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I can get baffles made however you want them. The only reason the current ones are the way they are is because that's what people seemed to want. Baffles aren't too hard to get changed, but flat packs require a substantial purchase, so it's best that we agree on things prior to getting 40-50 of them done.

If you want to rethink the baffle, or make 3 per speaker, let me know.

Was just curious as to why it was chosen I thought there was a specific reason. I thought it was odd the tweeter was low since people usually say put it at ear high that's all.

How do these speakers compare to the tempest?
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Lol ya
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Did you order them?

Yes and no.....I'm waiting on Erich to respond as I'm not buying complete kits as i jumped the gun about a month ago and bought the woofers and mids from PE.
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That's my fault Augmont redface.gif Erich was talking about splitting the kit up with PE like he did with the Cheap Thrills.

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Was just curious as to why it was chosen I thought there was a specific reason. I thought it was odd the tweeter was low since people usually say put it at ear high that's all.

How do these speakers compare to the tempest?

It's upside down in the photo. The reason for the woofers like that is performance.

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That's my fault Augmont redface.gif Erich was talking about splitting the kit up with PE like he did with the Cheap Thrills.

No way that's ur fault......i was unrealistic and wasn't patient to let this develop at its own natural pace. As long as i know I'm able to get the remaining parts for my build i am good.

I'll be building L/C/R using 10-99's and eventually two 10-96's later in the year.
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It's upside down in the photo. The reason for the woofers like that is performance.

So how would these compare to the tempests?
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I've never heard the tempests. On paper the tempests have directivity control a little lower, and possibly slightly more bass extension. The 1099 has more output capability and the advantage of a separate midrange band and two woofers for vertical directivity. Also narrower for form factor, but taller.

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I've never heard the tempests. On paper the tempests have directivity control a little lower, and possibly slightly more bass extension. The 1099 has more output capability and the advantage of a separate midrange band and two woofers for vertical directivity. Also narrower for form factor, but taller.

But if you are crossing over to a sub at 80hz, the bass extension really doesn't mean too much.
I think the big question here is how the mid-range compares between the two. How well do they do with voice reproduction.
I don't know if anyone has heard both speakers and can say from experience.
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Ya I'm not sure anyone can say based on experience. It's just a spec sheet game right now. I would expect the 1099 to have cleaner mids based on my subjective listening because that's something that I really enjoyed on this speaker. It's what gave this speaker wow factor. That and the shear output capability.
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How well do they do with voice reproduction.
 

 

I'm banking/hoping this is where the 10-99's shine.  Although my infiniti primus 360's were a big upgrade from my previous set, i'm hoping these will have even a bigger upgrade perception, especially my center.  I'm very looking forward to the waveguides as well.  I was ecstatic with when i found Tux's build with mids and waveguides.  

 

Curious to know if Erich has had a chance to demo these yet.

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Cant wait to hear all the opinions smile.gif has me thinking Tempest/1099 LCR future build.
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Ill probably start a new thread for this question but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway. I ordered the 1099 center and I have corscalas for my LR. My question is what to use for surrounds? Would the 1097 be good for surrounds? Is there a way to design a surround using this waveguide, mids, and woofer in a wedge surround like the klipsch thx ultras? Are wedge speakers a dumb idea? Like I said I figured I would throw it out.
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How about the TM. Probably called the Pure. Not listed yet.

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My question is what to use for surrounds? Would the 1097 be good for surrounds?

My original thought was using 10-97's for surrounds in the future in a larger open family room setup. I wonder how large of a family room would benenfit using them. I plan and have asked Erich on purchasing 2 extra waveguides and CD's. The thought of a TM design for my current setup would be ideal then if and when we move into a larger house with a larger family room in the near future i can convert them into 10-97's.

Tux.....if you design i will make them as u know i have no skill or knowledge for modeling and designing speakers.
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The TM is designed and done.

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Would the TM design be setup the same as in the 1099's? Why do some speaker companies use a wedge for surrounds? http://images.furnituredealer.net/Img/products/Klipsch/color/THX%20Ultra2_KS-525-THX-m.jpg
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It could be built wedge like, but not a dipole like that. The added cost and complexity of a speaker like that doesn't make sense to me. They do it for a more diffuse sound, but I've never been to thrilled.

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so
tux10-99 = WTMMW (from post 1)
tux10-96= TMMW (from post 1)
tux10-97 = TW?
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The 1097 is just a mix up I think. I think I accidentally called it that a few times. The TM is just the new version of the Fusion Pure.
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Cant wait to hear all the opinions smile.gif has me thinking Tempest/1099 LCR future build.

On pure aesthetics alone this new build has me convinced. It's funny too, because I had wanted to build the tempest but didn't like that it wasn't floorstanding. A person in the thread goes "Just wait there will soon be a build you want!". I didn't think it'd be coming so soon.

By any chance OP think we could get a picture of how the speaker looks with
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Since you built everything separate I'm just curious. I guess everyone is pretty much decided though that the mids/tweeter will be in the middle?

Edit: Jesus I have some saving to do now frown.gif. Started off wanting to build the Alchs, but after finding a B&W Set of speakers for bookshelf I really just need two good floorstanding (I just like floorstanding so much!) speakerse and now this is it. Finally here... and expensive lol.
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Hey Tential. MTWW doesn't actually work. I mean, you could physically do it, but the distance to the mids would be to much.

When I first saw Erich's price of $370 I emailed him to make sure he didnt make a mistake. There's a lot there for the money. I would have thought over $400 plus shipping. The $370 includes shipping.

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Hey Tential. MTWW doesn't actually work. I mean, you could physically do it, but the distance to the mids would be to much.

When I first saw Erich's price of $370 I emailed him to make sure he didnt make a mistake. There's a lot there for the money. I would have thought over $400 plus shipping. The $370 includes shipping.

KK. Ya, in that case I personally like the TMWW build(If Tweeters are supposed to be at ear level then this build brings them as close to ear level as possible without having to invest in risers) the best but even with how it's configured right now at $370 I was really surprised. This is the basic build I had been looking for as the Kliipsch RF7s were the original speaker I wanted. For 1k+ each though it was so much cash so I wanted to go the DIY route. The tempests were the closest but they seemed be just be oversized bookshelfs. Nice speakers, but not really the config I wanted. This is perfect and I hope that this finish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7WEF-eDoWM comes out nice on them. That's what I want to try anyway. When I saw the price I actually just thought "I really don't understand why you don't just make a professional company out of this". Just gotta save a little more for them but I know if I build the Karma or Fusion 8, I'm just going to go "What if....."
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I noticed these were pulled from the diy sound group site.

A couple questions though:

1) Do the crossover parts come with a printed circuit board like the other fusion models?
2) Are there plans for a flat pack? If so any idea on timing?
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I noticed these were pulled from the diy sound group site.

Dang, I wonder what's up. I'd like to order a pair myself when I'm in Minessota this spring smile.gif
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1) Do the crossover parts come with a printed circuit board like the other fusion models?

If it helps, I plan to do up a tutorial on assembling the XO, but I've been a bit tied up to do it. Of course, preassembled XOers would be even easier.

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Dang, I wonder what's up. I'd like to order a pair myself when I'm in Minessota this spring smile.gif
If it helps, I plan to do up a tutorial on assembling the XO, but I've been a bit tied up to do it. Of course, preassembled XOers would be even easier.

Finished speaker design courtesy of tux...biggrin.gif
Tutorial on cross-over assembly courtesy of tux...biggrin.gif
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Out of stock????...eek.gif
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I noticed these were pulled from the diy sound group site.

Dang, I wonder what's up. I'd like to order a pair myself when I'm in Minessota this spring smile.gif
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1) Do the crossover parts come with a printed circuit board like the other fusion models?

If it helps, I plan to do up a tutorial on assembling the XO, but I've been a bit tied up to do it. Of course, preassembled XOers would be even easier.


Yes that would help. Thanks tux.
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