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Is there a Marty Cube design here using 3 pcs 4" flared ports? What would be the tuning freq and port length?

I have seen a photo on the web with a gloss cabinet finish. It looked exactly like a PB16 Ultra.
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Is there a Marty Cube design here using 3 pcs 4" flared ports? What would be the tuning freq and port length?

I have seen a photo on the web with a gloss cabinet finish. It looked exactly like a PB16 Ultra.
The first sentence in the first post of this thread has already answered your question.

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Is there a Marty Cube design here using 3 pcs 4" flared ports? What would be the tuning freq and port length?

I have seen a photo on the web with a gloss cabinet finish. It looked exactly like a PB16 Ultra.

Closer to a mini-marty in volume and tune than a marty cube, but you can buy this kit (or copy the dimensions):
https://www.diysoundgroup.com/flat-p...ubwoofers.html

You can also modify the marty cube design with round ports. It will require modeling to set port tune.

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The first sentence in the first post of this thread has already answered your question.
My apologies for not reading the 1st post as I was too busy digging the pages trying to find a build.

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Closer to a mini-marty in volume and tune than a marty cube, but you can buy this kit (or copy the dimensions):
https://www.diysoundgroup.com/flat-p...ubwoofers.html

You can also modify the marty cube design with round ports. It will require modeling to set port tune.

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This is the PB16 look-a-like sub I saw on Google which uses an UM18-22.

Credit to the owner of the sub.
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This is the PB16 look-a-like sub I saw in Google which uses an UM18-22.

Credit to the owner of the sub.

Sure looks like the DIYSG box I posted.

Someone did a very nice job on the finish.

EDIT: Here’s a build of that enclosure with a UM18. Black stain instead of piano gloss black.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...18k-build.html

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Sure looks like the DIYSG box I posted.

Someone did a very nice job on the finish.

EDIT: Here’s a build of that enclosure with a UM18. Black stain instead of piano gloss black.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...18k-build.html

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Thanks for the link Chris.

The cabinet is slightly larger than a Marty Cube but tuned to 18hz. I wonder what's the length of the tubes. I did not see an elbow included, hence the ports are just straight.
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My apologies for not reading the 1st post as I was too busy digging the pages trying to find a build.
No apology necessary. I can be a bit of a purist at times.

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Thanks for the link Chris.

The cabinet is slightly larger than a Marty Cube but tuned to 18hz. I wonder what's the length of the tubes. I did not see an elbow included, hence the ports are just straight.

I’m not sure exact length. However, I know wall boundary interaction is used to lower tune in that enclosure. So my guess would be ending 2” from the rear wall. This interaction isn’t model-able by any of the standard programs, so more of a try-it-and-measure design.

I know Erich has stated that the precision ports are extended past the standard length.

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Looking through the GSG site...I was considering going with two full Martys with UM18s, but looking at the "performance comparison" I'm wondering if I should go with 4 Marty Cubes with PA460s. Any thoughts? This will be for a smallish (~16x16x8) room.
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I am trying to decide between the Mini Marty and the Marty Cube (flatpacks from GSG). I have taken input from GSG but I'm still on the fence between the two (analysis paralysis for the last couple weeks).

If I do not care for frequencies below 20 Hz, would I be losing much going with the cube. I know there is a quantitative aspect to my question (~2 dbs down at 20 Hz - with favor towards the Mini), but I would appreciate some qualitative input as well. My sole reason to go with the cube over the Mini is aesthetics, as the footprint is identical between the two, but I can accommodate the Mini (just would rather not).

* Listening Split = 80% HT / 20% Music
* Driver = UM-18 (I understand the Xmax will not be fully utilized in the Mini and the 460 would be a better suit for the cube/music)

Also - Could someone share some frequency response plots comparing the Mini and Cube with a UM-18 if possible. I know there are some plots out there but for some reason the images are not visible to me.
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I posted my in room post EQ results of 2 Marty Cubes with UM-18's. Don't know if that helps. FWIW I love them. Depending on what you have now I'm guessing that any of the combinations will be a great upgrade.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...l#post59337166
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This may be an odd question (and change of topic) but I have been looking at a new home and may lose my dedicated theater space. WAF will play an extreme roll in the new build. Has anyone ever mounted 4 martys in a 12' high ceiling? Great room/floor plan attached.
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Doug ( @d_c ) put 2 Ghorns in his ceiling. Sadly most of the pics are gone: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...orn-build.html

If you have measured or simmed at the intended positions and have favorable results there shouldn't be a problem.

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Doug ( @d_c ) put 2 Ghorns in his ceiling. Sadly most of the pics are gone: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...orn-build.html

If you have measured or simmed at the intended positions and have favorable results there shouldn't be a problem.
I have not simulated... all I have is a floor plan, but the idea I had was 1 per corner of the room to reduce modes... but technically that is the corners of the listening area because it is an open floor plan. I was hoping I could dsp and rew the results to a reasonable response. I could put 2 in the ceiling in back and two floor standing up front, but that has lower WAF.

Thanks for responding, I will check the other thread out!
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Doug ( @d_c ) put 2 Ghorns in his ceiling. Sadly most of the pics are gone: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-d...orn-build.html



If you have measured or simmed at the intended positions and have favorable results there shouldn't be a problem.
Here's a link to the Wayback Machine where you can still see the pics.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180115...orn-build.html

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Here's a link to the Wayback Machine where you can still see the pics.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180115...orn-build.html
Thanks! Unfortunately there are only pics on pages 1 & 2 (that I can see anyway, only went through pg. 6). Page 3 is missing entirely, which is where I believe the real meat of getting those beasts into place was. Bummer...

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With two UM18 Full Martys hooked up to an nx6000d, would I be using the stereo or dual settings? I can't seem to find the answer in the manual, I'm presuming the only difference is that Stereo applies the same EQ settings to both whereas the Dual setting allows you to apply them independently to each subwoofer?
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With two UM18 Full Martys hooked up to an nx6000d, would I be using the stereo or dual settings? I can't seem to find the answer in the manual, I'm presuming the only difference is that Stereo applies the same EQ settings to both whereas the Dual setting allows you to apply them independently to each subwoofer?
Stereo would be mostly used for non-subwoofers. LFE is mono (I'm assuming you're using these for HT).

If you have an input to both A and B sides of the nx6k you can use dual mono. If only one input you would use one of the Biamp modes (if using input A, biamp-1, B, biamp-2).

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Would it be possible to power a Um 18-22 in a Full Marty and 3 VBSS off a NX4 6000 with a MiniDSP 2x4HD?
I am looking to run a sub per channel so I can apply DSP to each.
After ready up on the UM 18 I’m thinking the single channel will not be enough for it.

Backup would be a VBSS pair (front two) on a single channel and two channels going to the UM 18.

If there is a more economical way to do it I’m open to ideas.

Thanks!
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Carpet spikes

Guys, I'm getting ready to receive my Devastator packs. I'm wondering what kind of carpet spikes you use? I'm thinking 4 of these per sub. Any other suggestions? Thanks a lot!


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Guys, I'm getting ready to receive my Devastator packs. I'm wondering what kind of carpet spikes you use? I'm thinking 4 of these per sub. Any other suggestions? Thanks a lot!


https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-...E3WFF015Y6BZDZ

I don’t think anyone uses spikes on Devastators. They are already a major challenge to move based on size and weight, spikes would make it nearly impossible without two people.

I use rubber feet on my cabs, many people just let them sit directly on the carpet with no feet.

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Guys, I'm getting ready to receive my Devastator packs. I'm wondering what kind of carpet spikes you use? I'm thinking 4 of these per sub. Any other suggestions? Thanks a lot!


https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-...E3WFF015Y6BZDZ
Spikes on either a full marty (which this thread is intended for) or a devastator are gonna end up being glorified floor nails. Both subs are heavy. Do your floor a favor and spare the spikes. I used 1" rubber 'isolation' feet that just stick on the bottom of one of mine. The other just sits right on the ground.

Leave the speaker spike myth go - it's time =)
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spikes may not be necessary for heavy subs, but for "regular" speakers, it's FAR from being a myth. i speak from experience, not from what i read on forums.

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Spikes on either a full marty (which this thread is intended for) or a devastator are gonna end up being glorified floor nails. Both subs are heavy. Do your floor a favor and spare the spikes. I used 1" rubber 'isolation' feet that just stick on the bottom of one of mine. The other just sits right on the ground.

Leave the speaker spike myth go - it's time =)
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spikes may not be necessary for heavy subs, but for "regular" speakers, it's FAR from being a myth. i speak from experience, not from what i read on forums.

ymmv,

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I think the subject of actually blind tests are outside of this thread.

I have no idea what 'reading on forums' has to do with it. It seems we're both equally reading and participating on forums. Seems your perception of other posters on forums may be speaking loudly there.
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i'm not referring to blind tests. it's excruciatingly difficult to perform blind tests, and it's been demonstrated that they can induce as many errors as they attempt to eliminate. (personally, i have been successful blind-testing fm tuners; at one time i had a set-up that was 100% fool-proof, but it's beyond the purview of this discussion. all i can add is that it's near impossible for an accurate blind test of spiked vs non-spiked speakers.)

and my perception of other posters on other forums has nothing to do with this. and, it's obvious that what i have said is just another opinion posted on a forum - duh!

my only point is this - don't think it's a myth that speaker spikes don't do anything; try it yourself.

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I think the subject of actually blind tests are outside of this thread.

I have no idea what 'reading on forums' has to do with it. It seems we're both equally reading and participating on forums. Seems your perception of other posters on forums may be speaking loudly there.
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my only point is this - don't think it's a myth that speaker spikes don't do anything; try it yourself.

ymmv,

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Well, in this case they are going to be securing the top layer of your flooring to your subfloor in a weeks time.

As far as my opinion on speakers, they will at least burn a hole in your wallet and put divots in your floor based off of our humble test we did years ago. My dad has been on that hype train since they were a thing. I'm still trying to get him off of it as his nice floors are turning into swiss cheese; even after him and his brother went through about 15 test cases while I tried to find any correlation in their results. Respectfully, blind tests can be difficult, but they aren't impossible by any means, especially in this case. Nearly every industry has been using proper (and cost effective) designed blind tests to guide important decisions for ages, and for good reasons. I've helped design several throughout my career... All it takes in this example is a curtain, a friend that can flip a coin, a few CDs, a roll of tape to mark a location on the ground, a book to rise the speaker up to the correct height, and a small wrench or screw driver to remove the spikes off of one of the speakers. A few decent beers should be considered mandatory, as well.

I'm not gonna write a scientific journal on the results, but they were unusually clear in my case.
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hey - if you tried it and didn't experience any differences, that's cool! there's things i've tried that get raves that i think are worthless, too. but the main point is to try it for yourself.

oh, and i disagree about the beer stuff. sober is the only way to accurately evaluate audio gear, imo.

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Well, in this case they are going to be securing the top layer of your flooring to your subfloor in a weeks time.

As far as my opinion on speakers, they will at least burn a hole in your wallet and put divots in your floor based off of our humble test we did years ago. My dad has been on that hype train since they were a thing. I'm still trying to get him off of it as his nice floors are turning into swiss cheese; even after him and his brother went through about 15 test cases while I tried to find any correlation in their results. Respectfully, blind tests can be difficult, but they aren't impossible by any means, especially in this case. Nearly every industry has been using proper (and cost effective) designed blind tests to guide important decisions for ages, and for good reasons. I've helped design several throughout my career... All it takes in this example is a curtain, a friend that can flip a coin, a few CDs, a roll of tape to mark a location on the ground, a book to rise the speaker up to the correct height, and a small wrench or screw driver to remove the spikes off of one of the speakers. A few decent beers should be considered mandatory, as well.

I'm not gonna write a scientific journal on the results, but they were unusually clear in my case.
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oh, and i disagree about the beer stuff. sober is the only way to accurately evaluate audio gear, imo
I wasn't evaluating the audio gear - just seeing if any points line up
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