 3.0 would not shut down before a 12000 does.
I just can't find real measured reviews i can trust of a pro-lite 3.0 yet, bridged or otherwise.
I like my inuke 3000dsp though! Huge bang for buck.
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I'm thinking of trying a bridged pro-lite 3.0. Bet it delivers more at 4 ohms than a single channel of inuke 12000 at 4 and maybe 2 ohm. Bet that 2 pro-lites 3.0 would not shut down before a 12000 does.
I just can't find real measured reviews i can trust of a pro-lite 3.0 yet, bridged or otherwise.
I like my inuke 3000dsp though! Huge bang for buck.
That's a lot of assumptions about an amp with very similar architecture and lower rated output. Is there a reason you think it's that much better, or is it more of that tired "Behringer iNuke? More like Budgeter iPuke lolololol" smugness?
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I'm thinking of trying a bridged pro-lite 3.0. Bet it delivers more at 4 ohms than a single channel of inuke 12000 at 4 and maybe 2 ohm. Bet that 2 pro-lites 3.0 would not shut down before a 12000 does.
I just can't find real measured reviews i can trust of a pro-lite 3.0 yet, bridged or otherwise.
I like my inuke 3000dsp though! Huge bang for buck.
Bridged at 4ohm the crest might have a bit more power than each channel of the 12k at 4ohm. The 12k at 2ohm should be good for over 4000 watts RMS per channel. I don't think the crest can match that and the inuke would still have a second channel.

For my current application I would be hard pressed to shut the iNuke down. If you like the 3000dsp than you would like the 12k. It's basically the same amp just with a lot more power.
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There are quite a few of these up on ebay right now at $600 new

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Have people that bought these been pretty pleased with them? I know @stitch1 has one and his still works fine. He powers 4 SI 18HT with it.

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I believe they have the same power as the 6000 but stable into 2 ohms. I am not sure if they provided more power in 2 ohms.

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There are quite a few of these up on ebay right now at $600 new

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Have people that bought these been pretty pleased with them? I know @stitch1 has one and his still works fine. He powers 4 SI 18HT with it.
I know they haven't been listed on the Music Group (Tribe) website for well over a year. I don't know why.


Here's my opinion - look into something else if you want big power. Go with Crown, Crest, QSC, or other well-established pro-audio amp. I recently bought 3 QSC PL236 (Powerlight 2) amps used off eBay and they work well. Or go with a clone.


If you do decide to buy the Behringer 12000, make SURE it has a valid warranty and make certain you fill out and send in the warranty card. I've previously purchased 3 new Behringer Inuke amps, and have had to return two of them for warranty repair. I don't trust them at all. If you go this route, I wish you luck.


Let us know what you decide to go with,


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No clones. The half dozen people I know personally who bought clones — all of them failed. Some multiple clones failed.

I don’t know anyone personally with a failed Behringer inuke product out of dozens of locals and avsforum friends that own them, thus I’d much rather personally have a behringer product.


I had a CV5000 and a Crown XLS-50000, both excellent, but both tripped my 20amp dedicated breakers at full tilt. My iNukes don’t do that, and I have two iNuke DSP 6000's per 20amp dedicated circuit (they aren’t drawing as much power I’m sure, but they have adequate power for what I’m trying to do.)

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No clones. The half dozen people I know personally who bought clones — all of them failed. Some multiple clones failed.



I don’t know anyone personally with a failed Behringer inuke product.


I’ve seen a few failed inukes..... most of them from this site....


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No clones. The half dozen people I know personally who bought clones — all of them failed. Some multiple clones failed.

I don’t know anyone personally with a failed Behringer inuke product out of dozens of locals and avsforum friends that own them, thus I’d much rather personally have a behringer product.


I had a CV5000 and a Crown XLS-50000, both excellent, but both tripped my 20amp dedicated breakers at full tilt. My iNukes don’t do that, and I have two iNuke DSP 6000's per 20amp dedicated circuit (they aren’t drawing as much power I’m sure, but they have adequate power for what I’m trying to do.)
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I got two clones and two Bossobass amps. All clone amps in one way or another and have no problems. I also have two dedicated 30A outlets for my amps so no tripping either. Only problems I've ever had were with plate amps, which no matter the manufacturer I don't like, and the Speakerpower SP2-8000-HT rack amp which was a nightmare to deal with. Funny thing is I'll still try another one down the road once I settle on a new pre/pro just because of the sustained power numbers. Wish I hadn't sent it back and played with it some more.

I will say though a friend of mine bought the new NX6000D and that thing is nice looking AND quiet. I actually wouldn't mind owning one.
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I really believe the inuke amps are fine for less power hungry drivers like the um18 and the Si(no longer available). I never had problems with my clones either, the tripping was my 20 amp breaker, the clone wanted more. This only happened on FOTP and Lone Survivor at that time, every other scene was fine.
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There's a new sheriff in town! Inuke DSP 12000

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The manual reads that this thing accepts 250v in Europe and Japan, but it’s not clear if that’s a different model sold in those companies or if the amp comes with an auto switching power supply, much like a modern ATX Computer PSU.

https://media.music-group.com/media/...DSP_QSG_WW.pdf

I have 240V available to my equipment rack - because I stood up a small crypto mining farm in the last couple years.

Anyway you can tell if these 12000 watt amps would run 240 volt power on the particular ones we’d buy in the US?

I’m assuming with 240V input they’d be more capable than with 120V input. I could “upgrade” in place my four iNuke dsp 6000 amps to these iNuke DSP 12000 amps for probably less than $800 after selling my current amps if it was a worthwhile endeavor.

I currently have 8 UM18-22 wired at four ohm each. Each has its own channel of an iNuke dsp 6000. (Four amps/8 subs)

What do you think? My current amps are running on 120V. I can hit the peak limiter for sure on them i limit them to about 1550 watts per channel in the DSP to avoid power cycling the amps on continuous or heavy bass. Not sure if the iNuke 12000 would buy me much by the stated ratings. (3100 watts into 4 ohm vs 3400 watts into 4ohm which is immaterial as it relates to SPL). —— Unless the 240v input is an option and brings more real world headroom to the table.

The eBay listing description says 120V US but doesn’t mention if it autoswitches to 240V. Behringer manual specifies voltage per country.
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No clones. The half dozen people I know personally who bought clones — all of them failed. Some multiple clones failed.
Weird, I've seen the exact opposite problem.

I have 8 clones, all of them work, even driving into 2-ohms in many cases.
I had 2 EP4k's, 1 of them was DOA.
I had 2 XTi4k's, 1 died in use and both exhibited memory and LED/screen problems.

I've seen at least a dozen people say they've had inuke issues/failures on this site.
That said, I've also heard a dozen clone owners have issues on this site.

95% seem to be either DOA on startup or otherwise flawless for years, the other 5% were failure in-use for both.

I have noticed that all reported amplifiers tend to last MUCH longer if they were NEVER clipped (heavily/at-all...)

So I'm not sure what to think other than, S happens...

I do believe the failure rates were higher some 9 years ago when the clones first came out.
I think the success rates are much higher today.

I don't recall anyone ever saying their SpeakerPower died, being a much more expensive amp I would imagine there are less owners of them. You don't see many iTech or K10/20/X8 owners here either...
Most I would imagine are inuke owners (because they are cheapest, and readily available, with full warranty.)

There are probably many many that never bother to post about DOA's as they are talking directly with Parts Express to replace them no questions asked. So the failure rates could be fairly high and we would never truly know...
I bet if you called PE they'd be able to tell you a more accurate number of the whole population (if they desire to disclose such information, or if they track such stuff at all).
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I have owned 6 EP 2500s, 4 EP4000s, 2 sanway FP14k, one 10qK, 2 Inuke 6000s, and a speakerpower sp1 4000, all were good. I have had problems with higher end amps though, go figure.

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